| Posted by: tonyd at April 27, 2004, 4:30 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
Well, if there is such a system it failed spectacularly in the Pirate case.
I didn't mean to imply that RTG actually adjusts the payouts to the player. I only stated that the RTG software can track the player's accuracy. When playing a game with a house edge for the casino, regardless of how accurately you play the casino will eventually win. By the same token, even with a house edge, sometimes a player gets ery lucky. In the Pirate case the player hit a winning streak and the casino made bad decisions regarding the table limits.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at April 27, 2004, 3:30 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tonyd
Since these games are dealt by a computer it would be easy to reduce the payout to winners or complainers or people who use bonuses or people who play too well. We know that RTG software can determine and track how accurately a player plays.
Well, if there is such a system it failed spectacularly in the Pirate case.
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| Posted by: tonyd at April 27, 2004, 3:02 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by katrin
Do you think a casino can actually control who gets paid and who doesn't? It sounds like this global casino is ripping people off big time. To reduce the pay of 4 of a kind to 100 is pure highway robbery, even if you keep full houses and flushes at full pay.
There is no question in my mind that they "could" control who gets paid, the big question is do they actually do it?
Since these games are dealt by a computer it would be easy to reduce the payout to winners or complainers or people who use bonuses or people who play too well. We know that RTG software can determine and track how accurately a player plays.
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| Posted by: katrin at April 26, 2004, 10:37 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Do you think a casino can actually control who gets paid and who doesn't? It sounds like this global casino is ripping people off big time. To reduce the pay of 4 of a kind to 100 is pure highway robbery, even if you keep full houses and flushes at full pay.
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| Posted by: digikk at April 22, 2004, 2:13 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
For those wondering how the progressives aren't explodingly high....just sharing and you draw your own conclusions.....
Happy Gambling! and better luck to you all!
04/08/2004
'Thanks again Patrice...I have another item for you to forward to them ....It's not good news...The progressives progress in play for fun mode.....I was just playing for fun the five jokers progressive and logged back into real mode and it is exactly where it was when I played it for fun.'
Reply: After stating their must be a logical explanation and checking with Tech Support..............
"Thank you for your patience.
I have good an not so good news for you. Let's start with the good part:
(Good part???)
When you play with our Guest Games, you get a isual copy of the Real
Money Games, but when you play, no updates are done to them.
(This is true now, but I swear to God, it was too progressing...all fixed up though now...WOW)
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| Posted by: lsps2002 at April 21, 2004, 10:05 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Since I don't believe any casino, online especially ... uses a random number generator I can't really believe any stats or percentages I see or experience.
Odds or Luck
A couple of months ago I played DDB Progressive at Harrahs NKC ... after 20 minutes of play I hit the royal for $1,117 .... not 15 minutes later I hit another royal for $1,010 on the same machine.
A few weeks later I was playing Bonus Poker .05 ... a couple hours into it I hit the royal ... literally 10 hands later another royal. .. c'mon
I've heard of plenty of poker players, 7 stud, 5 draw, etc., that have played all their lives and NEVER drew or dealt a royal flush. I think those ideo poker machines shuffle their cards funny.
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| Posted by: DealerBusts at April 21, 2004, 6:32 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tonyd
The bottom line is that I have played 448,000 hands since my last royal at Global in September of last year. The 99.5% is somewhat misleading because it encompasses my total play at Global Player and is not representative of my play since September.
How many royal-less hands does it take before you can reasonably conclude that something is amiss?
That is certainly a lot of hands of VP. I was planning to play the full pay machinese at VP because it seemed so enticing. However after a couple of hundred hands of full pay deuce wilds, i realised that it would take a while to realise that 100.7% payout with a quite a large bankroll needed (and risk involved) at the $1.25 level so i gave up. If i had played 448,000 hands without a royal i would be soooooooooo p*ssed.
I don't play much VP but I think I hit my one and only royal in less than 15k hands. I don't know if someone is having a huge amount of luck to make up for what yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: gamblinboi at April 21, 2004, 5:43 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tonyd
How many royal-less hands does it take before you can reasonably conclude that something is amiss?
Excellent question. Despite (and even because?) being up thousands at Global Player, what if this is one of their ways of making some cash? Let you win a few jackpots, get you hooked, and then flick the switch so that you piss away thousands hoping to make it up with that next big win. No disrespect to Global Player, but any reasonable player could see how a casino might do this.
While I do agree with freebie that this event isn't that outwards, I also have to wonder if tonyd might be on to something here. Could someone with even more knowledge comment on the above quote (Hoiw many royal-less hands does it take ... ) ?
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| Posted by: tonyd at April 21, 2004, 4:54 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie
Fair enough.
I don't intend to give anyone a lesson. I just express my own opinion.
My point is, 1 in 665 event is not rare enough to prove an unfair game.
I'll drop this thread. Everyone can make their own mind by reading the material posted.
Actually, what I have reported so far is only part of the story. The total picture is even worse. When I started at Global, I did pretty well and was up by a fair amount. Since September of last year I have been in a downward spiral that has continued without interuption. This is even confirmed by Global Player itself:
Quote:
Dear Mr. Unlucky,
Thank you for your patience.
