| Posted by: jinnia at January 3, 2004, 2:46 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Personally, I don't see why it's not required before hand. They'll take your money in good faith, but won't give it in good faith when you request a withdawal.
And if someone has a problem with supplying their information before hand, then don't play the casinos online. Plain and simple!
This would also stop the majority of player fraud, unfortunately though, it still wouldn't stop the numerous amount casino fraud .
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| Posted by: slycin56 at December 29, 2003, 10:01 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamerz
"IF this story is true, why is the casino being held responsible for someone else's behavoir???"
Defending a casino for illigitimate tranfer of funds. It's not their money slycin, as it was not deposited by someone who was both authorized or of legal age. I can't believe your position...
The difference between the 11 year old going online or going to a store, is way different. A store could check ID.
Your logic is missed here? Yes, a store could check ID, but the casino couldn't and was acting in good faith based on all the info it was given. They did nothing illegitimate or illegal or wrong, based on the information they were given.
Based on what you're saying, the casino should be asking everyone for everything before they're allowed to open an account - is that what you want? To have to supply your drivers license, faxback form, and copies of your credit cards before being allowed to play??
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| Posted by: Mr J at December 29, 2003, 5:22 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Rediculous. IF the story is true, the casino owed him $600.
"Defending a casino for illigitimate tranfer of funds. It's not their money slycin, as it was not deposited by someone who was both authorized or of legal age. I can't believe your position..."
Very true. It was never his sisters money to gamble, so it was never the casinos to win. Unfair but that's how it works in western countries.
"So you didnt even notice 1,000 out of your bank account til your bank statement came in???
Very Odd."
It would depend on the time span between the deposit of the 1k and how long it took the bank to contact him about the deposit.
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| Posted by: Gamerz at December 28, 2003, 2:00 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
If you did not make the gaming purchases, then simply deny the charges. You telling the truth, that you did not make them. I filled out such a form, when wager 21 casino took a couple grand from me. It took about 10 days, but my bank covered me, also on a isa debit card. Nobody will be charged with a crime.
"IF this story is true, why is the casino being held responsible for someone else's behavoir???"
Defending a casino for illigitimate tranfer of funds. It's not their money slycin, as it was not deposited by someone who was both authorized or of legal age. I can't believe your position...
The difference between the 11 year old going online or going to a store, is way different. A store could check ID.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at December 28, 2003, 9:35 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
IF this story is true, why is the casino being held responsible for someone else's behavoir?? Is this part of that "I'm not responsible for my own behavoir, someone else is"?? BetMax is not responsible for his 11 yr old sister, her parents are; OR his freaking wallet, he is. How did she even get it? If this was a friend that stole his card to buy stuff at a store, would you all be screaming that the store was a thief and the STORE owed him? The "11 yr old sister" owes him the money - no one else.
OOgt - IF this story is true, it's too bad for you. Gamblers claim this crap all the time when they overgamble with casinos, whether it's online or offline. IF this story is true, your sister needs to have the chit scared out of her by pressing charges. If you don't do that, she'll have learned she can get away with identity theft on the internet - a MUCH larger issue because she'll do it again. SHE is the one that owes you the money, otherwise you're teaching her this behavoir is... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: oogt at December 27, 2003, 11:15 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
i did go for the entire amount. A stipulation for holding a isa check card at my bank states that if you want a full chargeback in a fraud case you HAVE to press charges. its in the fine print.
By the way, the money is back in my account so i guess Blast21 has redeemed themselves to some extent, its not like i didnt have to fight for it.
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| Posted by: theguru at December 26, 2003, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
This really isnt't a big deal if you dont wish to gamble on line any more, simply do a chargeback for 1000$ and get on with your life. Case Closed.
It's well documented that Blast 21 are a bunch of crooks so I'm sure no one on the site will dispute the fact that a chargeback is in order for the full 1000$.
Cheers
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at December 26, 2003, 1:56 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
My advice: If your sister gets an allowance of $10/ week, ask your parents to take it away from her for 2 years. You'll get a little over a thousand back and the girl will learn a lesson. That is, if the story is true. I also find it hard to believe that an 11 year old would steal their brother's card and make over a grand in deposits.
If this actually is true, I would think you would have gone for the entire amount back and not settled for the $600. I mean, come on!
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| Posted by: BaDaBoom at December 23, 2003, 8:41 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
uhm... yeah. Im not some degenerate gambler whos constantly pouring over his bank account. So although this may seem ery odd to you, to me it is not. Not to mention I have 3 bank accounts.
