| Posted by: theguru at February 26, 2004, 9:56 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Touch
Nothing as of yet.
Sending another email to service@oddson.com
Good to hear most people are getting paid. That would suggest that eventually funds will be sent my way as well.
Thank you for the imformative post about eCOGRA.
I wonder if OddsOn will eventually make it on that list?
I will post as soon as I get paid!
If Odds On makes the list then that will spell the end of credibility for the eCOGRA. Odds On have shown an irresponsible attitude toward players throughout this whole 40+ matter.
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| Posted by: Touch at February 19, 2004, 9:57 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jetset
"I am still really pissed at Oddson and those f*c*ers at 40+ but atleast I got my money. This public hoopla has toned down abit but Oddson should still get hell for being a piece o crap and lieing about not knowing anything."
I would definitely have to agree with you on that, Wildcat - glad you (eventually) were paid.
Touch - what about your situation?
Nothing as of yet.
Sending another email to service@oddson.com
Good to hear most people are getting paid. That would suggest that eventually funds will be sent my way as well.
Thank you for the imformative post about eCOGRA.
I wonder if OddsOn will eventually make it on that list?
I will post as soon as I get paid!
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 18, 2004, 11:58 pm | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
"I am still really pissed at Oddson and those f*c*ers at 40+ but atleast I got my money. This public hoopla has toned down abit but Oddson should still get hell for being a piece o crap and lieing about not knowing anything."
I would definitely have to agree with you on that, Wildcat - glad you (eventually) were paid.
Touch - what about your situation?
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| Posted by: wildcat at February 18, 2004, 4:28 pm | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
After emailing oddson again last week as Sirius suggested they apologized for the delay and had me resend my details even though Casinomeister sent them in before. After a few days EH emailed me and asked me to open an account, I had one already so I emailed them that account number and my funds were in there the next day. I am still really pissed at Oddson and those f*c*ers at 40+ but atleast I got my money. This public hoopla has toned down abit but Oddson should still get hell for being a piece o crap and lieing about not knowing anything.
Regards,
Wildcat
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| Posted by: jinnia at February 8, 2004, 12:39 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
That press release on the Vegasplayers launch appeared on WOL a year earlier too (July 2002),http://www.winneronline.com/article...egasplayers.htm
so it looks like they had two launches using an identical release from the Turks and Cacos islands.
Another connection - check out this site where Odds On is mentioned at the foot of the page - we're looking into that too. Korean Lottos would seem to be a precarious business!
http://www.kolotto.com/eng/company_history.htm
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 7, 2004, 1:17 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Still working on it but it looks like a mixed bag at present.
There definitely seem to be players who have heard nothing further after submitting their claims several weeks back, but on the other hand there have been posts from players saying that they have been paid, and Bryan Bailey (who had around 12 complaints I think) says the majority of those have been paid through English Harbour as promised.
We need those players who have claimed and not been sorted out to post so we have a better grasp of the situation.
Ron Maginley, the director of online gaming in Antigua has still not responded to questions on his statement that Odds On is outside his remit (despite the fact that they have offices in Antigua) That is extremely disappointing.
Odds On is maintaining its arrogantly uncommunicative approach, meanwhile. And there are still investigations into this company and its relationship with English Harbour ongoing, now also ia the Canadian media.
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| Posted by: jinnia at February 2, 2004, 6:52 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
There is no guarantee that either country will/can do anything. So, it will be their call if they decide to investigate or not based on the information that will be submitted with certain details pointed out.
I made contact a while back with a government body, and they do seem most interested.
But I was hoping all these people would do the right thing, but it looks as if they have made the choice of not doing so.
Any and all options needs to be checked into now, this has gone on too long with nothing but secrecy from all involved and if one decides to speak little of nothing, it's a lie.
Time will tell if this goes any where or not!!
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at February 2, 2004, 6:21 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
You're omitting the sort of necessary ingredient of proof, or at least direct evidence to support any of those charges. Construeing, speculating,etc have to be at least based on circumstantial evidence such as bank records, previous criminal activity in this area, ties to criminal or terrorist organizations. Fishing expeditions are expensive and time-consuming so unless someone comes forward or the Antiguan's think this will hurt their reputation nothing much will occcur [my own speculation]. I don't see the upside right now for the Antiguans.
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| Posted by: jinnia at February 2, 2004, 6:10 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset,
Still not one word from Maginley, even after communicating to him what would be done. He like all the rest involved are remaining quiet. So I am gathering all information I have and this Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2004, it will be submitted to the parties I previously stated to you.
I hope these two governments reads it has an act of money laundering and/or funding terrorism.
By the way Forty Plus came into operation and a few months later stole all monies and left it could be construed as such. Lets hope the governments reads it as such and investigates.
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 1, 2004, 11:24 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
I'm not back at base yet but this looks like more nonsense from Odds On, leading one to believe that they really do think this is all just going to go away.
These guys know where Barahona is, and they know that he has the player details.
That's assuming that you accept their story that they have no idea what players there were or what their action was (despite being royalty beneficiaries) I for one do not.
It is even more disgusting when you consider that the Antiguan licensing authorities have now gone into silent mode despite repeated queries and urging, and that there are relatively few players who actually know about this Odds On "solution" and have submitted claims, so Gagnon and his crew have successfully limited most of the financial fall-out of the Forty Plus failure.
This conduct on their part cannot be allowed to stand.
