| Posted by: Jagwars at October 21, 2003, 9:40 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
I wonder how many others who never post play at "bad" casinos with KX's same reasoning.
Would there be any point in doing so if one didn't post about it?
Alot of us gamblers/drinkers have this problem but you know, we don't have to. When you shake off all the crap and stop the endless searching you'll find what you been looking for all along or you can keep fighting till your gone.
There are alot of people out there looking to help freely and unconditionally, more then most reading this could possibly imagine. All one has to do is ask.
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| Posted by: KX at October 21, 2003, 1:32 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Strange. I e-mailed them again but never got any responses. Today they paid me though. I never made any cashin and my account is still locked (which means I can not play the sticky part of the bonus).
Surprised they didn't write me a polite e-mail in an effort to buy me over after actually paying. Wonder if it's on the way?
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at October 17, 2003, 6:26 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Have you been emailing him back asking for a reply? I would keep trying. The fact that he was interested to help in the first place shows there's a tiny bit of hope, so don't give up. Good luck.
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:
Btw; To cheer Wave and Caruso up a little I can inform you that John aka "I will look into this ASAP" hasn't sent any more e-mail... So I guess you guys can bottle up the champagne now and celebrate Prism getting the $ you so much wanted them to have.
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| Posted by: jinnia at October 16, 2003, 3:40 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
KX .. what I'm checking into may not pan out. But hang on for a while longer and if it does look promising, I'll leave message on how to contact me. Virtual/Prism may or may not be off the hooks yet.
It's iffy right now.
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| Posted by: KX at October 14, 2003, 3:00 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Btw; To cheer Wave and Caruso up a little I can inform you that John aka "I will look into this ASAP" hasn't sent any more e-mail... So I guess you guys can bottle up the champagne now and celebrate Prism getting the $ you so much wanted them to have.
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| Posted by: Wave at October 14, 2003, 1:06 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:
For gods sake, I even cancelled my credit card before contacting them...
Why do you have to cancel your cc? There are still quite a number of thieving casinos out there that you can take profits from. Are you not going to continue to support them? Ughh, my bad, yes you have more than 1 cc and you can deposit other than cc. haha.
On the other hand, I now report the fact that my friend who once played Prism 2x got paid without problem. Despite someone'd been stolen there, it's a logical conclusion that not everyone plays there will be stolen. I am just being truthful and stating my friend's experience. Note, how truthful I really am!
[This message has been edited by Wave (edited 10-14-2003).]
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| Posted by: zrapture at October 12, 2003, 1:03 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
"All online players should stand together and TAKE money from places like Casino Bar, while giving money (that is playing wo bonuses) to the good places. If players like me stop playing places like Casino Bar they will increase their profits and start up new casinos, maybe thatīs what you want?
A business losing money wonīt stay for long, the more ppl abusing places like Casino Bar the faster we get rid of them.
Maybe you are just talking from your own experience. Being a loser you should of course not support a casino like Casino Bar. Take money, donīt give them... "
KX, You have had this theory for a long time now about the rogue casinos you continue to support. So it's been over a year now and there have been some casinos that have gone under.
How many of those casinos you support gone under??
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| Posted by: KX at October 12, 2003, 12:40 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Cheating software is definetely on the top of my list... Nothing is worse that that. Starting a casino with the sole purpose to cheat the players.
This "Wave" character is pretty funny. Even though "Caruso" is pretty scary in the sense that he applies all his own evil to other posters, he does contribute a little on his own once in a while. Btw, saying that sharing the truth about ones experiences is worse than being a robbing casino must be a new low point even for this shady character. "Wave" on the other hand has stated himself that his sole purpose on the board is to discredit me. Poor fellow, talk about not having a life. He's never told me what made him hate me so much in the first place, I'm still pretty curious. It's pretty exciting though to have your own maniac following you around
I've stated over and over my opinion in the matter so I'm not going to respond to the accusations being repeated over and over again. The hypocrazy certain members ex... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at October 12, 2003, 9:36 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Re-reading your posts I think you have a good understanding of online gambling. Overall, I think our assessments are quite similar and the differences rather slight. Perhaps I get more annoyed with non-payment of winnings because of the wasted expending of time to resolve the matter, rather than just cheating software which when you lose you're done. When you lose winnings (ie, have them stolen) it just stays with you so much longer and is so much more irritating.
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| Posted by: mecsrc at October 12, 2003, 7:56 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by Gamblegirl:
(Cheating software is well down the
list, probably nearer to slow payment.)
