| Posted by: Miamivce at December 16, 2003, 3:50 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Thank you Caps, your interpretation of what I wrote is right on the button. Where some people dream up all the schemes and ploys behind the words written here is beyond me.
I don't know how far back you (Caruso) can do a search on my old posts, but there's plenty of explanation of the slow draining of your money that the big outfits employ. Luckily, I caught on what was going on with them big name outfits after getting the slow drain job for about 6 mos. I won most of it back within a few mos. at Inetbet. And I play the same way (mostly blackjack) no matter where I play.
I'd pay more attention to your steady deposits in them big clip joints and less attention to misinterpreting the few favorable and honest comments around here about the handful of legit casinos. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that Inetbet is among the best, based on all the favorable posts it gets from MANY different members of this forum. Like I wrote somewhere around here before - this forum is ti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caps at December 10, 2003, 9:44 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso-
Why, precisely, is Miamivce's post "spurious"? Why don't you go ahead and elaborate upon what must certainly be your own extensive personal experience with BETWWTS -- as I have no doubt that is only this wealth of personal experience permits you to, in essence, call the guy (or the gal) a fraud and a spammer.
You know what? Based upon my experience, I also prefer to "steer clear" of Intercasino, Sands of the Caribbean and CON. I have found Intercasino's/ecash's customer service to be horrible. And CON's payouts are far, far too slow -- which is a form of poor customer service. By contrast, I have found that smaller operations, like iNetBet, 32Red, Global-Player and Sci-Fi, seek to distinguish themselves through the delivery of prompt, courteous and knowledgeable customer service (the same applies to Crockford's, though it is not particularly small). So, to my mind, it is hardly "spurious" for someone to suggest that folks who do not enjoy being... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at December 10, 2003, 8:08 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
INetBet, is number one is my book, no problem with me.
They pay faster than intercasino , con , any micro.
Breakaway and sci are also good , i never had no problem from them. not one problem and they pay in 48 hours.
not to many casino to me can compare to inetbet.
Key areas
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*Good Software
*good customer service
*montly bonus
*been around for a while , with no major complaints
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| Posted by: caruso at December 10, 2003, 4:08 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
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As far as the BIG ones go (Sands, InterCasino, CON) ... . my advice, from plenty of experience, is to steer clear of them).
Based on what, exactly?
Spurious advice indeed.
I'd certainly put the aforementioned three before this Sportsbook you're for some reason plugging in an iNetbet thread.
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| Posted by: Miamivce at December 10, 2003, 2:54 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Nice write up, Sazy.
Sorry to hear about Inetbet's Customer Service tailing off. I haven't played there in 6 mos. or so, but my experiences with them have been A+. And that goes double for quick payouts.
I've become more interested in Sportbooks and I'd like to report that my experiences with "Bet Casino" (via BETWWTS sportsbook) has been excellent also. Can't believe I've found a non RTG casino that appears, based on my experience, to be honest. I'm not 100% sure about Bet Casino just yet, but they return 10% of you monthly losses AND you can withdraw it immediately. Usually, this is a bad sign, I know - but it came in handy in "bad months" and I've had some good months that more than covered the bad one, ESP. if you figure the 10% return for the bad ones. No problem transferring whatever your balance is from BC to the BetWTSS sportsbook and NO PROBLEM getting a FAST payout from this reputable sportsbook. I'm not sure if you can just open an account with Bet Ca... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Sazy at December 9, 2003, 9:09 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
My Experience with INetBet is a little different. INetbet, Breakaway, and Sci-Fi are all my favorites. INetBet has fast payouts no doubt. I have won there and been paid within 24 to 48 hrs. However, I noticed lately the customer service has not been quite the same. They were ery rude to me when I complained that the quality of the ideo poker had gotten ery poor and the cards were turning either lightening fast or it would lag by 30 seconds to a minute! They told me I was complaining because I was not winning. This made me ery angry! As it is not if you win but if you have fun playing. What fun is it if the game is not working right? Keep in mind I have won more than I have lost at this casino. With Breakaway or Sci-Fi I can tell you for sure if your not happy with anything what so ever all you have to do is send support email. They will usually send you a small bonus chip or make sure to it that you are indeed a happy customer with them. They never insinuate anything. I was insulted by INetBet to say th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ohdreampop at December 9, 2003, 1:56 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
INetbet is the best in all areas. Fair games (RTG software), excellent customer service, lightning fast payouts. Do a search on here and you'll see that there isn't a better place to play.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at December 9, 2003, 1:05 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Inetbet offer fast payout and great customer service. Although their promotions are not as attractive as other's.
If you can care less about bonus, Ibetbet is your best bet. I would also recommend cherry casino and casino domain.
