| Posted by: diamond at March 31, 2004, 1:03 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
I am new to irtual casinos world. I play online for about three-four weeks.Now, when i try to register at any of FL casinos they just don't let me in. In the beginning i was thinking there was some technical problem, but after i tried to register with Desert Dollar casino and again -without success i understood it that my name was locked or something for all FL casinos. The funny thing is i never played even at one FL casino in my whole life. How could that be?
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| Posted by: Crystalyn at March 31, 2004, 11:20 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
I received an email offer from FL
I have had a real money account for a long time
After more than meeting WR I called to erify. I was told that I was required to wager a lot more PLUS only 20 percent of the WR was allowed with BJ thus thousands more needed. They said that the T & C AT TIME OF WITHDRAWAL was what counted even if they changed terms.
I complained and they recanted saying old terms applied and it was for new sign up only, not established customers. It was scary. Glad I pushed the case but should not have been an issue.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at March 30, 2004, 11:28 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by agreeable
When in doubt, call the casino and ask how much you still have to wager before you can cash in.
I have always found the Fortune Lounge group to be thoroughly professional and straightforward and have never had a problem with them.
If they choose the raise the playing requirements, so be it. Remember that their casinos do offer autoplay, which means you can fulfill the requirements while you nap.
FL used to be a good group until a couple of moths ago. Now they seem to be confused and clueless, they are trying to apply the new T&C to bonuses that were given under the old T&C, or to apply the T&C for signup bonuses to other bonuses. Raising WR *after* awarding a bonus is not acceptable.
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| Posted by: agreeable at March 30, 2004, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
When in doubt, call the casino and ask how much you still have to wager before you can cash in.
I have always found the Fortune Lounge group to be thoroughly professional and straightforward and have never had a problem with them.
If they choose the raise the playing requirements, so be it. Remember that their casinos do offer autoplay, which means you can fulfill the requirements while you nap.
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| Posted by: gameworm at March 28, 2004, 10:58 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
Hi All,
As of today 08 March 2004 - Fortune Lounge will no longer be carrying over wagering requirements from one bonus to the next if a player reaches a 0 balance within the time frame of the two bonuses being added.
Regards,
Chad
Definitely a good news for us. I have bad experiences about this with Royal Vegas. I lost all for my first deposit plus bonus before reaching the wager requirement. Later I got an bonus offer by email and I took it. But when I cashed in, I was told that the bonus was forfeited because the wager requirement of the first signup bonus. I have played at other cites of the FortuneLounge group, with or without bonus. It is ok for me to lose money when playing the game, but losing money in such a way is not what I expected.
The thing is that I deposited for the second offer on March 5th, and the bonus was added on March 8th. So I am wondering which policy you would apply,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RoverT at March 19, 2004, 4:07 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Can someone please tell me what the wagering requirements were for a new player at VegasPalms on March 2nd 2004.
I understood it to be 10 times, but FL say it was 20 times. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a screenshot of the T&C.
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| Posted by: DealerBusts at March 18, 2004, 7:45 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Apparently FL have hiked up the wagering requirements at some of its casinos again. I checked out 7sultans and you now have to wager 15x(Deposit & bonus). Oh and that includes the 20% rule on BJ and you play on JoB VP doesn't count either. I wonder if this is the beginning of the end...
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 18, 2004, 3:54 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BJlady
Well it's clear you only want to attract Slots players, but I find some of what you've said contradictory.
The new terms quoted say
The above quote, to me means that if you play BJ, you can play up to $900 and that will count towards the wagering, any more play on BJ is up to the player, but it won't count towards wagering.
Unless I'm wrong, you seem to be saying that of the BJ play, only 20% of it counts e.g. if you only want to play BJ for the bonus out of every $100 played only $20 wiil count.
If you are correct in this, I would revise the terms as they seem to state something different.
Hi BJLady
Let me clarify the Blackjack Clause.
If you are required to wager $1000 in order to cash in any bonus money. Only $200 worth of wagering on Blackjack will count towards meeting the total wagering requirement of $1000 - (20% of $1000 ) You are correct in saying that ' any more play ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at March 17, 2004, 11:32 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
The more convoluted the terms the more inclined I am to believe casino management doesn't know what they're doing. Do yourself a favor and get rid of that asinine 20% rule for blackjack and simply exclude it from play for the signup bonus. Why irritate your new players and undoubtedly cause headaches for your support staff?
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| Posted by: bart at March 17, 2004, 10:53 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
The 20% Blackjack term on the opening offer does not mean that you are unable to play Blackjack. All it means, is that if you have received a signup bonus, only 20% of the wagering from your blackjack play, will count towards meeting the wagering requirement to cash in the bonus. Therefore, if you are a Blackjack player, you are not restricted from playing Blackjack. You can play as much Blackjack as you like.
