| Posted by: theguru at February 8, 2004, 3:34 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry Raje, misunderstood, either way I agree the game restrictions are absurd for a casino like VIP that has a 70 times the bonus playthrough. Unless you play craps, Pass, Dont Pass or Roulette, every # including 0, players are still facing some steep odds, and for the no risk wagers you think this type of play would be easy to spot.
Cheers
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| Posted by: theguru at February 7, 2004, 11:39 am | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
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Whether one bets black n red at the same time,the HA would still be 2.7% right? Considering WRs nowadays r going 40xbonus, I don't see why they still disallow roulette.
Agreed Raje, especially with a sticky bonus it is almost irrelevent what game the player chooses, in order to win they must play ery high ariance to make the bonus profitable. If you cant cash out the bonus then no-low risk wagers are irrelevent without a doubt. The best way to abuse a sticky bonus with roulette I guess would be to bet it all on 1 number and hope to hit 1 out of 36 times. If you do this with a 200% bonus, 100$ for 200$, then over time when you hit you will win 10500$ and the 35 times you lose will only total 3500$ leaving you with a net profit of 7000$ after playing the bonus 36 times. I guess this is what the casino fears but this is only if a number of players play this bonus the same way which is highly unlikely.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at February 6, 2004, 2:26 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BaDaBoom
Roulette is almost ALWAYS excluded
The reason for this that you can hedge your bets, for example, by betting on red and black or on all 37 or 38 numbers at the same time. Casinos should have found a way of identifying such bets by now, and either note if someone is making such bets while playing with a bonus or simply not count them towards the wagering requirements.
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| Posted by: BaDaBoom at February 6, 2004, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dk121
Well I played roulette mostly but then proceeded to hit up all the other games including blackjack, pai-gow and also checked with customer service to see if my rollover requirements were met. My game is roulette so its a pain that I have to play all these other games because of the bonus requirements.
Roulette is almost ALWAYS excluded
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| Posted by: dk121 at February 6, 2004, 12:50 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Well I played roulette mostly but then proceeded to hit up all the other games including blackjack, pai-gow and also checked with customer service to see if my rollover requirements were met. My game is roulette so its a pain that I have to play all these other games because of the bonus requirements.
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| Posted by: theguru at February 6, 2004, 11:58 am | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
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Yep going through a process with Aspinalls now. Won over a dime playing roulette and sent them my info, called back today and they said call back monday. What a joke. Question for all is that I made a withdrawal minus my bonus.
You might be in some trouble with this one if you accepted the sign up bonus at Aspinalls. It says in their terms that: " Craps, Roulette, Baccarat, and Sicbo are excluded from this promotion." If you played Roulette with the bonus I highly doubt they'll let you cash out as you did not comply with their terms.
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| Posted by: dk121 at February 6, 2004, 11:42 am | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Yep going through a process with Aspinalls now. Won over a dime playing roulette and sent them my info, called back today and they said call back monday. What a joke. Question for all is that I made a withdrawal minus my bonus. I left my bonus in my account. Can I still go in and play that $200 bonus left in my account after I receive the withdrawal money or do they take it out?
Now hearing about a phantom bonus? Damn whats up with all these bonuses. Read last night about this stupid bonus account at some casinos too. I've played at Starluck casino about 2 months ago my first time ever playing at an online casino and won and got my cash the next day with no questions asked and here I thought all casino were like that. Im a sports bettor and when you cash out, if they money isn't there same day or next day they would get hell. JMO.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at February 6, 2004, 11:03 am | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by raje
Personally, sticky bonus = no bonus
I won't play them
Here is a strategy to make money off a sticky bonus. Play normally until you meet the WR. Cash out everything but the bonus. Now set a goal and play aggressively (bet big) until you meet that goal or go bust trying. If you reach your goal, cash out, and repeat until you go bust. With this strategy, the expected gain from the sticky bonus is almost as much as the bonus itself.
There is another kind of bonus, called "phantom" bonus by the Wizard. This cannot be cashed out either, but it is removed from your account if you cash out. In this case you need to set a high win goal and go for it aggressively.
Let's say you deposit $100 and get $100 "phantom" bonus. Now you have $200. If you set a goal of $400, you have 50% chance of reaching it before going bust, ignoring the house edge. If you reach this goal, you can cash out $300, the expected alue o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: wacky1 at February 6, 2004, 8:19 am | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Hi DK, personnally I love these sticky bonuses, gives me a reason to bet huge on games like BJ and Video Poker. IMHO though you might want to stay away from Aspinalls though, they are part of the Golden Palace Group and are notorious for slow paying players. I just went through a mess with them recently and wouldn't wish the hassles I had with them on any fellow player. Theres a thread in Best and Worst about my plight with them.
A casino I did enjoy that had a sticky bonus is Mapau 50$ for 70$ wager 480$, bet my balance on BJ, hit a BJ and cashed out after finishing the wagering with low stakes BJ, I was paid in 3 days no identifiacation or anything. IMHO they are pretty good and I will go back there for sure.
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| Posted by: dk121 at February 5, 2004, 6:56 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
ok so theres these "sticky" bonuses where they give you money to play with but cant withdraw..
then there is the match play bonus where they give you a certain amount of money depending on how much you deposit. Those can be withdrawn right?
What else?
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| Posted by: BaDaBoom at February 5, 2004, 2:45 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dk121
yeah it is but I just want to know what you guys think of this? Is this normal among the casinos to see this type of bonus? Usually if you get a bonus, you play the rollover amount and you get to withdraw your deposit, bonus, and any money won, IN this case, you rollover your bonus but dont get to withdraw your bonus. Doesnt anyone else think thats misleading?
Nope, STICKY bonuses, as they call them, are VERY common because you can win money off of THEIR money but you just can't withdraw that bonus.....You'll see it in a lot of places...
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| Posted by: dk121 at February 5, 2004, 2:33 pm | | Topic: Casino Bonuses...your thoughts on this one... Forum: Winner Online |
yeah it is but I just want to know what you guys think of this? Is this normal among the casinos to see this type of bonus? Usually if you get a bonus, you play the rollover amount and you get to withdraw your deposit, bonus, and any money won, IN this case, you rollover your bonus but dont get to withdraw your bonus. Doesnt anyone else think thats misleading?
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