Cheating software is at the top of my list.
Since it's the great unknown though, I guess
you either believe or you don't believe. I'm a rather firm atheist on this score & my biggest online mistakes have been when I forgot this belief.
You can try your hardest to make online gambling respectable but I wonder if there is any way other than empirical experience to judge the fairness of software. How does it get regulated?
I respect and enjoy the "online gambling community" I see on this board. I would just have one request: Noone should be allowed to repeat themselves under pain of having their memberships suspended and all insults should show a little intelligence and creativity.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 12, 2003, 6:18 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Okay i must be an idiot to want to see every player get paid.
I also want every casino or webmaster who is rightfully due to get thiers too.
I personally feel no need to laugh at KX over this as the guy knows the score judging by the thread title.
In essence the thread title says it all.
"finally ripped me"
No i am not happy KX won money from a firm that prolly stole it from a player either directly or by a player losing there who is likely to not get paid if s/he wins..
That puts me against KX but i will not argue with him about it.
KX strikes me as one who is not swayed by an arguement, in fact quite the opposite.
KX may though concede if it is explained rather than shot in his face through a double barrelled keyboard(even if he does half deserve it).
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| Posted by: Wave at October 12, 2003, 5:50 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Virtual/Prism,
Don't be foolish wanting to pay kx in order to save your already poor reputation. Nobody will trust you anyhow. And kx won't patronize you anymore anyway, cos he personally get burnt this time. Other well informed players won't either. Why not simply keep as much deposit as possible to prolong your withering life?
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| Posted by: Wave at October 12, 2003, 5:26 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
kx- Glad to know you got robbed. I do hope you'll never get paid or else there's no justice! I give credit to Prism not paying you. This is what I call equality. You have today kx, hahaha!
gamblinboi & caruso etc. are some of the posters in whom I can see senses & conscience. As for the rest of the supporters, they just lack moral & clues.
Hope also that kx you will be stolen by all the thieving casinos that had stolen other players to have paid you (that's all you cared). Remember to tell us then (like this time). hahahaha!
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| Posted by: caruso at October 12, 2003, 4:58 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
If I "disrespect" or "harass" you, it's because of your lamentable justification of reporting payment after payment from Virtual as "reporting the facts". Reporting the facts indeed you are, but it goes far beyond that. For every "fact" you "report", Virtual said, thank you ery much, and scammed a couple of hundred more deposits. While this doesn't apply to ME, it certainly will to other, much less experienced members of the studio audience. Of course people listen to you - you're a long time poster. I may not, and may "harrass" and "disrespect" you, but I well appreciate that others DO listen.
You can bleat "lier" and "twister" in defence on my arguments as much as you like. Nothing is false, or "twisted" in the following: by stating publically that crooks have paid you, you are encouraging less experienced players to play with, and be cheated by, those crooks. If you absolutely MUST patronize c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at October 11, 2003, 3:13 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
@mecsrc,
To really understand this you have to first understand how reviled Virtual is among the online community. The worst "sin", if I can use that word, is stealing deposits. Thankfully, that is rare, almost unheard of. Next comes stealing winnings. To bonus hunters, this is the cardinal sin and where the line gets drawn. (Cheating software is well down the list, probably nearer to slow payment.) This is the rather perverse world of online gambling where degrees of malfeasance are not only expected but tolerated part-and-parcel with gambling online --within acceptable limits.
When a player crows about getting paid from places which have stolen money from others it obviously rankles the larger community. The Robin Hood analogy made is childish. There aren't any heroes or saints in this little enterprise.
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| Posted by: KX at October 11, 2003, 9:25 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
mecsrc; Thanks for the support. And a big amen to all your message, you really take the words out of my mouth.
joeyl; OK, atleast now I know where u stand. We agree to disagree
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 11, 2003, 6:17 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
KX, i agree you should get paid but to say the best way to shut a casino is to play there and win is incorrect imo.
You won & got paid before they pulled the inevitable skullduggery, others may not be so lucky.
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| Posted by: mecsrc at October 11, 2003, 6:09 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
I love the way people can endlessly split moral hairs over an industry that is essentially immoral, in that it makes the majority of its profit from the weakness of some of its patrons, those few who can become so possessed of the gambling fever that they helplessly will go through large amounts of money. I know from personal experience how seductive and sometimes irresistible is the psychology that leads to large bets which is somehow only reinforced by losing. And online gambling is even more immoral and corrupt for many reasons I could go into.