Casino on net offer great promotions. Their customer service is okay but it took them 7 days to pay you. If promotions are your thing then pick casino on net.
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| Posted by: beejay at December 9, 2003, 12:58 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
I've heard a few good things about inetbet. Have any of you had experiences with them, good or bad? I'm new to online gambling, and looking for a little guidance as far as which casino to use, before I put down my money. How about casino-on-net?
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| Posted by: HKGambler at June 20, 2003, 8:18 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by Caruso, "It's just damn sneaky. The double card isn't dealt, but the MONEY is removed."
It's more serious than being sneaky. It's near pickpocketing, lifting money off your pocket without being noticed.
Posted by Clayman, "Apologies to Emily if I came across as attacking her."
I don't see any apologies necessary, nor was it an attack. The issue is legit & serious, and she hasn't come further to clarify & admit anything since her last reply.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 20, 2003, 9:07 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackjackdaddy:
Give Emily a break...
Apologies to Emily if I came across as attacking her. I think she has proven herself to be a ery responsive and capable manager. I only intended to point out how it may be possible to improve the casino she manages by making the BJ rules more clear and educating CS on the ENHC rule as it applies to their game. I actually believe she would always welcome any constructive criticism and would accept it in the spirit it is intended.
At least Playtech addresses it in their rules, although they could do a much better job. Why do they only mention doubling s the 10 instead of splitting too? So one might assume both would return your original bet? They could be a little more forthcoming.
The rule seems to always cause some confusion as evidenced by the last part of your post which I don't understand at all.
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| Posted by: magnek at June 20, 2003, 7:39 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso has come a long way in this forum. I would say he has become the best asset of this board. Continue to tell it like it is...please.
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| Posted by: drlucky at June 20, 2003, 7:01 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
Try reading once in a while; the question asked, regarding a location of an explanation of the revamped blackjack rules, was not answered. And your comment about insurance is incorrect.
LOL, you gotta respect Caruso for always telling it like it is.
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| Posted by: caruso at June 20, 2003, 2:46 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Try reading once in a while; the question asked, regarding a location of an explanation of the revamped blackjack rules, was not answered. And your comment about insurance is incorrect.
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| Posted by: Blackjackdaddy at June 20, 2003, 1:14 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Give Emily a break at least she had the decency to get in this forum and explain most wouldnt do that.If you wanna split or double down just take insurance first and then if they have BJ you win your money back or if they dont you can double or split.Inetbet is one of the best so you should leave them alone.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 19, 2003, 7:24 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by aspendancer:
Basically, splitting A's against a dealers 10 up card is not worth trying since even if you get a 10 the dealers blackjack wins
Actually when the ENHC rule is in effect Basic Strategy would be to split A,A s 10 but otherwise do not split or double against 10 or Ace.
It could be, as you say, that RTG works the same way as Playtech, where you get your original back s a 10 if you double but if you split A,A s 10 you do not. Not that it matters because you should do that anyway. I suspect this might mean you would also lose on splitting 8,8. I think in Playtech it's only when you double s 10 you get your original wager back. It does get confusing, doesn't it?
Pretty nice double-deck where you live, especially if the dealer stands on soft 17.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 19, 2003, 4:22 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by drlucky:
Actually, at the playtech casino I was talking about (I dont remember which, I have played almost all of them, might have been royal dice, but not positive), the dealer was showing a 10, not an A, and I still lost both bets. And this rule was not posted anywhere.
At the admittedly few Playtechs I've played, I've always seen the same rules I posted above and assumed all Playtechs have the same BJ rules. Does anyone have the rules for Royal Dice? (I have not played there).
If the casino you don't remember you played at (you don't even have a copy of the e-mail you sent? - oops I was going to say shame on you again!) does have the same rules I would think you would have legitimate grounds for complaint if a 10 was showing since the rules I posted explicitly state you only lose your original bet to a 10.
OK - maybe I made too big a deal out of it.
Shame on me for "shame on you"
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 19, 2003, 4:01 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Emily iNetBet:
I hope this assists in helping to clear up any uncertainties that may have arisen.
Unfortunately I don't think it does. As Caruso points out a couple posts below yours, the point here is when does the dealer check his hole card with an Ace or 10 showing and when will the player "lose all to a natural" (that is split and doubled bets) because the dealer has not checked his hole card and only discovers a BJ with twice your bet out there.
Your challenge is to find where in the BJ rules of INETBET the ENHC rule (European No Hole Card) is addressed. And, if it's not, which I don't think it is, put some language explaining the rule in detail. And also to educate your customer service about it so they have a clue what is being asked when someone calls. Can you say whether or not this rule is currently being addressed in your listed rules for BJ?
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| Posted by: aspendancer at June 19, 2003, 1:53 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
Doubles / splits are NOT lost to a dealer BJ.
