| Posted by: Jetset at February 20, 2004, 10:40 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
We seem to have lost some focus on the current central issues here which are surely where Hampton, Delanos and whatever other online casinos owe The Pirate money go from here?
Now that it is clear that there is no proof of fraudulent or T&C contravening behaviour, and that the Caribbean 21 game has passed all inspections surely Delanos and the others need to unfreeze The Pirate's winnings and pay him out? What grounds can they have for not doing so, and immediately?
Hampton is likely going to be a tougher nut to crack because their reputation is probably already shot following their surprising admission that they:
1) deliberately tried to trick the Pirate into admitting he had a robot,
2) attempted conspiracy to defraud other casinos,
3) their attempts to impose retroactively a ridiculous WT requirement,
4) their failure to supply gaming logs on request, and
5) the RTG disclosures which cast Hampton as being economical with... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: swin at February 20, 2004, 9:59 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by adriches
Does marketing face up blackjack like we have done here http://www.phoenicianblackjack.com offend everyone that has lost at that game or anyone who has won and not been paid by other casinos ? i think it probably doesnt.
http://www.phoenicianblackjack.com/
Am I missing anything, why J + 7 + 3 =21?
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| Posted by: Tricon11 at February 20, 2004, 6:26 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
For someone to say Phoenician Casino is profiting from a cheated player makes no sense to me since Phoenician paid the player the amount he won.
Granted it was not 1.3 million, but it was not a couple of thousand either.
And a casino owner has the right to use any advertising he sees fit.
Not only did he advertise the game C-21 is back online, but they used the Pirate theme. They could have used his alias or first name and picture if they wanted to. They did pay him did they not?
But to go one step further the casino owner then posts why he used the theme and explains why C-21 is back. RTG found no flaws in the software. He then states Phoenician found no problems with the play of PC-21 and he was paid in full and he is welcome to play again.
Am I missing something here, or is it the majority of the patrons on this board don’t want to see PC-21 get paid? Jealousy? who knows!
I myself would like to thank Phoenician Casino for there honesty and integrity in this situation. Do... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: adriches at February 20, 2004, 4:31 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
Actually by insinuating Phoenician into the debate your casino is at least as involved as the other casinos, including Delano who still owe the player money. Unlike some here I cannot applaud your methods.
Just to clarify my casino doesnt owe Brian any money we paid him in full and we had no issue with his play. Also i would like to point out that i did not bring my casino into any debate , i had stayed out of the debate on winneronline , casinomeister and other forums in relation to this issue until my casino was brought up.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at February 20, 2004, 4:20 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by adriches
There is nothing amusing about players getting ripped off and i dont believe it has been portrayed in that way at all. The player himself is not upset and doesnt feel exploited ( by our marketing ).
Does marketing face up blackjack like we have done here http://www.phoenicianblackjack.com offend everyone that has lost at that game or anyone who has won and not been paid by other casinos ? i think it probably doesnt.
A disingenuous argument. Compare the phoenician link above to this one:
http://mb.winneronline.com/attachme...attachmentid=35
A slight difference to be sure, don't you think?
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Having said that i appreciate feedback from you and others and i will take on board what has been said.
Gamblegirl , this ery issue( PC21) is a problem for me and in fact a problem for all online casinos however i dont know all the facts and it doesnt involve my casino directly - i cannot fix it... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: adriches at February 20, 2004, 3:40 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
It's beside the point that Pirate's case is "strengthened" by a fellow licensee's stance, and his own opinion on the matter is quite irrelevant.
This is true - my opinion is irrelevant as is yours in this whole matter. It is an issue that hamptons and the player needs to resolve.
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Bit of a coincidence, wouldn't you say?
A month of hot publicity of the "Pirate" affair, the game said "Pirate" played to create the publicity comes back couched in "Pirate" language.
Sorry, profitting from the misfortune of a player is absolutely out of order. Of course the Pirate theme wasn't "coincidental".
And I don't see anything remotely "amusing" about players being ripped off either.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 20, 2004, 8:09 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
It's beside the point that Pirate's case is "strengthened" by a fellow licensee's stance, and his own opinion on the matter is quite irrelevant.
Casinos profiteering from cheated players is contemptible practice. All other comments are duly recognized for their own alue on other matters irrelevant to the point that I brought up.
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| Posted by: cipher at February 20, 2004, 7:29 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi
caruso, gamblegirl, you two make alid points. but I think Pirate can use this as proof against hamtpon - other casinos pay up, other casinos have no problem with my pay, you guys can't go renegging on your bets. In fact, other casinos WANT me back to play (which casino would turn down an obvious high risk gambler who might have a cool million in the bank, assuming he gets paid?).
Very well thought out post Gamblinboi.
Has anyone ever heard the phrase...
"LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE F*#! OUT OF MY WAY.
Dean Michaels has taken the lead on this issue. He's not playing Duck and Cover. He's taking a stand and he's defending that stand admirably.
Lastly, I can personally assure you that the Pirate is not at all upset by the advertisement in question. Moreover, he's amused, as well he should be.
Have a good one .
Cipher
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at February 20, 2004, 7:22 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Well sure, if you completely disregard any ethical considerations and simply circumvent that by saying exploiting this situation could be good for the player and Phoenician than I might agree with you. I mean, if that's where you're coming from on this issue than I can see how you'd fit easily into the world of online gambling.