Hi Chad,
I am a blackjack player because that is what I play in the land casinos. Some baccaret. And I love craps. Wife likes roulette and VP and Slots but geez slots just eat us up so I discourage it.
My suggestion is that you cover off all of them. You would have a material competative advantage as no one else allows slots and craps. But with wagering requirements, why not?
You could basically say as much slots as you want - because you like slot players but allow people t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: raje at March 17, 2004, 10:48 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
i signed up at Fortuneroom through G2B for the exclusive bonus two weeks ago.
There were no such rule as only 20% on BJ play at that time.
Hope you don't do a retro on this.
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| Posted by: NewbieDoobieDo at March 17, 2004, 10:19 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Please clarify "sever(e) bonus abuse." Were the new accounts cheating playing BJ ? Or were they winning too much playing BJ? How does one abuse a bonus when they play per the written rules? Never could understand that (il)logic.
Why not be honest and upfront and just state "we were losing too much money on a low HA game when new users were given free bonus money" so we changed it. That makes sense and is truthful. But "changed due to bonus abuse." Gimme a break.
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
Dear All, <clip> These terms were changed because of sever promotional abuse, particularly by new accounts playing Blackjack.
Chad
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| Posted by: BJlady at March 17, 2004, 5:32 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Well it's clear you only want to attract Slots players, but I find some of what you've said contradictory.
The new terms quoted say
Quote:
Only 20% of the above wagering requirements can be met playing Blackjack e.g. If your required wagering is $4500 ($150 purchase x 15 + $150 bonus x 15) only play on Blackjack up to $900 (20% of $4500) will count towards your total wagering requirement
The above quote, to me means that if you play BJ, you can play up to $900 and that will count towards the wagering, any more play on BJ is up to the player, but it won't count towards wagering.
Unless I'm wrong, you seem to be saying that of the BJ play, only 20% of it counts e.g. if you only want to play BJ for the bonus out of every $100 played only $20 wiil count.
If you are correct in this, I would revise the terms as they seem to state something different.
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 17, 2004, 3:30 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Dear All,
I would like to clarify some of the comments above. Firstly, there has been an amendment to certain of our terms and conditions as of yesterday the 16 March. The changes to the terms and conditions are only applicable to the signup bonuses on new accounts. Therefore, if you are an existing account holder, this does not effect you at all. We feel that we are more than in line with our wagering requirements on our opening offer terms and conditions if you compare them to some of the other well know operations out there.
The 20% Blackjack term on the opening offer does not mean that you are unable to play Blackjack. All it means, is that if you have received a signup bonus, only 20% of the wagering from your blackjack play, will count towards meeting the wagering requirement to cash in the bonus. Therefore, if you are a Blackjack player, you are not restricted from playing Blackjack. You can play as much Blackjack as you like.
These terms were changed because of s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: theguru at March 16, 2004, 12:41 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Wow these are the worst terms I've seen in a while. I guess FL is not looking to attract new players because with those bonus terms I can't imagine any sane person signing up with them. I'm not sure what the point of even offering a bonus is if you restrict game play to basically slots. Oh well, I guess FL has just joined the masses of paranoid casinos who are willing to sacrafice new business to keep a couple bonus hunters from playing. I'm sure these new terms will affect their amount of sign ups and they'll return to their senses. At least the existing users still have tolerable terms but I wouldnt play 10 times deposit and bonus for anything less then a 30% bonus. To each their own I guess though. Disappointing FL.
Cheers
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| Posted by: bart at March 16, 2004, 12:32 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
FL - just a thought.
If you are going to say no more than 20% can be from anyone game, why not broaden that. Maybe allow 10% craps, 10% roulette, 10% VP, 10% baccaret, 10% sicbo etc. The idea being give the player the ability to try a number of different games. Most of us play what we play in Las Vegas (US guys) and learn other things slowly. Slots are rather boring - although I like the new one pretty well.
Just a thought.
bart
PS - I understand the concern about non risk wagers - but with your wagering requirement there really isn't such a thing. In craps, the 12 will kill you. In roulette, the zero will do the same.
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| Posted by: bart at March 16, 2004, 12:23 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by RoverT
Is it true that some of the Fortune Lounge's Bonus T & C have now changed to 15 times playthrough and that only 20% is allowed for Blackjack play?
If so, what date did that start please ? and when does it apply ?
Ouch!!
FL, you guys getting a bit carried away?
Rover, I took a look. I didn't see it at Fortune Room - might need to look again.
At Vegas Palms, they separate the terms between new players and old players.
