| Posted by: FourTeller at June 11, 2006, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: PokerBonusWhore wrote: Let's get this thread back on track. Best bonus out there for a NL player is by far BetFred.
What network is BetFred on, couldn't seem to find the BW page for it.
Thanks.
It's on the iPoker network.
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| Posted by: bedofnails at June 11, 2006, 2:14 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | PokerBonusWhore wrote: Let's get this thread back on track. Best bonus out there for a NL player is by far BetFred.
What network is BetFred on, couldn't seem to find the BW page for it.
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| Posted by: PokerBonusWhore at June 11, 2006, 1:38 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Let's get this thread back on track. Best bonus out there for a NL player is by far BetFred.
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| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 11, 2006, 12:56 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | hackmage wrote:
I hate to nit pick, but there is actually one evidenced case of "rigging". I believe it was PlanetPoker wayyy back. It wasn't so much rigged as their RNG wasn't very good and some college kids wrote a script that could show you your opp.s possible holdings, and the possible flops. After the flop I'm fairly certain it nailed all of them something like 97% of the time. It's been fixed since then, and there hasn't been anymore documented cases.
Unless of course you count some of the "best" MTT players online playing multiple accounts. All bow down to the greatness that is JJProd's grandma.
You know, I have heard this rumor for some time, but never seen any evidence of it published anywhere, despite looking for something in print about it. I have always concluded that it was a rumor meant in some way to trash Planet Poker, because at the time this rumor first surfaced, Planet was one of the bigger players in online poker (this all circulat... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hackmage at June 11, 2006, 7:23 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicodemus wrote: MyTurn2Raise wrote: good response Zacard
there is nothing ridiculous about being suspicious when risking money in a dubious online gaming field--there have been issues many times before and I expect more into the future
I was just thinking about your previous response before this one when I read this. I'm sorry, but the statement "there have been issues many times before and I expect more into the future" is just plain ridiculous. Poker sites are NOT casino sites, and I defy you to quote ONE evidenced case of a poker site being rigged (apart from the presence of bots on some sites, which is hardly 'rigging'). For the record, I have over 4 million hands in my database and guess what, almost every starting hand comes out somewhere around standard deviation. Guess what else, I win about 11% of all hands dealt - imagine that. Guess what, AA REALLY is 70% against the field. Guess what else, an ace REALLY does hit a the flop about 28% of the ti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gosten at June 9, 2006, 6:31 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | I think B2B is the best network of them all. Many think that its a rigged site as i can understand, but rigs only exist in your mind, when you lose.
So i give you a signup code which is great : Signup with the bonuscode : Greatdeal
and gett 100% bonus up 600 Euro. You will recieve your bonus with 20 Euro on every 100th vip point you collect.
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 9, 2006, 11:14 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | I just looked it up...I'm a losting player at B2B even with bonuses (about 100 Euro)
yikes
no wonder I'm looking for alternate explanations
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| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 9, 2006, 10:58 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | This thread really does bowl me over. First it's all about how much peope lose at B2B - then when the heavy criticism, graphs showing winning and other big guns come out, it's all about how people are ALL winning players.
You know the funny thing, whenever I'm at a live game, I NEVER meet a player who isn't a winning player online.
This place is starting to sound a lot like a live game...........
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| Posted by: grimgrin at June 9, 2006, 8:48 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Few quick points:
Players on B2B are better post flop on average than most other networks IMO - you have to put in a decent set of money to just find out where you are really at if the pot has money in it to start - so this contributes to the big swings. B2B has taught me to respect position more than before as they make it expensive to play OOP. Semi-bluffs are a big part of the game here.
Games are SH which also contributes to high variance. Lack of full ring (only 8 handed) means that if you are having a tough day at SH you can't switch over to take it easy for a bit and cool down.
Finally, even though it is 5x, the 5x clears at the same hourly rate at NL100 as a 10x on Party. If you go higher NL, or play limit 2-4, it'll clear faster than party 10x. So, I am not saying it is sustainable, but just to remember that it is about a 10x in some situations (and higher than 10x at lower limits) and closer to a 5x at the higher limits, which are the limits that generate more ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: guardianx at June 9, 2006, 7:28 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | yeah b2b is rig they let me win so much money.... i will play there until i can't win no more..
i love this rig network
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| Posted by: flux at June 9, 2006, 5:41 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | as i said..i dont think its rigged.. i even read the report from itech or some lab/testing thingie.. they tested to see if the cards where as random as it should in theory.. and it was right.. so i dont think its rigged..
to be honest i think people chase more on b2b and when they hit it makes us (the one loosing) suspicious/angry well you name it.. and when you are angry/mad you want to share this feeling with others.. it helps (yes..we humans work that way) ..
so when someone is starting a thread about it.. all the responses in it will be about "yes.. someone hit that 1 outer" .. or "yea.. i think its rigged" .. because.. someone who is winning at the moment doesnt feel like he has anything to say in that discussion..
you see where im going?
i lost about 500 euro in 5-7 days.. maybe im just having a bad run..(i dont tilt) so i decided to not play for 7-10 days.. because i know most of my winnings is to cut my losses (hey.. you cant win all the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Verdi at June 9, 2006, 5:13 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Well, i don't really think it's rigged. The rig is only in my mind.
