| Posted by: bonuslover at October 3, 2004, 4:17 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
well this WR system they have does have success in keeping out bonus players like me away
i have never used a bonus in any crypto premises since last year
although back in the day when i was still winning with their bonuses i used to return and gave it all back plus more
now that i owe maybe $5000 WR, would be a cold day in hell before i go back in and play
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| Posted by: littleplayer at October 3, 2004, 12:19 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by granger
Intercasino is kind enough to allow its members to receive monthly bonuses. Additionally, they provide fair games.
Why, then, complicate the matter with foolish and confusing carryover rules?
Nothing can be all good everything has some bad in it.
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at September 30, 2004, 1:03 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Besides the carry-over nonsense, what is this about this month, that month. I would believe the WR should work on plain figures, not on a monthly basis. Unless the WR and bonus is restricted to a specific month. Casinos should be carefull not to strengthen the idea that they are cheats. I for one are happy with the casinos I support and do not intend to go through a school of headaches again. Before I ended up the casinos I am playing at I made a few mistakes. One of those was not to understand WR. Intercasino should really think of removing greed from there WR, the fact this was such a lengthy issue to resolve tells me that. I am sure it is more important to keep your players than to have them only until they lost all there money on the first deposit. IMO you are crazy if you deposit again whilst there is still WR outstanding! Rather go elsewhere then. There is many reliable online casinos out there!
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| Posted by: thumper at September 29, 2004, 6:45 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
I would say that casinos should not "carryover" the WR if you have lost both the deposit and the bonus received, regardless of the games played etc. The idea of a WR is that the casino protects it self in not to just lose the bonus given. The games excluded only even the odds in the casino's favor. Why on earth would they "carryover" if their objective was achived anyway. That seems unfair and unacceptable!
I'm couldn't agree more, Chatmaster.
Ryan H seems like a bright guy. You'd think he'd want to stay ahead of the pack. Lead, don't follow, Ryan.
Craps, Roulette, and Baccarat are popular games. Allow those who accept a bonus to play these games. Just don't allow them to make opposite bets. Make an adjustment in your Wager Logic system that causes the system to reject such bets. That can't be too difficult or too costly.
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at September 29, 2004, 1:19 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I would say that casinos should not "carryover" the WR if you have lost both the deposit and the bonus received, regardless of the games played etc. The idea of a WR is that the casino protects it self in not to just lose the bonus given. The games excluded only even the odds in the casino's favor. Why on earth would they "carryover" if their objective was achived anyway. That seems unfair and unacceptable!
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| Posted by: Exposer at September 27, 2004, 12:38 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by thumper
Actually, Jean Paul, the word is "lose", not "loose".
That said, I've double checked with eCash and your assertion is indeed accurate. I stand corrected. Losing one's deposit and bonus playing blackjack does not result in a "carryover".
However, losing one's deposit and bonus playing blackjack and a "forbidden" game, or just a "forbidden" game, does bring about a "carryover".
I ask Ryan. Why should the latter be the case? The casino has reached it's goal. It has all of the player's money. Why impose a "carryover" the next time the player accepts a bonus? Why not simply allow the player to start anew?
Not only that the software is rigged once the wr are met. Happens every month to me so too many times to not be rigged.
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| Posted by: granger at September 13, 2004, 8:40 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BigJonnyB
or as is probably more likely their software crashes .
I find this situation totally unacceptable. Lets face it - if this was most other casinos, there would be extremely harsh criticism for applying terms and conditions that are not even stated. If a player loses the bonus and their own funds, regardless of the game played, there should be no carryover. The carryover is depremental - it stops me from going in and playing with my own funds - I can't even withdraw my winnings from a non bonus deposit until I meet a wr where I lost.
JB
I agree. Why in the world would the powers that be at Intercasino, or at any casino for that matter, subject themselves to the headaches that invariably accompany any type of carryover?
