| Posted by: bart at October 9, 2003, 7:24 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by swin:
The worst is that they totally hide the bonus system until you sign up and deposit and statements like this:
Deposit $200 50% Bonus You'll get $100 FREE!
is not close to what they are offering.
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There is a new offer!!!!!!!!! It's at Got2bet and here is the link:
http://www.got2bet.com/phpBB2/viewt...er=asc&start=15
The offer is that is he doesn't like having to play $850,000 he can just give the winnings from his royal flush back and go away. How is that for fair and honorable dealing?
Unbelievable.
bart
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 6, 2003, 10:18 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
There isn't any censorship going on. There is, however, a complaint that the relevance is insignificant - at least as far as I am concerned.
My point is I could say something like "Caruso is biased" in every single thread and it would be considered relevant by your standards.
Now I'm not saying you are biased - that was just an example - but it is ery similar to what Dirk did with those threads. In my book, however, that kind of a post is irrelevant.
Bart -
Actually, I agree with you. But in this case perhaps the "prominence" of the thread might call attention to it so that it can be resolved - not the way I'd do it, but no discounting the fact that it works.
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| Posted by: bart at October 6, 2003, 10:11 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
You can argue with me in any thread where you have something to say relevant to the subject matter.
No comments should be censored because they don't suit a particular point of iew - this is the internet, not Stalin's Russia. If a poster feels something relevant to some aspect of the thread is comment-worthy, he should comment. If that's absolutely every thread relating to a given software type - so be it. More information spread = more power to the players.
Relevance is a difficult issue but I hope the thread doesn't move to preifery issues like TG's report. I think the spotlight should remain on Aztec and their use of hidden bonus terms.
The question for this thread is: Is there any movement on Aztec who is holding players deposits because of hidden bonus wagering requirements that evidently only they understand?
bart
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| Posted by: caruso at October 6, 2003, 9:53 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
You can argue with me in any thread where you have something to say relevant to the subject matter.
No comments should be censored because they don't suit a particular point of iew - this is the internet, not Stalin's Russia. If a poster feels something relevant to some aspect of the thread is comment-worthy, he should comment. If that's absolutely every thread relating to a given software type - so be it. More information spread = more power to the players.
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| Posted by: swin at October 5, 2003, 6:52 pm | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
We don't like this bonus system but the system itself is not to be blamed: everyone can choose to accept it or not.
The worst is that they totally hide the bonus system until you sign up and deposit and statements like this:
Deposit $200 50% Bonus You'll get $100 FREE!
is not close to what they are offering.
[This message has been edited by swin (edited 10-05-2003).]
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 5, 2003, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
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G2B - the difference is that Dirk doesn't have an undisclosed agenda. The casino / spammer does. A open agenda is a different matter.
Someone who spams a casino openly has an undisclosed agenda?
Regardless of that unusual statement, having ANY agenda at all does not give one the right to open up a number of threads and repeat the message unless there is a reasonable amount of relevance to the thread.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 5, 2003, 12:22 pm | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by swin:If you hit 80K, you can still get the a $250 transferred to you REAL account by wagering the 80K earned.
A $250 transfer isn't much consolation when you're looking at 80K knowing it's not "real" money.
High-variance games are going to be hugely reduced in alue by this system. Any VP, any slot. Effectively, the jackpot hands disappear from the paytable, because the large wins they produce can never be cashed. Far be it from me to suggest that this might have been one of the reasons for implementing the system in the first place.
G2B - the difference is that Dirk doesn't have an undisclosed agenda. The casino / spammer does. A open agenda is a different matter.
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| Posted by: swin at October 5, 2003, 8:20 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
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Be a bitch if a hit an 80K royal, wouldn't it? needless to say, I binned the email.
Scam, scam, scam.[/B]
If you hit 80K, you can still get the a $250 transferred to you REAL account by wagering the 80K earned.
That's $250 but not $100. So all the casinos out there please change the bonus terms to
Deposit $50 500% Bonus You'll get $250 FREE!
Deposit $100 250% Bonus You'll get $250 FREE!
Deposit $200 125% Bonus You'll get $250 FREE!
How generous the bonus is!
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 5, 2003, 6:43 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Not going to argue about the bonus system - it definitely needs to be revamped.