I still dont understand how you think she will be charged. Only YOU can charge her, not anyone else.
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| Posted by: oogt at December 23, 2003, 7:02 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BaDaBoom
So you didnt even notice 1,000 out of your bank account til your bank statement came in???
Very Odd.
uhm... yeah. Im not some degenerate gambler whos constantly pouring over his bank account. So although this may seem ery odd to you, to me it is not. Not to mention I have 3 bank accounts.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at December 23, 2003, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
yeah, she is pretty smart. 11 isnt that young. shes in 5th grade, she knows how to read, and she knows how to use a computer. why is it that inconceivable? I told you before, i cant chargeback or they will press charges against her. and i know that betmax is affiliated w/ blast21 because there was betmax software installed on my computer and BLAST21.COM DORKING, UK is on my check card statement. so obviously they were affiliated.
OOgt,
We get so many scammers on here crying "foul" that most regular readers have learned to ask questions before taking up the cause. I do believe an 11 year old could and would do all of this. Cruising the internet, casino ads are all over the place, especially where email is involved. Considering how we complain about spam, they probably spammed her email box with it so much, she was tempted to do this.
Anyway, I regret that you've had to endure this, but such is life in the 21... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BaDaBoom at December 23, 2003, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
oh yeah, and my banks name is Commerce Bank. Its a isa check card.
www.commerceonline.com
So you didnt even notice 1,000 out of your bank account til your bank statement came in???
Very Odd.
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| Posted by: oogt at December 23, 2003, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
yeah, she is pretty smart. 11 isnt that young. shes in 5th grade, she knows how to read, and she knows how to use a computer. why is it that inconceivable? I told you before, i cant chargeback or they will press charges against her. and i know that betmax is affiliated w/ blast21 because there was betmax software installed on my computer and BLAST21.COM DORKING, UK is on my check card statement. so obviously they were affiliated.
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| Posted by: kavaman at December 23, 2003, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Thats what i was wondering too.
Didnt care to comment before someone else did.
Also how exactly do you know that betmax is in same group with blast21, if your not a gambler at all?
-kavaman
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| Posted by: KidgamerPC at December 23, 2003, 1:29 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
WOW. Pretty smart 11-year old, if you ask me.
Not only did she install the casino software & create an account in your name, but also had to make a deposit through the casino cashier with your credit card, and play the games in order to lose the $400.
That's some wiz kid.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at December 23, 2003, 11:46 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
in this case, you should have charged back every single penny. BetMax has absolutely no right to your cash, not even the 400$ that your sister lost.
the only reason they are sendinb back the 600 is because they know you've found out you can get the ENTIRE 1000$ back. It's not too late to email them and say "f*** you, i'm getting it all back." if it's been within 30 days of you receiving your credit card statement.
The laws in Costa Rica are quite clear about all this - oh wait, there are no laws in Costa Rica.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at December 23, 2003, 10:19 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
My bank called me this morning and Blast21 has agreed tp return the $600. I should have my money within 30 days by electronic credit or check. If and when i receive the money i will repost stating so, and will redeem blast21
And yes my story was absoloutely true. Everything.
and in response to this:
Lastly, I don't understand how your bank can knowingly be transferring monies to an offshore casino in the first place. Have a good one.
They knew because the transactions overdrew the account and flagged the bank.
No, Cipher was asking how you managed to deposit at all, using an american credit card to a RTG casino. Can we have the bank's name and the credit card used?
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| Posted by: oogt at December 23, 2003, 9:34 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
My bank called me this morning and Blast21 has agreed tp return the $600. I should have my money within 30 days by electronic credit or check. If and when i receive the money i will repost stating so, and will redeem blast21
And yes my story was absoloutely true. Everything.
and in response to this:
Lastly, I don't understand how your bank can knowingly be transferring monies to an offshore casino in the first place. Have a good one.
They knew because the transactions overdrew the account and flagged the bank.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at December 23, 2003, 8:46 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
Lastly, I don't understand how your bank can knowingly be transferring monies to an offshore casino in the first place. Have a good one.
Cipher
You're not suggesting this "my-dog-hate-my-homework" story may not be true, are you? Heaven forbid.
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| Posted by: cipher at December 23, 2003, 6:39 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
I did that cipher, If the bank were to return the money to me w/o them getting it back from blast21/betmax, id have to press charges against my sister. since shes a minor, id have to press charges against my mother. i cannot and will not do that.
IM SO ANGRY....................