In the meantime I have received a reply from our technical department.
Their investigations came to following result:
Your last RF was on September 5th. Since then, you have played 187062
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 21, 2004, 4:25 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Tonyd knows his ideo poker inside out and he certainly doesn't need any lessons on ariance. If he suspects foul play at Global Player and has the numbers to back it up, I'd listen to him.
Fair enough.
I don't intend to give anyone a lesson. I just express my own opinion.
My point is, 1 in 665 event is not rare enough to prove an unfair game.
I'll drop this thread. Everyone can make their own mind by reading the material posted.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 21, 2004, 1:03 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tonyd
Actually the 6.5 royals is pretty close. You are correct that some royals average more than 40,000 hands, but I also played progressives when the royal cycle with optimum play was under 35,000. The 40000 average is pretty close for the games I played.
As far as not losing ery much with an over 100% game, how about losing over $7500 with most of my play on .25 games. These were either single line or 3 line progressives. I also played the .05 3 line progressive during this time.
The total return during this time was 96.4%. I did not play any bad games during this run. I used the optimum strategy for the game I was playing at the time, either the Happy Hour Machines or progressives with a high jackpot.
I have run numerous simulations of the games I played with Winpoker and not once did I get this kind of result with the simultion over the number of hands I played. The results I have achieved at Global are extremely improbable.
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| Posted by: tonyd at April 21, 2004, 3:02 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie
I think you got the 6.5 royals by using 1 royal for every 40k hands. The problem is that the odds of royal is a bit less on many types of VPs. Let's say with double joker VP (during the happy hours) the chance of hitting a royal is 1 in 45074, not 40k. In this case you are only 5.8 royal behind.
It's indeed pretty bad luck. It happens only 1 in 320. With over 100% payback you shouldn't loose much even without RF. I myself have seen much worse loosing streak when I play with MG, RTG, cryptologic and BM casinos.
I don't think they have any reason to alter the odds just for you. Maybe it's randomly selected? Still it doesn't make much sense to me.
Actually the 6.5 royals is pretty close. You are correct that some royals average more than 40,000 hands, but I also played progressives when the royal cycle with optimum play was under 35,000. The 40000 average is pretty close for the games I played.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 20, 2004, 8:35 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tonyd
Since the beginning of this year I have played over 260,000 final hands of VP at Global without a single royal flush. I have played mainly the Happy Hour machines and the progressives when they get high enough. This means that I am over 6.5 royals behind the expected curve. In my mind this is a ery ulikely event in a truly random game.
I think you got the 6.5 royals by using 1 royal for every 40k hands. The problem is that the odds of royal is a bit less on many types of VPs. Let's say with double joker VP (during the happy hours) the chance of hitting a royal is 1 in 45074, not 40k. In this case you are only 5.8 royal behind.
It's indeed pretty bad luck. It happens only 1 in 320. With over 100% payback you shouldn't loose much even without RF. I myself have seen much worse loosing streak when I play with MG, RTG, cryptologic and BM casinos.
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| Posted by: tonyd at April 20, 2004, 4:05 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie
Good point.
Global player's progressive VP still offer excellent pay table even though they redice the payline on 4 oak. Their VP often offer over 100% payout once their progressive jackpot is big enough.
While it is true that it appears that Global Player offers good games, I am beginning to wonder. My own results have been abysmal for months.
Since the beginning of this year I have played over 260,000 final hands of VP at Global without a single royal flush. I have played mainly the Happy Hour machines and the progressives when they get high enough. This means that I am over 6.5 royals behind the expected curve. In my mind this is a ery ulikely event in a truly random game.
I know that some people do well at Global and when I first started playing there, I did pretty good too. If there ever was a casino that can adjust the results for each individual player I would have to suspect Global of doing that.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 18, 2004, 10:43 pm | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
Good point.
Every serious VP player should get winpoker and VPSM. These two software should give you the payout, ariance and best strategy for most paytable.
Global player's progressive VP still offer excellent pay table even though they reduce the payline on 4 oak. Their VP often offer over 100% payout once their progressive jackpot is big enough.
Check this site for the recent payout of most progressive VP.
http://www.slotcharts.com/videopoker.php
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| Posted by: tonyd at April 18, 2004, 10:01 am | | Topic: The good and the bad of online Video Poker Forum: Winner Online |
A recent trend that I have noticed in online VP is the systematic reduction of VP payouts. This is most noticable at the RTG casinos where each individual game can be set by the casino operator. Even within the same game different denominations can have different paytables. In effect this gives the casinos a license to steal from the uninformed ideo poker player.
Some casinos that I know have changed their VP payouts for the worse recently are Phoenician, Giant Vegas, Cool Cat, and Shark. Global Player has reduced the paytables on at least one of their progressive games.
If we analyze the effect of the standard Jacks or Better game, we can see the results on the players' bankroll. The following payouts are the standard full pay for a Las Vegas casino. These are the standard payouts for what is commonly called 9/6 Jacks or Better in that the 1 coin return for a Full house is 9 coins and for a flush it is 6 coins.
Royal Flush - 4000
Straight Flush - 250
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