As for being a good player. I'm not the greatest but I have numbers similar to your graph on the tribeca network. Still only 20k hands equally divided between NL$100 and NL$200. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 9, 2006, 12:48 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | I agree, I don't think the 5X bonus model is sustainable either, and I think that is why there are problems being reported this month with many of the 5x bonuses over at B2BHeaven. Also note that many of the sites that offered 5x signup bonuses in the past, have long since amended their signup bonuses. I have often made arguments in the past about the problems with unsustainable bonuses (and their inevitable "abuse" or overuse).
The old crypto bonuses are now gone because the sites that ran them LOST MONEY on those bonuses when they were available. But the system is self-correcting. As time goes on, these sites will change their structures to maintain a profitable bonus (as both Crypto and OnGame have done).
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 9, 2006, 12:15 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | well thought out response Nicodemus
you have bested me in battle
I'm probably just bitchy because I recently finished 2 very unsuccessful bonus chases at B2B (well, barely positive with the 5X--which is almost the same as losing). It's been that way on nearly all my chases there. Anyone I talked to, also failed to win there and these are players I know to be winners without bonus incentives. I began to get suspicious.
Mainly, it's the business model
There are always 5X bonuses. I'm wondering how the network can support that????? Especially, when it seems that 80%+ of players are on a bonus. argh...i'm tired and not getting to the point like I want to. I don't see constant 5X bonuses as a viable method for network growth, so I'm wondering what is really going on.
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| Posted by: mompoker at June 9, 2006, 12:04 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | | wow quite a response against the B2B... no wonder I never see any of you guys at the tables. thanks for the ladbrokes and sportingodds | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 8, 2006, 11:36 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | MyTurn2Raise wrote: good response Zacard
there is nothing ridiculous about being suspicious when risking money in a dubious online gaming field--there have been issues many times before and I expect more into the future
I was just thinking about your previous response before this one when I read this. I'm sorry, but the statement "there have been issues many times before and I expect more into the future" is just plain ridiculous. Poker sites are NOT casino sites, and I defy you to quote ONE evidenced case of a poker site being rigged (apart from the presence of bots on some sites, which is hardly 'rigging'). For the record, I have over 4 million hands in my database and guess what, almost every starting hand comes out somewhere around standard deviation. Guess what else, I win about 11% of all hands dealt - imagine that. Guess what, AA REALLY is 70% against the field. Guess what else, an ace REALLY does hit a the flop about 28% of the time.
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| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at June 8, 2006, 10:45 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | MyTurn2Raise wrote: gmafb Nicodemus
I've played many hours with you (or at least screennames very similar to you) and you should know that after many, many thousands of hands on many different sites, I'm a winner. It isn't even close according to the math equations either...I think the last time I checked, it would be nearly a 6 sigma event for me to have my results and be a loser.
I just get an uneasy feeling about B2B after many chases there. Something tells me it isn't on the up and up. I'm not a tinfoil hat type of guy. I hate to even write this. But it's in black-and-white in front of me.
MyTurn2Raise, I often find myself talking like you, I dont believe B2B is rigged for a second but I have seen some shit there that makes you scratch your head. Im talking about BB leading into me with 7-9 on 66J board. Thats understandable, now I know hes a fish so i re raise with my 8-8. He calls and hits. Yes mathmatically I want him making that call, but you ha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 8, 2006, 9:26 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | good response Zacard
there is nothing ridiculous about being suspicious when risking money in a dubious online gaming field--there have been issues many times before and I expect more into the future
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| Posted by: Zacard at June 8, 2006, 9:07 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | One last thing I want to add.
I think that low/mid stakes No Limit games are better at many other places including Party Poker, however after reading the suspicious posts about the network somehow being rigged I just had to chip in, its a ridiculous accusation. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Zacard at June 8, 2006, 8:37 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Do most of you play the fixed limit tables? If so I can understand that tight tables are a big concern.
No limit is a game of punishing bad players for their poor post flop decisions.
If the game plays overly tight then keep taking down those unwanted pots until the tight asses start playing outside of their comfort zone.