Are you sure about this caruso?
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| Posted by: aspendancer at June 19, 2003, 1:49 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
WOW!! This is ery sneaky. Oh well, and it up to another RTG, "how can we fleece the lambs more efficiently." Besides I had not played here in a while, guess I will have to change my play. Basically, splitting A's against a dealers 10 up card is not worth trying since even if you get a 10 the dealers blackjack wins, just like at all playtech sites I know of.
I would like to point out if it is like Las Vegas rules, the only casino I know in town is the Suncoast, where they have double deck, no surrender, split up to 4 times, double on any first 2 cards, can double after splits, get 1 card on split A's, check hole card with an A up, but do not check hole card with a 10 up. The caveat is if I split A's or make any other play doubling my bet I only lose my original wager since the dealer had a winning hand (blackjack).
Trust me you can split A's s. a dealers 10 up card at InetBet and lose both bets if the dealer has that dreaded A under there.
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| Posted by: caruso at June 19, 2003, 1:38 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
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what if it is a BJ with a ten showing up?
Doubles / splits are NOT lost to a dealer BJ.
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| Posted by: caruso at June 19, 2003, 1:34 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
The blackjack rules changed a long time ago, when they added the new "21" games; the dealer no longer peeks under the Ace, just under the ten. If you double or split against the Ace and the dealer has a ten in the hole, your double cards are not isibly dealt, but the bet IS removed from your balance.
Basically, they're hoping you won't notice, and carry on doubling and splitting against the Ace - whilst the money is swiped out of your balance. I posted about it last year - click here.
In comparison to all RTGs crimes over the years this really isn't too bad. It's just damn sneaky. The double card isn't dealt, but the MONEY is removed.
Duplicity is just parr for the course for these folk.
Note that Emily neatly ducked the question. It was about doubled money lost to a BJ, nothing whatsoever to do with insurance.
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| Posted by: Emily iNetBet at June 19, 2003, 9:12 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Hello to everyone at WOL,
I hope this assists in helping to clear up any uncertainties that may have arisen.
Case 1: When the dealer shows an Ace up 'Insurance' is offered to the
Player. If the player hits any highlighted button, then the system assumes the player has declined the 'Insurance' offer and player continues, dependant upon the button pressed.
Case 2: When the player has two Aces and the dealer shows an Ace up, 'Insurance' is offered to the player. When the player hits the 'Split' button, the system assumed the player has declined the 'Insurance' offer and play continues. In this case, splitting the Aces allows the player to receive only one more card per Ace.
If a player splits two aces, he/she receives only one additional card for
each hand. A hand totalling 21 after splitting aces is considered 21, not Blackjack.
These are the same rules that have applied since our inception; there have been no changes in this particular area.
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| Posted by: drlucky at June 19, 2003, 7:42 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Actually, at the playtech casino I was talking about (I dont remember which, I have played almost all of them, might have been royal dice, but not positive), the dealer was showing a 10, not an A, and I still lost both bets. And this rule was not posted anywhere. This is why I emailed customer support, but they didn't really understand my complaint and just told me this was standard blackjack rules to lose both bets. I guess at the time I should have posted the correspondence on here, but I just dropped it since it was only $20. So no need to shame on me.
I will say that some playtech casinos need to improve their disclosure of rules and terms (including bonus rules)to their players. there's always a lot of funny stuff going on with them.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 19, 2003, 4:39 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by drlucky:
But i don't think a high class operation that knows a lot about gambling would choose to do this.
From the rules of a Playtech BJ game:
We offer six deck Blackjack, which follows the standard “Las Vegas Strip” rules, with the following exceptions:
1.The deck is shuffled after each round.
2.The player may not split a split hand.
3.The player may double after splitting.
4.The dealer will not check for Blackjack in any case.
5.If the player doubles and the dealer’s first card is of alue 10, and the dealer gets blackjack, the player loses only the initial bet.
Rule #4 means the dealer never checks his hole card for BJ.
Rule #5 means it doesn't matter against a 10.
So it's a half ENHC rule and all you do is adjust your BS accordingly.
If you don't read the rules of the game you are playing before playing, shame on you. Certainly don't complain about it. It's a ery common rule ariation and... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: drlucky at June 19, 2003, 2:33 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
some playtech casinos also have this issue of keeping split or double bets when the dealer has blackjack (I guess the casino can set the software to do so or not). I emailed support to get a refund, but they told me these were standard blackjack rules. It wasn't worth arguing with them over $20. But i don't think a high class operation that knows a lot about gambling would choose to do this.
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| Posted by: aspendancer at June 15, 2003, 9:15 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
I had not played at InetBet in a while. Anyway, I have noticed that the dealer apparently does not check to see if they have blackjack with an ace up. I think the software used to do this in the past.