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| Posted by: theguru at February 1, 2004, 8:36 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
What a surprise, so far only 3 people have reported being paid by Odds On, I bet they figured this issue would just blow over. If I were you I would go to the Casinomeister, he was handling this dispute and still advertises Odds On powered casinos.
Has anyone new been paid up by Odds On? or are they continuing this trend of leaving their players high and dry?
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| Posted by: wildcat at February 1, 2004, 8:14 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
I haven't recieved anything either, not that it suprises me. Received this on the 5th on Jan and nothing since.
From : Service <Service@oddson.com>
Sent : Monday, January 5, 2004 4:14 PM
To : service@oddson.com
Subject : 40 Plus Casino
Hello,
We have received your player information and balances. We are currently
attempting to locate a copy of the 40 Plus database to confirm those
balances, and we will email you as soon as we have more information to
pass along to you.
Sincerely,
Odds On
Regards,
wildcat
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| Posted by: jinnia at January 25, 2004, 6:59 pm | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
On Thursday, January 08, 2004 I sent Ronald Maginley an e-mail about the Forty Plus, Oddson and EH issue. He responded with::
From: Ronald Maginley
Date: Friday, January 09, 2004 07:21:06 AM
To: jinn
Subject: RE: Forty Plus Casino Issue::
Good Morning Deborah,
My office looked into the affair as it relates to English Harbour. We are satisfied that the relationship between Oddson and EH are that of licensor and licensee and not that of ownership. I am sure that you would appreciate that the regulatory remit of the Directorate is restricted to companies licensed within Antigua and Barbuda. Oddson being a Canadian company and Forty Plus being a Costa Rican company are clearly outside our regulatory remit.
It is my understanding that EH has olunteered to provide credits at their company. While it would appear that EH is not legally obligated for activities at Forty Plus, it has chosen to assume some responsibility for player funds. Should these new client... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Sirius at January 21, 2004, 8:22 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
received this a few minutes ago:
Quote:
Dear player,
We at OddsOn would like to thank you for your
patience while we were trying to resolve the
Forty Plus Casino situation. Although we were not
successful in acquiring the database we have
been able to ascertain the legitimacy of your
claim.
English Harbour, our top licensee, has olunteered
its services and will be making your money available
at its casino.
Please respond to this email with a confirmation
and approve the transfer of information to English
Harbour, they will open an account in your name where
you may continue playing or withdraw the funds.
Once again we apologize for the inconvenience and
assure you that we have done everything in our power
to resolve this situation.
Thank you,
OddsOn
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| Posted by: Jetset at January 19, 2004, 10:34 pm | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Interesting sideshow on this dispute was the attitude displayed by the Antiguan authorities, to whom several emails were addressed by arious interested parties.
Apparently a discussion was held with Odds On on the island, but the reportback appeared to fudge the result by saying that the Costa Rican and Canadian locations of Odds On placed the company outside the remit of the Antiguan authorities.
That did not explain the Antiguan office address and license details of the company, and further emails were sent pressing the Antiguan official on this question. To date there has been no response, which is not ery smart on their part imo because it creates suspicions.
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| Posted by: theguru at January 18, 2004, 8:08 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
So far we have 2 posts of people having their balances transferred to EH. To me this is a little disheartening as I'm positive that the number of screwed over players is in the 100's. Anyone else who has had their money refunded please post here, but this kinda solidifies the point that with this deadline that Odds On set, many screwed over players wont find out about the solution in time to get refunded. Bravo Odds On, you have once again proven that you are just trying to cover your own a@@ in the cheapest way possible.
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| Posted by: Sirius at January 16, 2004, 8:23 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
The forty plus manager was posting on my board for a while and gave me $200 once into my real player account (I'd already played and come out even before). I cashed out over $400 eventually but not heard from OddsOn since the 5th January email which said they had received my balance details. I emailed them back a few days ago too and not had a response.
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| Posted by: theguru at January 14, 2004, 7:11 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
While I too am grateful for all the work done and applaud the effort let's not forget that while we're patting ourselves on the back it's likely many players who do not access the message boards were not paid. The shady, slipshod manner in which this was handled by OddsOn/English Harbour effectively drops them from the ranks of premier operations to "dubious". There's ery little to be happy about in this episode where the industry gets yet another black eye.
Couldn't agree more GG, why was there a deadline set at all??? Answer, so Odds On could get off cheap!! Players don't be fooled by this gesture of good faith by Odds On,
1) They had to be dragged into this situation by players and webmasters and the general public.
2) The deadline they set for players to get their money back is a method of only having to pay back some of the players and not all of them.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at January 14, 2004, 3:22 am | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
A tip of the hat to everyone who put in the concerted effort to get this done. Have a good one.
While I too am grateful for all the work done and applaud the effort let's not forget that while we're patting ourselves on the back it's likely many players who do not access the message boards were not paid. The shady, slipshod manner in which this was handled by OddsOn/English Harbour effectively drops them from the ranks of premier operations to "dubious". There's ery little to be happy about in this episode where the industry gets yet another black eye.
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| Posted by: cipher at January 13, 2004, 9:12 pm | | Topic: FortyPlus out of business, Odds-On refuses to compensate players. Avoid Odds-On! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by pioneer76
Good news! I can confirm that my closing balance at 40+ has now been transferred to my English Harbor account. THANK YOU all for the many hours of sleuth work and dedication to policing this oft crooked industry.
A tip of the hat to everyone who put in the concerted effort to get this done. Have a good one.
Cipher
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