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 8, 2006, 7:41 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | gmafb Nicodemus
I've played many hours with you (or at least screennames very similar to you) and you should know that after many, many thousands of hands on many different sites, I'm a winner. It isn't even close according to the math equations either...I think the last time I checked, it would be nearly a 6 sigma event for me to have my results and be a loser.
I just get an uneasy feeling about B2B after many chases there. Something tells me it isn't on the up and up. I'm not a tinfoil hat type of guy. I hate to even write this. But it's in black-and-white in front of me.
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| Posted by: Poo_Poo at June 8, 2006, 7:04 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | i wont say im a bad poker player , i do quite well on prima without bonus , i do very well at party without bonus , and also on tribeca etc.
At f.e. pokerroom i dont do that well but i know why since they dont offer 6 max tables wich i usually play . Because of that on pokerroom f.e. im more a "breakeven or win little including the bonus whore" . But the cards and players are just usual poker players , i d never say something is not ok with it .
Well but on B2B it seems like i cant win , i ve played 2 x 600 € Boni so far and both times i lost about 400 - 500 € and then got the 600 Bonus wich makes me a profit of ~ 150 € each .
I wont say thats nothing , but im used to win money just by my play and not just by the bonus . if f.e. i clear a 50 $ tribeca bonus i usually finish up 150 - 200 playing 6 max 1/2 LHE .
On B2B it just seems i have to try to loose as less as i can but whatever i do i will lose there . PLay ultra tight , play another game ( Omaha ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hobgoblins at June 8, 2006, 5:31 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | I am averaging a profit of about .7 the bonus + the bonus, so no complaints here.
The site does have a very different style of players than any of the other sites I play at.
The site seems rigged everytime I play there, but maybe it is just an illusion because of the higher ratio of chasers AND very strong players.
There doesn't seem to be as many of the nice passive low stress money makers at the site. In addition the rake structure is aggressive. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: flux at June 8, 2006, 5:07 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | | lots of good thoughts.. and my guess is that you are a winning player at b2b? .. what stakes do you play? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 8, 2006, 4:55 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | As far as I'm concerned, this entire thread is simply a testament to my long held theory that most of you bonuswhores are simply dreadfully bad poker players. The only reason most people who post and read this site haven't remortgaged their houses is because of the hoards of generous bonuses that are out there and the fact that the average bonuswhore is probably a marginally better player than the average fish who logs on to a poker a site.
If you are chronically losing money (before the bonus) at B2B or any other network for that matter, the problem isn't that people chase too much or that people are too tight or that the site is rigged - the problem is that your poker skills are not up the task of winning. It is absolutely hilarious reading the complaints that "people chase too much" - isn't that EXACTLY the sort of player you WANT? Someone who is chasing trying to hit their garbage against better hands? If those players didn't exist, you'd never get paid off. Whining that your goo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 8, 2006, 4:37 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | xxdemexx wrote: I'm a NL player.I've done a number of these and have come out ok onmost of them I was down on topranked because I played a few MTT's for fun and didn't place.
These guys are not interested in top pair and play deep stack accordingly. The str8 forward way to take them - in the absence of PokerTracker - is to short stack... Put all your money in on top pair and remove value from thier suited/unsuited wired connectors...lol... It brain death poker but it works... IMO this is the Scandos major weakness.. they look at pretty suited cards call your 6bb preflop then kick them selves when they realise you've nothing left in your stack once you've potted it.
that's what i thought and the adjustment I made for awhile
didn't work
they still chased
and the still hit
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| Posted by: Savnnah at June 8, 2006, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | 1. ladbrokes - 5x any stakes doesn't get any better
2. sportingodds - 5x also, but no neteller(?)
are these reviewed on the site i didn't see them. If not were is the best site to read reviews on them?
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| Posted by: flux at June 8, 2006, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | is there anyone here who is actually a winning player at B2B? dont get me wrong.. Im plus at b2b (without the bonus i wouldnt) .. but last two weeks my bankroll suffered some major hits..
but i have noticed that all my losses is from cashgame .. when i play sit n go (5+0.50) i place in moneyspot 7 of 10 times mostly first place...
am i better at sit n go or is it something beyond my understanding.. well not saying the site is rigged.. but im saying we should all stop playing there before they give us our money back =)
naa im just frustrated =)
back to topic .. best bonuses (in my opinion) are bet365, party and paradise (beware of the shitty software tho, paradise should consider a new client) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xxdemexx at June 8, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | It's been two years since I played Tribeca - - do they have 8 max tables? Couldn't coment on relative flop entries.