Anyone played there lately and noticed this too. I hit a 7 and received a 10 having a total of 17 the dealer had an ace up and then turned the 10 over for blackjack. Also, had two Ace's that I split against the dealer and the dealer had blackjack making me lose both bets.
Very strange?
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| Posted by: Sazy at April 15, 2003, 12:15 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
I won recently at iNetBet and at first I was not sure if I would really get my money. Within 16 hours my cash out was approved and in my Neteller account! This casino really makes it exciting because, win or loose you know they are honest and if you do win, you can count on them to pay.
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Go out and take on the day!
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| Posted by: MrWolf at August 3, 2002, 3:24 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Just a quick update of my latest experiences.
Thursday night I had another $3k plus win, which again was paid to PayPal in less than a day. Also credits back to credit card were approved within two days.
Before that I also made an overnight express withdrawal which reached me eight days after cashing in.
I've also had numerous smaller withdrawals which have all been credited to paypal in less than a day.
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| Posted by: FairBet at July 13, 2002, 6:31 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Magnek and Mrracetrack,
I could use your assistance. (Don't worry...It is not a "big" favor and if for whatever reason you don't want to help, that is OK. :-)
My email is: admin@fairbet.org
...drop me a line when you get a minute.
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Joe Plummer
www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: Gamerz at July 12, 2002, 10:55 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Emily has the most class of any casino manager I have seen, at least in my short tenure here. I will say this, I did some wagering, lost some money, cashed in my comp points (so I thought). She wrote me to inform me that I did not have the required points to cash in comp points. They would have amounted to about $10, anyway. She really surprised me when she told me she had just dropped $20 in my player account, as goodwill, or no hard feelings. We had a few pleasant email exchanges afterward. I believe her and I believe in her casino, far more than I would believe in ANY RTG casino at this time. The majority of them will not even answer your support questions, let alone give you compensation, even though it was not required. I do not want to choose sides on the issue with Fairbet, but I'd probably place a bet on Emily as being one of the best managers in an RTG casino, at least right now.
Thanks for being here, Emily.
Gamerz,
aka bluedog10
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| Posted by: FairBet at July 11, 2002, 10:01 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
...and yes magnek, as it is only fair, we will be back to let everyone know how things turn out. :-)
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www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: FairBet at July 11, 2002, 9:05 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
...we will look forward to your Email Emily.
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www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: magnek at July 11, 2002, 7:35 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
I guess I lost that bet Emily. Good for you. You talk a nice game but the way this interested punter sees this, Joe is only getting responses due to his posting here. I guess if you investigate his account long enough then eventually you will come up with more chargebacks to deplete his referral account. Pay him what is owed without needing further coorespondance. That would be the right thing to do. Joe will surely report back that he was paid and you will gain our trust once again.
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| Posted by: Emily iNetBet at July 11, 2002, 4:17 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
You Wrote
How would we know we were negative until November Emily? Our stats were showing that we were NOT negative. They were showing that we were DUE money. (You claim that this was a stats error, so be it...we had no way of knowing this!)
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You were showing money due, which I do accept was our mistake, or at ery least a software mistake, however I took it upon myself to check every players account who had entered through FairBet, as a result of this exercise I found we were in the negative, consequently this made you in the negative, this then prompted my request to RTG to investigate this incorrect reading.
Your other comments I think I have answered in my previous posts, so I do not think it is necessary for me to reiterate this again, suffice to say I am the first to admit that during the transitional period of the customer service changeover we were, to say the least, ‘not operating at full steam’.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at July 10, 2002, 2:56 pm | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by Emily Hanson, the casino
manager of inetbet;
"with all the negative press regarding Online Casinos, which in most cases is warranted"
Well, at least Emily does seem to know
the reality of many on line casino's.
Interesting.
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| Posted by: magnek at July 10, 2002, 11:53 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
2 to 1 says Emily will not return to this thread. Stand tall Joe, you are earning my respect.
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| Posted by: FairBet at July 10, 2002, 10:06 am | | Topic: inetbet Forum: Winner Online |
You wrote:
"All through 2001 until November your account was in the negative, you then had a large depositor in November, which in hindsight we were extremely suspicious of."
How would we know we were negative until November Emily? Our stats were showing that we were NOT negative. They were showing that we were DUE money. (You claim that this was a stats error, so be it...we had no way of knowing this!)
"..you then had a large depositor in November, which in hindsight we were extremely suspicious of. As you know these suspicions proved correct, as he charged back a not inconsiderable sum."
Ok, so you are saying that from November you were aware that "on paper" we appeared to be due something, but the depositor seemed suspicious. Fair enough. Why did we have to wait four months to hear from you? Does that seem reasonable?
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