For new players I see,
"The Vegas Palms sign-up offer is applicable to first-time Real players on the Vegas Palms casino.
Players will be awarded the 100% match bonus on their first purchase by wagering the purchased amount once in full on any games except Craps and Roulette.
Match bonuses will be credited within 24-hours up to a maximum bonus amount of $150.
The following wagering obligations apply prior to cash-in of the bonus: ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RoverT at March 16, 2004, 11:46 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Is it true that some of the Fortune Lounge's Bonus T & C have now changed to 15 times playthrough and that only 20% is allowed for Blackjack play?
If so, what date did that start please ? and when does it apply ?
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 15, 2004, 11:05 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Playtherush
The casinos that the above policy will apply to are:
7sultans casino
Royal Vegas Casino
Vegas Palms Casino
Vegas Villa Casino
Fortune Room Casino
Desert Dollar Casino
Vegas Towers Casino
Havana Club Casino
Diamond Casino
We have not updated our sites as yet. However, we have updated all of our cash-in confirmation mailers to contain the specifics of how we calculate wagering. These mails are sent directly after a cash-in. The sites should be updated shortly.
Regards,
Chad
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| Posted by: Playtherush at March 11, 2004, 12:33 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
Hi All,
As of today 08 March 2004 - Fortune Lounge will no longer be carrying over wagering requirements from one bonus to the next if a player reaches a 0 balance within the time frame of the two bonuses being added.
Regards,
Chad
Could you list all casinos this new policy applies to?
Why isn't this policy or for that matter your previous one of carrying over requirements detailed in your terms?
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| Posted by: dominique at March 10, 2004, 11:35 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Chad,
That sounds a lot better to me.
It is still extremely difficult to explain to newbie players who are recreational players and just want some entertainment, but it is a ast improvement.
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 10, 2004, 12:09 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Bart
That’s correct.
If you take part in a opening offer of 100% up to $100 for example, and you do this on a Monday ( Purchase on Monday and wager your $100 purchase by Tuesday ) you will receive your 100% match on the Tuesday. Wagering on this would be $2000 - Purchase plus bonus x 10 ( excluding the $100 you would have already wagered on your purchase to qualify for the bonus ) Lets say you wager $1700 by Thursday and your account goes to Zero ( without a cash in causing this ) and you receive another bonus on the Friday. The wagering shortfall of $300 on the previous bonus will fall away.
Hope this helps
Regards,
Chad
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| Posted by: bart at March 8, 2004, 9:57 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
Hi All,
As of today 08 March 2004 - Fortune Lounge will no longer be carrying over wagering requirements from one bonus to the next if a player reaches a 0 balance within the time frame of the two bonuses being added.
Regards,
Chad
Hi Chad,
The phrase "within the time frame of the two bonuses being added" confuses me.
So as an example, lets say I get a $20 bonus on a $100 deposit. Now I wager $100 prior to getting the bonus on Monday. Then I receive the bonus on Monday and have to wager $1,200. So my total wagering required is $1,200 + 100 = $1300.
Now lets say after playing $600 total action I bust out and my account goes to zero and prior to accepting any other bonus. So I am short $700.
Lets say I get the same deal the following week. None of the $700 have to be made up. The wagering requirement expired when my balance reached zero. Is that correc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 8, 2004, 12:31 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Hi All,
As of today 08 March 2004 - Fortune Lounge will no longer be carrying over wagering requirements from one bonus to the next if a player reaches a 0 balance within the time frame of the two bonuses being added.
Regards,
Chad
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| Posted by: DrJoy at March 7, 2004, 11:55 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
MAN! That's exactly what I said, if you try to cashin without meeting the wagering they keep the bonus. MAN! Not normally a problem but when combined with carried over wagering requirements it seems an easy mistake to make. MAN! Of course you can always call or whatever, but i do this stuff for fun. MAN!
I've always liked FL and that's why I hope they change their policies.
Puppies don't always give unconditional love. Mine bit me on the arse.
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at March 7, 2004, 6:44 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DrJoy
Man if you don't meet the wagering they keep the bonus? MAN! That means if I don't play a zillion dollars of leftovers I lose my bonus. MAN! I hope they change all this it's too confusing for me. How can I drink and gamble and keep track of everything at the same time! MAN!
My quite, DrJoy. If you try to cashin the bonus before meeting the wagering requirements, they keep the bonus. There are some casinos(although many have gone out of business), that also keep any winnings if you fail to meet wagering requirements. Fortune Lounge has never stooped to that level, as far as I know.
If you don't keep track on your own, you can use Playcheck or you can call customer support and ask about your status before you withdraw. All bonus offers everywhere have terms and conditions. If you want unconditional love, buy a puppy.