I don't thinkthe B2B's are easy to beat - they really enjoy their post-flop play. But to do this they tend to limp in OOP - so aim for TP in late - don't mess around with the bets -- 4bb+1bb /limper. . If you hit 1.5x pot is still going to attract draws.. Just push and let them do the lottery... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Verdi at June 8, 2006, 12:50 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | xxdemexx wrote: I'm a NL player.I've done a number of these and have come out ok onmost of them I was down on topranked because I played a few MTT's for fun and didn't place.
These guys are not interested in top pair and play deep stack accordingly. The str8 forward way to take them - in the absence of PokerTracker - is to short stack... Put all your money in on top pair and remove value from thier suited/unsuited wired connectors...lol... It brain death poker but it works... IMO this is the Scandos major weakness.. they look at pretty suited cards call your 6bb preflop then kick them selves when they realise you've nothing left in your stack once you've potted it.
The average pot and % to see the flop is a LOT higher at Tribeca. I don't see how you think B2B players are somehow looser or wilder than anyone else. I think the opposite is true. You don't get paid enough on your good hands so when you do a mistake and lose a buyin it's damn hard to get it back.
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| Posted by: xxdemexx at June 8, 2006, 12:30 pm | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm a NL player.I've done a number of these and have come out ok onmost of them I was down on topranked because I played a few MTT's for fun and didn't place.
These guys are not interested in top pair and play deep stack accordingly. The str8 forward way to take them - in the absence of PokerTracker - is to short stack... Put all your money in on top pair and remove value from thier suited/unsuited wired connectors...lol... It brain death poker but it works... IMO this is the Scandos major weakness.. they look at pretty suited cards call your 6bb preflop then kick them selves when they realise you've nothing left in your stack once you've potted it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Crack AA Ho at June 8, 2006, 11:03 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Ah hell, while we're sharing our bad b2b stories I might as well vent mine.
Started with bestpoker, this was before I'd even heard about b2b, it was 10x €100 max. Deposited €200 and in my first session was stacked twice at 50nl with two set over sets, having a set over set is usually a rare occasion for me, but to happen twice in one session was really not the best of starts. Did stick it out though and thanks to the bonus and cashing in a couple of sng's using vip points as buyins did finish up a little. Then gave martins 5x €600 a shot, never had a decent run, it is one of the few times I've just decided to cut it loose half way through to break even, well just.
Time to relegate b2b to the bottom of the list, as the worst of the best bonuses. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: maxcavsm at June 8, 2006, 10:40 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Since this thread has officially been hijacked, I have managed to "survive" through three bonuses at B2B. Broke even one my first, lost 100 on my second, and went full on gonzo tilt on the third, but still managed to clear 100 Euro. It wasn't pretty, but I also play tight tight tight poker. I get run over a lot, and I'm sure people are stealing my blinds left and right, but the "siege" technique seems to work well there. Play 1-2 hands an hour, and even the crazies seem to get out of your way.
Not to say I haven't had my suckouts...but don't expect to be playing a lot of actual hands there. It's more like trying to pull a plane out of a nosedive at that place. I start at 600 Euro, and try to see how much money I WON'T lose.
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 8, 2006, 10:34 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | good...i'm not alone in my feelings
I've tried 4 of the bigger sized bonuses now and none have faired that particularly well
I'm used to tight sites and whatnot
What I'm seeing here just goes a little beyond that
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I might even skip 5X bonuses there in the future
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| Posted by: terrellk11 at June 8, 2006, 9:50 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: FWIW, I also do very poorly at B2B. Definitely not saying its rigged, just saying it sucks
What is the deal with 8-max for full sized NL? I just don't get it, especially since they use 10-max for Limit.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at June 8, 2006, 9:49 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | | FWIW, I also do very poorly at B2B. Definitely not saying its rigged, just saying it sucks | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Crack AA Ho at June 8, 2006, 7:05 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Wasn't this supposed to be best bonuses? Shows how they can be a double edge sword. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ruestm at June 8, 2006, 7:03 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | i have some variance at other sites.. but not like B2B... losing 300 euros at 50NL when i bring stacks of 20 euros at a time is huge.
one night went down for 150.... it was to a point that i could almost tell what was going to happen... and its not hands i could get away from..... something like A10 os in my BB... flop come AA2.... and somebody limped in with A2 suited... even if i raised it preflop... they all call with A-rag anyways.
If i return there.. i might try some limit... at least i wouldn`t lose my stack each time..... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: numptie at June 8, 2006, 6:41 am | | Topic: Best Bonuses? Forum: Bonus Whores | Wierd,
I've played about 20 sites and I tried B2B about 4 times and got hammered every time even when I went tight-passive. I put it down to variance but its strange to see others observing the same thing. | | Static Link |
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