| Posted by: Gamblegirl at September 20, 2004, 12:55 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dave R
WHY? Because if they cheat this time, I'll have enough evidence to go to 60 Minutes, 20/20, and other known media outlets and expose them.
There is no news alue in such exposure whatsoever. Joe Public, if he thinks about it at all, assumes all online casino gambling to be "rigged" anyway (that is, set payouts based on play) and would just laugh if you suggested otherwise. Extreme skepticism has kept this industry from growing, coupled with less than savory industry figures and practices over the years.
Now if you could convince 60 Minutes that George Bush spends his leisure time playing keno online you might get somewhere. (I'll write the note that says so for you.)
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| Posted by: Dave R at September 20, 2004, 9:06 am | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Even with a large sample it is still ery difficult to prove foul play on the part of MG. I personally have recorded over 100,000 hands of the old MG single-deck (but certain hands weren't played accurately as per the Wiz's chart and I had to exclude those).
I experienced a horrible losing streak on all large bets, but smaller bets were won much more frequently than I should have. All in all, the % of wins/losses/pushes and number of bj's are right in line within expectation (As per the Gamemasteronline.com "Is This Game Rigged" Article.
So, if there is a cheat mode, it is directly correlated with a players BET SIZE.
100,000 hands is a big enough sample to convince me to be ery suspicious.
I now flat bet at all MGS sites that allow bj play(to hunt for the bonuses), and no longer have to worry about getting a crooked game. WHY? Because if they cheat this time, I'll have enough evidence to go to 60 Minutes, 20/20, and other known media outlets and expos... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: onemorebet at September 17, 2004, 5:39 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
Oh yes, you're playing that joint that I told you to stay away from. How are you doing . If I can help give me a hollar. Have a good one.
Ahhhh Ciper, I didn’t know you isited here too. I’m doing well, thanks for asking. Yes you did tell me to stay away, and I should have listened.
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| Posted by: cipher at September 17, 2004, 4:34 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by onemorebet
I am trying to up-load my first sesseion, but when I click up load it states "file(s) loading" - please wait. Then it stops and nothing is up-loaded. Am I doing something wrong.
Oh yes, you're playing that joint that I told you to stay away from. How are you doing . If I can help give me a hollar. Have a good one.
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| Posted by: onemorebet at September 17, 2004, 3:24 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
I am trying to up-load my first sesseion, but when I click up load it states "file(s) loading" - please wait. Then it stops and nothing is up-loaded. Am I doing something wrong.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at September 17, 2004, 12:34 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment
Doing my job for me, eh?
Yeah, I would agree with 0 wins in 50 hands, no questions asked - but as a general rule you cannot work with samples as small as those posted.
Someone elsewhere has calculated that the SD for the first two events was 1.7 - hardly mind-boggling. But since I am no expert on SD, and I am not a mathematician, I should defer to those with the knowledge. I'm only going based on my own personal experience at a land-based casino playing sic bo - the dice defied gravity, I swear they did, but there was no evidence that the casino was cheating. The odds on my streak (26 rolls without a six showing on any die) were calculated at something like 1.5 million to one - and I have no idea what the SD is but I bet you it is much further out than you will find with the samples that are being promised.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at September 17, 2004, 7:16 am | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet
As for me, I have no comment - but I am going to point out that the samples which are to be provided are way too small to draw a conclusion with any reasonable amount of certainty.
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment as I see this argument bandied about all the time, small samples can give more than reasonable levels of certainty. For example, if you were to play 50 hands of blackjack and lose every single one the probability of this event occuring following basic strategy is 0, for all intents and purposes.
Perhaps when you table your stats someone can determine just how many SD's your results were off expectation.
>2.0 is annoying but happens
>3.0 is rare
>4.0 is troubling / or evidence of cheating
>5.0 the casino operators should be shot
(And I think I'm on the conservative side with these numbers.)
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at September 17, 2004, 6:34 am | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
DaveR will be in here soon enough, I know he's active elsewhere
As for me, I have no comment - but I am going to point out that the samples which are to be provided are way too small to draw a conclusion with any reasonable amount of certainty.
I hate bad luck too - but I don't call it cheating or rigged.
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| Posted by: onemorebet at September 16, 2004, 5:51 pm | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by NewbieDoobieDo
Were you using autoplay or your own "strategy." The number of wins s losses means nothing if you aren't playing correctly.
I have been playing on land and on-line for many years and I play BS. Even though I have been playing for years, I still keep a small chart from the wiz's site for MG basic strategy just to be sure. When playing online I may accidentally click on the wrong button from time to time. However, that has not happened in these sessions. I use to be a $25 and up bettor and on several occasions I could win several thousand dollars. Now I have been wagering small amounts, $1 - $12 and cannot even profit 50 bucks or even $25. But to answer your question, I do play perfect basic strategy. As soon as I get all the hands copied and pasted into my paint shop I will be posting them here.
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| Posted by: onemorebet at September 16, 2004, 10:04 am | | Topic: MG - Wild Jack Casino, FAIR? Forum: Winner Online |
I believe MG Wild Jack Casino is not dealing a fair game. I will be posting my exact hands (as soon as I figure out how to put them here) but here is a quick rundown.
Session on 9/12/04
Won – 15/54 - I did not win more then 1 hand in a row in this session.
Session on 9/12/04
Won – 62/147
Session on 9/13/04
Won – 19/60
Session on 9/15/04
Won – 23/76
And of course the hands I won were almost always the smaller wagers, not always but 90% of the time.
As I said I will be posting these results here, but it is taking me a while because I am coping and pasting from the playcheck site each and every hand so one can see it is not made up. And keep in mind these are only 4 sessions I am talking about, as it’s been this way for a while. I know, perhaps you are thinking why keep going back! I ask myself the same question. My answer: I am always hoping things will go back to the way they were a few months ago when I use to win.
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