The argument against KX is ridiculous. He's showing the way for people who read this board to make a profit from these scoundrels. He's not advocating them, promoting them. If anyone as a result of reading this thread deposited anything other than a token amount there, they must have misread.
The fact that players were not paid there gets repeated over and over. Anyone should know that is the worst crime a casino can commit. It is being throw... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KX at October 11, 2003, 2:05 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl:
I ain't though about to swallow the best way to shut a casino is to play there and win money from them.
I honestly don't understand your opinion I thought this meant u agreed, but obviously u don't, lol.
Quote:
The best way to shut any business is by people not utilising thier wares.
Yepp, normally that would be correct, since normally a company earns money from any business from any customer. With casinos that isn't the case. Prism offers/offered great bonuses with a fair software which they couldn't tamper. Thus players with enough knowledge about using their bonuses to the biggest benefit was defintely customers causing the casino losses.
It's all about killing profits. For a normal business the best way is just not giving them business. For a company which u can make lose money, giving them business is the worst that can happen to them. (This is also the reason for all the bonus hunter clauses in all ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 10, 2003, 7:26 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
I prefer to see everyone get paid and am glad to see KX prolly will.
I ain't though about to swallow the best way to shut a casino is to play there and win money from them.
The best way to shut any business is by people not utilising thier wares.
It's a double jeapordy KX.. If one plays at Prism they may lose while gambling or even worse get robbed if they beat the house.
I will take no talk on that our KX and will not argue the toss with you as i know you disagree anyhow.
Just giving my humble opinion for what it's worth at the risk you may concede.
hooha
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at October 10, 2003, 5:18 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:[quote] Making a company lose money is naturally the best and ultimately the only way to kill them.
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I have never said that I don't think Prism is stealing from me. If that is what anyone thinks the person in question must lack the ability to read. Read through my posts here. For gods sake, I even cancelled my credit card before contacting them...
... Amazing lack of logic.[/B]
Yes, quite.
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| Posted by: KX at October 10, 2003, 4:41 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
This is getting nowhere.
Gamblegirl; yes that is my stand, and that has been my stand all along. I have also written the exact same thing here. Feel free to disagree, but I really don't see the point in explaining it 62424802 times. Every company exists with the purpose of making profit. Making a company lose money is naturally the best and ultimately the only way to kill them.
Since Caruso never gives anything a rest wo resorting to lies and twists I guess I have to tell other readers this:
I have never said that I don't think Prism is stealing from me. If that is what anyone thinks the person in question must lack the ability to read. Read through my posts here. For gods sake, I even cancelled my credit card before contacting them...
I am honored btw that so many believe that readers of this board only listen to what I have to say. It's quite amusing actually how some first disrespect me and harass me, and then go on to say that everyone listens to me and me alone w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at October 10, 2003, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
This is a quoted from a post made by KX at BJ21.com from July of last year. I believe this attitude not only to be wrong-headed but counter productive. Tacit endorsement of rogue operators does exactly the opposite of what he is claiming.
Quote:
All online players should stand together and TAKE money from places like Casino Bar, while giving money (that is playing wo bonuses) to the good places. If players like me stop playing places like Casino Bar they will increase their profits and start up new casinos, maybe thatīs what you want?
A business losing money wonīt stay for long, the more ppl abusing places like Casino Bar the faster we get rid of them.
Maybe you are just talking from your own experience. Being a loser you should of course not support a casino like Casino Bar. Take money, donīt give them...
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| Posted by: caruso at October 10, 2003, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
KX - Sad but not surprising that you avoid the issue and stick in the usual little jab.
Why do you consider it unreasonable that Prism are now stealing from you, bearing in mind the number (far greater) of other people from whom this bunch of crooks have stolen, as a DIRECT RESULT of testimonies posted here, ie. "Prism have always paid me"?
I hope you don't get paid. You do not deserve to profit from such shameless behaviour.
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| Posted by: KX at October 10, 2003, 2:50 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Ty Ohdreampop!
caruso; "There's my response for you caruso and as usual I'm not going to respond to any more posts as I know where you'll go."
Sad but not surprising that you are still stuck in your twisted little world.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 10, 2003, 2:02 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Absolutely, taking their money and then posting about the fact that they paid you is supporting them. Worth FAAAAAAR more to them than the money they paid you. LOL, if it weren't for your efforts they'd probably be dead and buried by now. Quite an achievement, I have to say. Feel a tiny little twinge from your conscience yet?
