| Posted by: oakleez at January 21, 2004, 12:16 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Blast 21 still has not paid me.
Ronald is a total con artist. He says he doesn't know anything about the situation yet he is supposed to be a man of position. He is a complete liar. He ignores most of my emails until i spam him with several then he replies saying he'll look into it.
I am owed several thousand dollars this is a bunch of BS. anyone who says blast is solid is not. They will pay you then steal the money right out of your neteller account!!!
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| Posted by: BradleyT at January 13, 2004, 10:03 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
I deposited $150 at Vegas Palms casino last night. Today when I logged in I noticed I had more money than I should have had. So I check Neteller and guess what? They took out TWO deposits at the exact same time when I only made one deposit.
So on the playcheck screen it shows this:
Time Trans# Description Wagered Payout Delta Balance
-- -- -- Opening Balance -- -- -- 120.00
1/13/2004 02:08 1628706 ---- Vegas Palms 100% Match up to $150 -- -- 150.00 270.00
1/13/2004 02:19 1628756 ---- Neteller 10% up to $1000 -- -- 15.00 285.00
1/13/2004 07:23 1628878 ---- NETeller - Manual Update -- -- 150.00 435.00
This manual update **** should NOT be allowed. That basically gives them the authority to drain my account.
From CashCheck
Date Transaction Purchase Method Amount
1/12/2004 1628581 NETeller 150.00
1/13/2004 1628878 NETeller 150.00
From Neteller
Jan 12 22:13 Selborne Ltd. $150.00 - USD Accepted
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| Posted by: Exposer at December 29, 2003, 3:03 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oogt
Somebody please have advice for me.
I am not an online gambler. I've never gambled online before in my life. I have an 11 year old sister who took my wallet, and used my identity to create an account at BetMax Casino. She created it and used my check card to gamble with. All together she deposits a little over $1000 into the betmax account. She loses about $400. That leaves me with $600 left in the account. A couple days later, my bank calls me and tells me someone is using an online casino w/ my card. I find out its my sister and naturally raise hell. I immediately began an email coorespondence w/ betmax explaining what happened and asked them to recynd any deposits that came from my card. An extremely repulsive woman named Roxy Niles is who handled my dispute. She requested a bunch of info from me and that i fax it to her. I did. A few days later she denies my request stating that the casino cannot be held responsible for such actions. So i bite t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Exposer at December 29, 2003, 2:58 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
This is getting to be much too much of a common occurrence with Neteller. This is the fourth time that I know off within the last sixty or so days and every time it turns out to be a ery chilling experience.
To Neteller's credit on each occasion they've managed to straighten the issue out. On the last two incidents I was able to contact the Chief of Security at Neteller and he was most helpful in picking up on the issue as well as keeping in touch with me by email until the matter was resolved.
If the person involved in this Blast21 issue could provide a little more indepth information I would be happy to try that Neteller approach again. Have a good one.
Cipher
they are blacklisted at casinomeister. Do not play here for they are thieves.Check out casinomeister for the rogue casino list.
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| Posted by: oogt at December 22, 2003, 6:30 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Somebody please have advice for me.
I am not an online gambler. I've never gambled online before in my life. I have an 11 year old sister who took my wallet, and used my identity to create an account at BetMax Casino. She created it and used my check card to gamble with. All together she deposits a little over $1000 into the betmax account. She loses about $400. That leaves me with $600 left in the account. A couple days later, my bank calls me and tells me someone is using an online casino w/ my card. I find out its my sister and naturally raise hell. I immediately began an email coorespondence w/ betmax explaining what happened and asked them to recynd any deposits that came from my card. An extremely repulsive woman named Roxy Niles is who handled my dispute. She requested a bunch of info from me and that i fax it to her. I did. A few days later she denies my request stating that the casino cannot be held responsible for such actions. So i bite the bullet and say to myself "ok, its no... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NewbieDoobieDo at December 22, 2003, 1:48 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Neteller also has a "live" list of your passwords (unlike most casinos, banks, online dept stores etc where they have no access to them because they are encrypted). I assume if they have passwords they also have your "secure logon" numbers as well. It wouldn't take too much for some rogue employee to grab the password & "secure"ID, go home and xfer funds out of an account. I would think it would be ery difficult to prove it WASN'T you who did it.
I've never had any problems with them, and they are ery efficient to deal with but these stories and the lack of secure passwords make me nervous about the safety of my funds. Not withstanding the fact they require (US) Social Security numbers on signup (giving them a fake number doesn't work).
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| Posted by: caps at December 22, 2003, 8:59 am | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Not a word from Neteller. Interesting.
I am by no means a Neteller basher. As far as my personal experience goes, Neteller has been excellent. But this is a matter of some concern to me, and apparently to others, so I would certainly be interested to see Neteller describe, in some detail, the circumstances under which it is willing to move money out of a player's account without that player's knowledge or consent.
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| Posted by: raje at December 22, 2003, 3:51 am | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by RainFall
Neteller reveals the following to any casino/sportsbook who asks
Your CNA(Customer Name Address)
Your IP
Your IP when signing up
Who you send money to and their names p2p and peer to book/casino
This much i can confirm which basically means they disclose anything asked by a casino/sportsbook.
This is nuts.
Suppose I send money to a friend's account, and this guy plays in the same casino I've played b4. The casino would know it, and easily come up with bonus abuse or whatever they could come up with, and lock account and steal the money, despite all the documents proving the contrary.
