| Posted by: theguru at February 5, 2004, 8:13 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Bump, I just feel better knowing that this criminal element in the industry stay in plain iew to warn all potential players.
STAY AWAY FROM WARREN CLOUD CASINOS!!!
These include, Crystal Palace, High Rollers Lounge, The Vegas Strip Casinos.
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| Posted by: cipher at January 25, 2004, 9:40 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Yes, in the interests of ALL his licensees - and therefore his wallet - Staw should obviously be ditching this bozo, since he's continually dragging his reputation and his business further into the mud. That's not going to happen, based on the track record: Extreme & Co. kicked him out; Staw gave him two new casinos - CP and HRL - at which point he picked up where he'd left off at Extreme; then JC Jones anished into the sunset from TVS and Staw handed all THOSE casinos over to Cloud, rather than looking for an honest operator to bring them up to scratch.
I wonder if Cloud actually has some HOLD over Staw; I can't see any reason why he'd tolerate him unless there was effectively no choice in the matter. The extraordinary arrogance he's shown here to one of the most reputable webmasters in the business certainly suggests he feels in a pretty unimpeacheable position.
All, and I did say ALL of RTG's problems are as a direct result ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at January 25, 2004, 7:54 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, in the interests of ALL his licensees - and therefore his wallet - Staw should obviously be ditching this bozo, since he's continually dragging his reputation and his business further into the mud. That's not going to happen, based on the track record: Extreme & Co. kicked him out; Staw gave him two new casinos - CP and HRL - at which point he picked up where he'd left off at Extreme; then JC Jones anished into the sunset from TVS and Staw handed all THOSE casinos over to Cloud, rather than looking for an honest operator to bring them up to scratch.
I wonder if Cloud actually has some HOLD over Staw; I can't see any reason why he'd tolerate him unless there was effectively no choice in the matter. The extraordinary arrogance he's shown here to one of the most reputable webmasters in the business certainly suggests he feels in a pretty unimpeacheable position.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at January 25, 2004, 7:09 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
You can't blame Connect for Warren Cloud. If you do that, you have to blame iNetbet as well.
not blaming. i'm just saying this is why there's a lot of resistance to accepting new RTG's as honest. They have to work 100x as hard as say a new Microgaming.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at January 24, 2004, 8:55 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
connecttocasino, see what you've gotten yourself into... RTG is a mess. Are you still wondering why you see so much resistance/hesitation to your casino?
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at January 24, 2004, 10:37 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
"It amazes me that RTG and other RTG lisencees would continue to tolerate an association with this kind of casino operator."
Why would this amaze you or anyone else? Staw and his RTG company has been associating with this type of operator since the beginning. Staw is just as big of a thief as his operators are. Why else would he let this piece of feces or other pieces such as the Virtual group open RTG casinos.. Why?? because the more they steal the more he gets.
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| Posted by: Touch at January 23, 2004, 4:30 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
I have been an online player for a few years and I have never seen an email of such disgrace.
Warren Cloud quote: (the mildest part of the email)
"When I meet you in person we will see if you are as ****y"
With casinomeisters military background, Warren Cloud should think twice.
I hope Neteller and other online wallets put an end to servicing these types of thugs.
For newbie's
Be sure to check out casinomeister webcast
rtsp://ra.casinomeister.com/xcasinomeister/22jan2004.ra
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at January 23, 2004, 12:26 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
It amazes me that RTG and other RTG lisencees would continue to tolerate an association with this kind of casino operator.
He is bad news for the industry, for players, and for honest operators.
This is exactly what will get governments involved in "protecting" gamblers for their own good. When they eventually realize that effective regulation of such an international and portable industry is impossible, the only option left will be to ban online gambling outright. Then the whole industry will be left to crooked operators and compulsive gamblers.
I strongly believe that shedding the strong light of truth on these ****roaches is the only way to clean up the industry. I have already stopped playing RTG casinos and believe that if enough people did the same and explained their reasons to RTG we would get some action. This theory is based on RTG management being smart enough to realize that the cost of keeping crooked operators exceeds the costs of abolishing them.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at January 22, 2004, 6:33 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Interesting that cashhunter should show up tonight to read this thread after an absence of several months.
http://mb.winneronline.com/search.html?searchid=7042
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at January 22, 2004, 1:51 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
www.crystalpalace.com
www.highrollerslounge.com
www.cleopatras-casino.com
www.clubregalcasino.com
www.americas-onlinecasino.com
www.clubmardigrascasino.com
Previously ran:
www.casinoextreme.com
(also allegations of involvement with Casino Heat)
www.ratedplayercasino.com
Previous address/phone:
Cloud, Warren
Biz Africa
113 West Street, Second Floor, Extralia
Centre
Sandton, 2007
ZA
+27 82 927 0104 (FAX) +27 82 927 0104
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at January 22, 2004, 1:32 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
everyone should go read that thread and see for themselves what kind of scum can be involved in online gaming.
Someone should also post a list of all of Oliver Curran's aliases as well as known casino operations.
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| Posted by: chucho at January 22, 2004, 1:01 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by theguru
I just read a complaint about Crystal Palace at the Casinomeister and feel that it is important for players to read about what a scumbag Warren Cloud its owner is, who also now runs The Vegas Strip Casinos and High Rollers Lounge. So this is a warning to all to NEVER PLAY AT THESE CASINOS!!
Below I have copied and pasted the complaint and response that the Casinomeister recieved. (Sorry max if you don't want threads from other sites being posted, but it is important for players to stay informed on why they shouldnt play at these casinos becasue they WILL get ripped off)
[Max says: please hold down your Shift key and click this link http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...read.php?t=3400 to see the original thread at CasinoMeister's. I believe it should be accessible to everyone.]
What ever it takes to get the word out about this scum. Some day when I am sitting at the last table at the world poker tour I will ware a T-shirt tha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at January 22, 2004, 11:11 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
But obviously this particular instance is exceptional.
As Warren Cloud aka Donald Fortune aka Richard Brooks aka Oliver Curran is exceptional even by the standards of online casino operators, although not by RTG standards.
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| Posted by: max at January 22, 2004, 10:09 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
I hear you. I'm going to see if there isn't some way we can put in a link to Casinomeister instead of quoting them here. As I've indicated, I'd like to refrain from directly quoting material from other boards. But obviously this particular instance is exceptional.
Regards,
Max Drayman
PS. The thread text has been replaced with a link to the original material.
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| Posted by: theguru at January 22, 2004, 7:51 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Strikes Again Forum: Winner Online |
I just read a complaint about Crystal Palace at the Casinomeister and feel that it is important for players to read about what a scumbag Warren Cloud its owner is, who also now runs The Vegas Strip Casinos and High Rollers Lounge. So this is a warning to all to NEVER PLAY AT THESE CASINOS!!
Below I have copied and pasted the complaint and response that the Casinomeister recieved. (Sorry max if you don't want threads from other sites being posted, but it is important for players to stay informed on why they shouldnt play at these casinos becasue they WILL get ripped off)
[Max says: please hold down your Shift key and click this link http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...read.php?t=3400 to see the original thread at CasinoMeister's. I believe it should be accessible to everyone.]
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