Nah!
You can fool most of the people all the time - as evidenced by the goofy-goo backslaps and commiserations you taken in this thread. LOL, too funny, people.
But you can't fool some of the people any of the time.
Can I welcome anybody else to category no. 2?
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| Posted by: KX at October 10, 2003, 1:41 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
gamblinboi; I've never defended them and I have never claimed that they haven't ripped any players.
And yes, as usual, if you believe that taking a companies money equals supporting them that is your choice.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at October 10, 2003, 11:09 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
kx, you're missing my point.
and ftr, i think anyone who deposits at a scam casino is supporting them. even more so by publicly posting about it, ignoring the fact that others are being scammed by the ery same casino. Presenting two sides to a story, perhaps --- but more like breaking any sort of solidarity and support against casinos that rip people off.
I hope now you realize that what others have been saying is true all along - prism/virtual are thieves, and up until now you've been lucky in not getting reamed by them.
Also for the record - I've not been personally scammed by Prism/Virtual so this isn't a personal endetta - I've never deposited at either casino. I just happen to think that the overflowing testimony presented by players here is proof enough that Prism/Virtual are lying degenerate thieves.
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| Posted by: KX at October 10, 2003, 9:55 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
gamblinboi; Ofcourse they are contacting me because I've been writing about my experiences on the board, that must be pretty apparent to everyone since they went through Max to reach me... What do you think I should do about it? Refuse to get paid because others haven't been? Lie and say that they have not contacted me?
And no, I have NEVER told ppl they pay in general, I have told ppl they paid me. That is a huge difference. And no, it is not supporting the casino, there's no positive nor negative alues in stating facts.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at October 10, 2003, 6:27 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
kx, you think they'd be contacting you if all your previous posts bout irtual/prism weren't semi-positive ("they pay all the time, you just have to follow the rules") despite the obvious number of cases of people getting screwed even when following the rules?
I think up until now, you've been one of the only supporters (despite what you say, telling people that they DO pay IS supporting the casino) and now that they finally get around to screwing you, they maybe realized they shouldn't have..
Your case is not the only one where a legit player's winnings/balance has just been removed and the account locked. These ***holes have been doing it to many players, and now they've just gotten around to you.
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| Posted by: KX at October 10, 2003, 1:16 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek:
see, they do read these threads. I hope you get your money KX.
Ofcourse they do. What I said is that previousky they didn't know it was me. That is even more apparent now since they went through the trouble of contacting Max in order to reach me.
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| Posted by: KX at October 9, 2003, 3:50 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
Good move. You did the right thing to replace your credit card with a new one. read this thread:
Yepp, was aware of that, and it was the main reason for my decision.
Quote:
Good luck on getting your money. Someone might argue that you are "using" this board as a weapon to get paid. As long as you are honest about what happened and what's the outcome, I am all ears.
Thanks, and yes ofcourse the usual guys will complain. I don't care a bit. It would be ery dishonest to both the casino and the board not to ínform about the fact that they are atleast investigating.
Btw, it took about 5 minutes before I received this from Prism:
"I'll look into this for you ASAP.
Thanks,
X"
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at October 9, 2003, 1:48 pm | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
Good move. You did the right thing to replace your credit card with a new one. read this thread:
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006592.html
Good luck on getting your money. Someone might argue that you are "using" this board as a weapon to get paid. As long as you are honest about what happened and what's the outcome, I am all ears.
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online gambling "watcher".
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| Posted by: KX at October 9, 2003, 11:05 am | | Topic: Prism Casino. Finally ripped me. Forum: Winner Online |
I was contacted some days ago by Max Drayman (moderator of this board) who had received an e-mail from Prism Casino about trying to resolve this issue.
After alot of thought I decided to contact them using the address Max sent me, but I did this after having replaced my credit card with a new one, and I am seriously worried about what will happen next. $1000 is too much to just let go though.
This is the e-mail I sent to Prism:
"Dear Sir,
I was contacted by Max Drayman, moderator of the Winner Online message board (as you can see below), telling me you were sincerely interested in solving my problems with your casino.
My account is X and as I have explained (and messaged about numerous times) my account has been locked without me being informed why. My balance was reduced to $0 minutes before me being locked out. My balance before that was approximately $1,000.
I intend to keep the posters of Winner Online informed about the progress in this iss... | | Read Entire Entry |
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