I would then suggest that you have your bank check with their own attorneys and have their attorneys review the case of PROVIDIAN MASTER CARD s HAINES. Lastly, I don't understand how your bank can knowingly be transferring monies to an offshore casino in the first place. Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: Gamerz at December 23, 2003, 2:39 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
It's simple, dude. If you did not make the charges, simply say so on the form. I had a Wager21 casino charge me $2000 after making only a couple of $20 deposits. I denied them, of course. My bank credited me all of the $2000, plus the $40, stating "all internet gambling is oid". BTW, this was a Visa debit card, not a credit card. Also, all Wager21 powered casinos are theives!
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| Posted by: Miamivce at December 23, 2003, 1:58 am | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
The advice you just got is the BEST thing to do.
What good is somebody else's post who got conned in by this outfit going to do you?? What are you waiting for - do the charge back and smack your little sister silly.
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| Posted by: oogt at December 22, 2003, 9:11 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
Simple: if the casino wants to keep accepting credit card deposits they pay if your bank asks them to do so. In this case, for $1000 they will.
Also, since they don't have your signature on anything agreeing to the charge the casino has no recourse with which to dispute your assertions, hence RTG's (real time gaming) particular zeal for the faxback form.
Bottom line: If you have a legitimate claim you will get your money back. You will also be barred from all other RTG casino's, which in itself is not a bad thing.
hahha Oh my god, PLEASE, I WANT THEM TO BAR ME so this never happens again. anybody with a similair experience w/ these con artists please post!
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at December 22, 2003, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
What if they refuse? Cyberbetting is in the UK, and their customer support is in costa rica. How can my bank force them to return the money?
Andrew
Simple: if the casino wants to keep accepting credit card deposits they pay if your bank asks them to do so. In this case, for $1000 they will.
Also, since they don't have your signature on anything agreeing to the charge the casino has no recourse with which to dispute your assertions, hence RTG's (real time gaming) particular zeal for the faxback form.
Bottom line: If you have a legitimate claim you will get your money back. You will also be barred from all other RTG casino's, which in itself is not a bad thing.
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| Posted by: BaDaBoom at December 22, 2003, 8:19 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
I did that cipher, If the bank were to return the money to me w/o them getting it back from blast21/betmax, id have to press charges against my sister. since shes a minor, id have to press charges against my mother. i cannot and will not do that.
IM SO ANGRY....................
No, thats not how it works. You'll get your money back, the casino will have no choice but to pay the bank and the casino will just blacklist you, which isnt a big deal since you dont gamble in the first place.
CHARGEBACK the $1,000 IMMEDIATELY. The bank WILL get your money back. Trust me.
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| Posted by: oogt at December 22, 2003, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
I did that cipher, If the bank were to return the money to me w/o them getting it back from blast21/betmax, id have to press charges against my sister. since shes a minor, id have to press charges against my mother. i cannot and will not do that.
IM SO ANGRY....................
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| Posted by: cipher at December 22, 2003, 7:09 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
Somebody please have advice for me.
I am not an online gambler. I've never gambled online before in my life. I have an 11 year old sister who took my wallet, and used my identity to create an account at BetMax Casino. She created it and used my check card to gamble with. All together she deposits a little over $1000 into the betmax account. She loses about $400. That leaves me with $600 left in the account. A couple days later, my bank calls me and tells me someone is using an online casino w/ my card. I find out its my sister and naturally raise hell. I immediately began an email coorespondence w/ betmax explaining what happened and asked them to recynd any deposits that came from my card. An extremely repulsive woman named Roxy Niles is who handled my dispute. She requested a bunch of info from me and that i fax it to her. I did. A few days later she denies my request stating that the casino cannot be held responsible for such actions. So i bite t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: oogt at December 22, 2003, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Betmax AKA Blast21 Stole My Money HELP! Forum: Winner Online |
Somebody please have advice for me.
I am not an online gambler. I've never gambled online before in my life. I have an 11 year old sister who took my wallet, and used my identity to create an account at BetMax Casino. She created it and used my check card to gamble with. All together she deposits a little over $1000 into the betmax account. She loses about $400. That leaves me with $600 left in the account. A couple days later, my bank calls me and tells me someone is using an online casino w/ my card. I find out its my sister and naturally raise hell. I immediately began an email coorespondence w/ betmax explaining what happened and asked them to recynd any deposits that came from my card. An extremely repulsive woman named Roxy Niles is who handled my dispute. She requested a bunch of info from me and that i fax it to her. I did. A few days later she denies my request stating that the casino cannot be held responsible for such actions. So i bite the bullet and say to myself "ok, its no... | | Read Entire Entry |
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