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| Posted by: dominique at February 20, 2004, 7:02 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi
caruso, gamblegirl, you two make alid points. but I think Pirate can use this as proof against hamtpon - other casinos pay up, other casinos have no problem with my pay, you guys can't go renegging on your bets. In fact, other casinos WANT me back to play (which casino would turn down an obvious high risk gambler who might have a cool million in the bank, assuming he gets paid?).
I'll second that, gamblinboi!
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at February 20, 2004, 6:37 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
caruso, gamblegirl, you two make alid points. but I think Pirate can use this as proof against hamtpon - other casinos pay up, other casinos have no problem with my pay, you guys can't go renegging on your bets. In fact, other casinos WANT him back to play (which casino would turn down an obvious high risk gambler who might have a cool million in the bank, assuming he gets paid?).
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at February 20, 2004, 5:03 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
I agree with Caruso on this one. Completely irresponsible behavior. I'm certain RTG will use the same rationale when Hamptons does finally stiff this player for good: "It's not our problem." Wanna bet?
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| Posted by: caruso at February 20, 2004, 4:01 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slotski
I took the "Pirate" theme to be due to the name Caribbean Poker (as was the intent). Certainly dont think was intended to poke fun.
Bit of a coincidence, wouldn't you say?
A month of hot publicity of the "Pirate" affair, the game said "Pirate" played to create the publicity comes back couched in "Pirate" language.
Sorry, profitting from the misfortune of a player is absolutely out of order. Of course the Pirate theme wasn't "coincidental".
And I don't see anything remotely "amusing" about players being ripped off either.
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| Posted by: Portia007 at February 20, 2004, 3:36 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Adriches : Great Post.
Phoenecian pays it's winners (unlike hamptons/portofino and Delanos), they invite winners back.
Under those circumstances - nice ad.
Ask the 1.3 million winner (unpaid by hamptons/portofino and Delano's) for an endorsement.
That'll get gamblers attention.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at February 19, 2004, 11:25 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Dean, thanks for the response. in fact, thank you ery much for the response.
In light of it, i think the pirate theme was a good call and I bet Pirateof21 probably blushed a bit when he saw it.
As for the rest of the post, I'm going to reference it on the Casinomeister thread about C21, it was that good.
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| Posted by: dominique at February 19, 2004, 2:15 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by adriches
Happy to comment about this.
I threw this job to one of my graphics guys about the rerelease of the game and he came up with the pirate theme based on 'caribbean' when he showed me i thought it was amusing and did not see any issue with sending this out. I thought that players following the issue would see it as amusing.
I would like to add that i did not reference the fact that a player had won 1.3 million - which in my opinion would have been a strong promotion because of the issues surrounding it. I would also like to add we paid brian ( the pirate of the caribbean ) all the money he won from our casino and did not have any issue with his play. I also emailed him and let him know when the game comes back online that he can feel welcome playing at our casino. Previous to all these problems going down brian and i had ( and still have ) a good relationship.
As far as commenting about Hamptons - you must realize i have to be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: adriches at February 19, 2004, 1:36 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi
I agree. Definately in bad taste, Phoenician. PirateofC21 is owed 1.3 MILLION dollars by fellow RTG casinos, and here you are touting the game is back with a pirate theme. DEFINATELY wrong thing to do. Dean, care to comment about this?
What do you think about the way Hamptons is doing everything to back out of its debt to one of its players?
Happy to comment about this.
I threw this job to one of my graphics guys about the rerelease of the game and he came up with the pirate theme based on 'caribbean' when he showed me i thought it was amusing and did not see any issue with sending this out. I thought that players following the issue would see it as amusing.
I would like to add that i did not reference the fact that a player had won 1.3 million - which in my opinion would have been a strong promotion because of the issues surrounding it. I would also like to add we paid brian ( the pirate of the caribbean ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: gamblinboi at February 19, 2004, 6:56 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
I agree. Definately in bad taste, Phoenician. PirateofC21 is owed 1.3 MILLION dollars by fellow RTG casinos, and here you are touting the game is back with a pirate theme. DEFINATELY wrong thing to do. Dean, care to comment about this?
What do you think about the way Hamptons is doing everything to back out of its debt to one of its players?
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Check out Phonecian's cheap attempt to profit from the Pirate affair with "yo ho ho"ing in their recent announcement of the C21 game return.
Sickening behaviour.
This thread definately belongs in Best and WORST.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 19, 2004, 6:29 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Check out Phonecian's cheap attempt to profit from the Pirate affair with "yo ho ho"ing in their recent announcement of the C21 game return.
Sickening behaviour.
This thread definately belongs in Best and WORST.
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| Posted by: richeddy at February 16, 2004, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi
Agreed. Phoenician is setting a clear example of "Best" and this should be moved back to Best and Worst.
Yes, I intended it as a "best" casino experience that I have ever had thread. Why was it moved?
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at February 16, 2004, 9:45 am | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by ohdreampop
Why was this moved to Joker's? Isn't it about best and worst? Just curious.
Agreed. Phoenician is setting a clear example of "Best" and this should be moved back to Best and Worst.
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| Posted by: caps at February 15, 2004, 6:44 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
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| Posted by: richeddy at February 15, 2004, 2:16 pm | | Topic: Phoenician Casino Instant Cash Out Forum: Winner Online |
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