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| Posted by: DrJoy at March 7, 2004, 5:29 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Man if you don't meet the wagering they keep the bonus? MAN! That means if I don't play a zillion dollars of leftovers I lose my bonus. MAN! I hope they change all this it's too confusing for me. How can I drink and gamble and keep track of everything at the same time! MAN!
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| Posted by: bart at March 5, 2004, 11:30 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
Hi All,
The announcement that was going to be made regarding the carry over of wagering falling away will still hopefully be made this week. I am waiting on final status results of how far the process is from implementation, and will notify everyone when we are ready to launch.
Regards,
Chad
Hi Chad,
Is today the day?
bart
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at March 2, 2004, 6:11 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Using cards to count how much I wager can be ery accurate. After wagering one thousands of units, the error is usually within 2-3 units. I myself hate any mistake so I prefer to use something simple, yet reliable way to count. Counting wager with double/split etc can be a bit difficult to me, also if I bet more or less there is no way for me to remember how much I've bet after awhile. By using cards I can just drop extra cards when I wager more. Also I'll know exactly how much I played so far so I have a little program on excel which tell me how likely I'll come ahead in the end.
Back to the topic, I hope FL can make the announcement soon. Please also tell us which casinos of yours use new WR system (10xd+b). Well informed players are more likely to be regular, happy customers in the long run. Don't you agree?
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at March 2, 2004, 10:31 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
I count in my head, too. It works really well for the old style MG software, I count one every time I hit "deal", "split" or "double", this way I count the number of units I bet. On occasion I counted several hundred hands with perfect accuracy.
You can use the comp points to track the amount wagered, but this is not always immediate.
You can also estimate the number of hands from the length of time you play and your playing speed, this can be accurate within 10 or 20%.
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| Posted by: DealerBusts at March 2, 2004, 9:12 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie
Normally I used a deck of cards (minus 2) to count how much I played.
Thats not a bad idea. I usually do the counting in my head although i've lost count on a few occasions. However it generally works for me and i've gotten so use to it that it doesn't tax me too much mentally
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at March 2, 2004, 1:09 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Hi All,
Wim is on leave for the next few weeks - I will be standing in for him during that time.
The announcement that was going to be made regarding the carry over of wagering falling away will still hopefully be made this week. I am waiting on final status results of how far the process is from implementation, and will notify everyone when we are ready to launch.
Regards,
Chad
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| Posted by: bart at March 1, 2004, 7:51 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie
Normally I used a deck of cards (minus 2) to count how much I played.
Nice idea Mr. Freebie. You have to bet flat but that is probably best with the long WRs.
Another idea is to use poker chips. Toss em in a bowl as I go. Same principal as yours, but I could ary my bet that way.
I wonder where FL is? They were going to make an announcement about the carryover ages ago. I checked at Bet2Gamble. Nothing over there either.
bart
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at February 27, 2004, 11:26 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Normally I used a deck of cards (minus 2) to count how much I played.
I started with the deck face up and drop one card at a time whenever I placed a bet. After the 50 cards are dropped, I turn the deck up side down and do it again. That way when I have a deck of cards laying on the table face down, I know I had played 100 units. I then stack a coin on the desk. Simple as that.
It's easy and every accurate, even a biginner can count with his/her left hand only. Keeping a good records make me aware of how much I win/lost, and how likely the game is random.
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| Posted by: bart at February 27, 2004, 10:10 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by NK123
Excel cutting and pasting to me seems ery tedious and not reliable. Doesn't Playcheck only show your last 7 days of play? I don't know about you, but there's been plenty of times when I'll go 7 days between playing. Got a job and family to fill in the spaces.
Having gotten burned on this before, I wish Playcheck went back longer than 7 days or that the casinos would answer more directly when asked.
-NK
Thats a good point. That's happened to me before but I was pretty sure I was way over.
Plus, there is a delay sometimes to posting. I have seen it take 24 hours so you can easily forget.
Your right, this isn't the best solution. Only one I can offer though.
I have started playing cryptos and the logs give you your total wagers by session. That's pretty cool.
With FL, you can call and ask but I always feel wierd about that.
bart
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| Posted by: NK123 at February 27, 2004, 9:17 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Renegs on Bonus Forum: Winner Online |
Excel cutting and pasting to me seems ery tedious and not reliable. Doesn't Playcheck only show your last 7 days of play? I don't know about you, but there's been plenty of times when I'll go 7 days between playing. Got a job and family to fill in the spaces.
Having gotten burned on this before, I wish Playcheck went back longer than 7 days or that the casinos would answer more directly when asked.
-NK
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