Intercasino is kind enough to allow its members to receive monthly bonuses. Additionally, they provide fair games.
Why, then, complicate the matter with foolish and confusing carryover rules? Why not j... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BigJonnyB at September 12, 2004, 11:49 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
Can anyone explain to me why it should make any difference whether you lose your money in one session or several? What happens if your internet connection goes down or your computer crashes?
or as is probably more likely their software crashes .
I find this situation totally unacceptable. Lets face it - if this was most other casinos, there would be extremely harsh criticism for applying terms and conditions that are not even stated. If a player loses the bonus and their own funds, regardless of the game played, there should be no carryover. The carryover is depremental - it stops me from going in and playing with my own funds - I can't even withdraw my winnings from a non bonus deposit until I meet a wr where I lost.
JB
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| Posted by: bonuslover at September 12, 2004, 10:45 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
You dont have to lose every penny
according to Ryan Hartley,
all you have to lose in order to wipe the WR for the last bonus you receive is half of your deposit required to earn that bonus
for example, let's say the monthly is $90 and you make a deposit of $90
you can still cash-in $45 of your own money and have no WR carried forward to next month
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at September 12, 2004, 6:08 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Can anyone explain to me why it should make any difference whether you lose your money in one session or several? What happens if your internet connection goes down or your computer crashes?
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 12, 2004, 3:32 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Hey, try writing your posts in Danish and see how you do
Anyway, I guess the thought is that if you bust out trying to reach the wager-requirements the wager is not carried over. However, Roulette does not count for the wager-requirements so if you lose playing that you are not trying to reach the wager-requirements. Hence, the wager is carried over. When you think about it it actually does make a little sense. They should really make it a lot more clear in their rules though. What doesn't make sense at all is the rule about having to lose everything in one session. Ryan has previously denied this rule existed but when I recently inquired about the precise rules for carry-over he said that you had to lose everything in one sitting for the wager to be reset. Their phone-support told me the same thing.
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| Posted by: thumper at September 11, 2004, 7:16 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre
Actually, if you loose everything in one session playing blackjack the wager is not carried over.
Actually, Jean Paul, the word is "lose", not "loose".
That said, I've double checked with eCash and your assertion is indeed accurate. I stand corrected. Losing one's deposit and bonus playing blackjack does not result in a "carryover".
However, losing one's deposit and bonus playing blackjack and a "forbidden" game, or just a "forbidden" game, does bring about a "carryover".
I ask Ryan. Why should the latter be the case? The casino has reached it's goal. It has all of the player's money. Why impose a "carryover" the next time the player accepts a bonus? Why not simply allow the player to start anew?
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| Posted by: thumper at September 10, 2004, 9:10 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
As we all know, when a player accepts a monthly bonus at Intercasino and later attempts to make a withdrawal, the system set up at eCash allows the withdrawal only after the "25 times" wagerering requirement has been satisfied with the playing of "allowable" games, such as blackjack. Any wagers made on "forbidden" games, such as roulette, do not count towards meeting the "25 times" requirement. That much is quite clear in the Intercasino terms and conditions.
What isn't clear, as has been spelled out by others on this thread, is the "carryover" policy at Intercasino. From what I can gather, the present unwritten policy is exemplified in the following 2 situations:
Situation 1: Player deposits $100. Player accepts a $100 monthly bonus. Player now has a $2500 wagering requirement before a successful withdrawal can be made. Player bets $2000 playing blackjack (an "allowable" game), and unfortunately loses both the $100 deposi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bart at September 9, 2004, 11:14 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre
He did answer me now. As far as I can understand the rules are that if you bust out in one session, playing only allowed games, the wager does not carry over.
This is just so wierd. That isn't what the Ts/Cs says and that isn't what Ryan has posted here. I don't understand why InterCasino doesn't make the rules ery easy, clear, and consistent by either redoing the Ts/Cs and/or posting them here as they have done in the past.