I have also heard a case whereby the Neteller account itself was closed bcoz some casino complained.
What dumb idiots Neteller is turning out to be.
There's no security to your money and there's no integrity on Neteller's part to provide these info.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at December 21, 2003, 3:44 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Neteller is screwing up here big time.
I also had money ($700) taken off my Neteller account once without my request.
The Casino double-paid (sent me a withdrawal twice) me and then requested a return through Neteller who simply took the funds off my account again!
No matter WHAT the reason is, there is no way they should be allowed or able to do that. -Imagine a bank doing the same, they would be sued up their a$$ by day 2...!
Neteller...... I do not get it?!?!
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| Posted by: Martin at December 21, 2003, 3:14 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by RainFall
Any update?
Waiting to hear something from Neteller too, I also have another security concern about Neteller:
The casino operators have the account number and the security Id as I make the transactions thru the casino software and not thru the Neteller site as it should be, what happens then if some bad operator decide to steal money from someone's account just using the data they have?, as far as I know you can not reverse a charge in Neteller, does all depend only on the operators decency??
I never had a single problem with Neteller but I'm a bit worried about these things.
Martin
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| Posted by: cipher at December 19, 2003, 6:51 am | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caps
What!!?? Neteller simply transferred money out of your account (Caruso) without your knowledge or consent? Did you take the matter up with Neteller? If so, what was the response? If Neteller is willing to play ball on something like this, what's to stop a distressed casino from deciding to improve its cash-flow by pulling back some money that it wishes it hadn't had to pay out? The lousier of these outfits seem to be impervious to negative publicity, so why not? A player might howl, but there are stock responses (bonus abuser, other form of cheater) -- and of course silence has served many of these joints well. Many of these places have gotten quite fat through open and unabashed dishonesty, so how would this qualitatively be any different?
More than for the casinos, I would think that this sort of thing would be extremely dangerous for Neteller, for whom reputation is everything, and whose fiduciary obligation (if there is such a thing in this litt... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chucho at December 19, 2003, 6:16 am | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
One day I found that I had $100 in 7 different withdrawls, $700 total, taken from my neteller account in 3 minutes. It was Mummies Gold which I downloaded but never deposited at. Neteller said to contact the casino which I did and I got my money 2 days after they stole it. I never received and appoligy or reason much less my $700 match bonus.
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| Posted by: caps at December 18, 2003, 8:03 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
What!!?? Neteller simply transferred money out of your account (Caruso) without your knowledge or consent? Did you take the matter up with Neteller? If so, what was the response? If Neteller is willing to play ball on something like this, what's to stop a distressed casino from deciding to improve its cash-flow by pulling back some money that it wishes it hadn't had to pay out? The lousier of these outfits seem to be impervious to negative publicity, so why not? A player might howl, but there are stock responses (bonus abuser, other form of cheater) -- and of course silence has served many of these joints well. Many of these places have gotten quite fat through open and unabashed dishonesty, so how would this qualitatively be any different?
More than for the casinos, I would think that this sort of thing would be extremely dangerous for Neteller, for whom reputation is everything, and whose fiduciary obligation (if there is such a thing in this little world) has got to run to account holders ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BaDaBoom at December 18, 2003, 3:48 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
OBVIOUSLY you contact Neteller. The casino cannot withdraw the money from your NT account.
I once had an issue where a casino double paid me and asked me to return the money. I couldn't do anything at the time as I was on holiday, but I told them I'd see to it within a few days. Later, lo and behold, it transpired that the casino weren't happy about that, contacted NT, asked for the money back, and NT sent it!
Pretty terrifying when you think about it.
(I should add that apart from that serious glitch, I think Neteller are the best thing since sliced bread for OC transactions.)
Neteller did that to someone I knew too!! The casino called and said they paid HER by mistake and neteller gave the casino the money!! THAT IS REALLY SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted by: caruso at December 18, 2003, 3:44 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
OBVIOUSLY you contact Neteller. The casino cannot withdraw the money from your NT account.
I once had an issue where a casino double paid me and asked me to return the money. I couldn't do anything at the time as I was on holiday, but I told them I'd see to it within a few days. Later, lo and behold, it transpired that the casino weren't happy about that, contacted NT, asked for the money back, and NT sent it!
Pretty terrifying when you think about it.
(I should add that apart from that serious glitch, I think Neteller are the best thing since sliced bread for OC transactions.)
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| Posted by: BaDaBoom at December 18, 2003, 3:24 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by oakleez
Ronald replied that he was not aware of this and will have to look into it.
Is this normal procedure for a manager to know nothing?
how can they take money from your neteller??
You need to call neteller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Furthermore, as soon as you get paid to neteller, WITHDRAW the money.....
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| Posted by: oakleez at December 18, 2003, 1:18 pm | | Topic: blast 21 pays me then takes the money away now says my account is closed Forum: Winner Online |
I won almost 2,000.00 at their slots and they paid to neteller in a couple weeks. A few days later i notice the money is now debited from my neteller account and i called them and the manager is not in and they say my account is now closed. Who should i contact? Neteller? I've tried blast. I emailed the manager but i get the feeling this Ronald guy is a slime because he's not in during normal work hours and i keep hearing he'll be in tomorrow (after 10 EST).
I've done some searching and apparently this guy also bought betnetclub recently
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