And while I believe Dirk is trying to be helpful, irtually the same post in 5-6 threads and no relevant information isn't going to help.
As strange as it seems - it's almost the same thing as a spammer coming in and talking about his casino LMAO. But I think we can give Dirk the benefit of the doubt.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 5, 2003, 6:32 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
He's just speaking up for the players. There ain't so many as do.
Bear in mind that with this "bonus system", the transferrable amount is capped. I don't know the exact ration for each situation, but I spoke to a Music Hall CSR yesterday regarding an Email I got for a $100 bonus. He told me that the max. transferrable amount would be $250.
Be a bitch if a hit an 80K royal, wouldn't it? needless to say, I binned the email.
Scam, scam, scam.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 4, 2003, 11:01 pm | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Geez, Dirk, hijacking every thread which even breathes mention of MGS is not going to help your cause - or Truegambler's either, for that matter.
You know as well as everyone else that the data still lacks proper alidation.
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| Posted by: swin at October 4, 2003, 10:10 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Hip Hop:
[B]I beleive this certainly does qualify as a scam. If you look at the terms and conditions for the 50% bonus there is only one mention of any bonus account with no explanation about playing requirements to free up the bonus funds. I do believe the line reading, "Your Play on most Games require a minimum wagered amount of 10 times your initial deposit plus 10 times on funds transferred from the Bonus account." was added only after this issue came to the attention of these message boards.
[B]
It's so good compared to UK Casino Club where it doesn't mentioned about bonus account at all, even now. You will receive the bonus account login and password when you ask for the so-called bonus or 2 days later after your deposit. The casino does not deserve the name reputable casino as listed in Casinomeister.
The promotion page of UK casino Club reads:
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| Posted by: Hip Hop at October 3, 2003, 9:06 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
I beleive this certainly does qualify as a scam. If you look at the terms and conditions for the 50% bonus there is only one mention of any bonus account with no explanation about playing requirements to free up the bonus funds. I do believe the line reading, "Your Play on most Games require a minimum wagered amount of 10 times your initial deposit plus 10 times on funds transferred from the Bonus account." was added only after this issue came to the attention of these message boards. I do not know this for certain as I did not save the terms page but that's what I think. When a casino purposefully hides important information to increase the number of deposits it receives from hapless customers it is involved in a scam. Even when asked directly the casino chat rep would not disclose the amount of play required to free up the bonus account funds for transfer. I have determined, however, that a rate of about $3.50 per $1000 of play can be transfered.
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| Posted by: zrapture at October 3, 2003, 8:30 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
The Microgaming casinos that are using this bonus really have to re-think this system. While it seems like a good idea at first it really isn't all that practical.
I know someone who hit a royal using this system before there were any WR at all. At first she wasn't happy because she couldn't withdraw any of her winnings. When she realized she had to wager over 80k to get it all converted and didn't have any other options I told her to try out their autoplay which she did and was able to increase her winnings by a bunch since the transfer rate was better then the House Advantage.
So it is sort of damned if you do , damned if you don't for the casinos. If they lossen the terms and transfer rate they will get killed. If they keep it like they have it know, they will have many unhappy customers who are pissed they can't get their winnings without 850 hours of play.
Point being..
-Lose this bonus system
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 3, 2003, 8:02 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a scam, Bart.
Poorly thought out, definitely. Plus the operator's IPs were inadvertently blocked because of unknown high-speed accesses, so they were not able to iew the posts.
Now that this has been rectified, I expect that this issue will be resolved shortly.
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| Posted by: bart at October 3, 2003, 7:41 am | | Topic: Aztec Riches & Challenge Bonus Terms - more than $850,000 Forum: Winner Online |
The terms of Aztec Riches don't disclose their wagering requirements. The 10 times bonus and deposit is only after you get the money out of what they call the transfer account. That can be a lot especially since winnings also go to the transfer account.
At Got2Bet there is a complaint form a player that found out he would have to play over 850,000 to get his "winnings" out of the "transfer account".
Spearmaster is trying to help. He said of the bonus terms:
"In my opinion, the way it is now is impossible to justify or even comprehend."
It is just a scam to keep players winnings. Players.... you have been warned.
Here is the link to Got2bet:
http://www.got2bet.com/phpBB2/viewt...er=asc&start=15
bart
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