"Players must wager an aggregate total of 25 times the bonus in the casino before they can withdraw the free money, e.g. Deposit = $100, Bonus = $90, you must then wager an aggregate total of $2,250 in the casino before you can cash out the bonus money and its winnings."
That says nothing about carrying the bonus over at all. If one loses all the deposit and bonus money, obviously he isn't trying to cash out "the bonus and its winnings".
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 8, 2004, 8:12 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
He did answer me now. As far as I can understand the rules are that if you bust out in one session, playing only allowed games, the wager does not carry over.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 8, 2004, 2:19 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I just checked again and I'm now able to withdraw my entire balance. Don't know if Ryan has anything to do with that or not. Well, I'm just happy they'll let me witdraw. And I'll certainly make sure not to play the excluded games another time...
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 7, 2004, 11:59 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
After talking to them for the fourth time on the phone they now tell me that my wager carried over because I zeroed out playing Roulette!! Why that is so I don't know. There's certainly no mentioning of this in their T&C. It just says that bets on roulette doesn't count for the wager-requirements. I've emailed Ryan and awaits his response...
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| Posted by: bart at September 6, 2004, 8:45 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stingray
I buster out this month really fast,so it will be interesting this montht to see what happens,the thing is i have something like 1.50 in the account and there is no way to lose or withdraw that so they could claim that the WRS carry though as i have not lost ALL my deposit,hmmmmm
I don't think it matters. Ryan has stated the policy and the T/Cs don't call for carryover. Should you wish to gamble the 1.50, I thouhgt you could try a quarter slot or VP. Does the software just not let you "deposit" less then $5 to the machine? I can't remember.
bart
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| Posted by: Stingray at September 6, 2004, 8:14 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I buster out this month really fast,so it will be interesting this montht to see what happens,the thing is i have something like 1.50 in the account and there is no way to lose or withdraw that so they could claim that the WRS carry though as i have not lost ALL my deposit,hmmmmm
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 5, 2004, 11:34 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Try telling that to their support
Seriously, I've busted out several times before too and never had a problem with carry-over wager but this time they say I have to wager for July even though I zeroed out. I'll give them a couple more days to sort this out or I'll email Ryan again and ask him to take care of it.
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| Posted by: NewbieDoobieDo at September 5, 2004, 7:12 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I have been busting out at INTERCASINO for MONTHS on end with a rare win occassionaly stuck in between. I have NEVER had to make up wagering requirements from previous months, and beleive me, I'd owe them 10's of thousands if they did require it.
Can't speak for the other Crapto's, but Intercasino certainly doesn't hold you to old wagering if you bust out.
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| Posted by: chucho at September 2, 2004, 9:13 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29
how can they carry a wagering requirement over for a bonus that is already lost?? If its lost its lost, end of story!!! well thats my humble opinion anyway
Tell that to William Hill, the only thing you can bet on their is that the WR carry over an over and over like the energizer bunny
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| Posted by: karlysmom at September 2, 2004, 6:03 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Unfortunately my experience with CR at intercasino is as follows.....Call 5 times and get 5 completely different answers........As for Ryan helping...my experience as stated in another thread I recentley started is....Ryan is of no help at all... Sorry to sound so negative however this is my experience with them.......
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at September 2, 2004, 5:56 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
how can they carry a wagering requirement over for a bonus that is already lost?? If its lost its lost, end of story!!! well thats my humble opinion anyway
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 2, 2004, 12:39 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Okay, this is getting annoying. Just got of the phone with support for the third time. Now they've changed their minds again and say that wager carryover even when zeroing out. I then say I have email confirmation from Ryan Hartley saying it doesn't. I forward the mail to the CSR-representative while I'm on the phone with him. Now it becomes really tricky. Here is the exact mail I recieved from Ryan (I asked for his permission to post it but he never answered me. However, I doubt he'll object):
Hi xxxxxx,
The if the wagering requirements for the bonus are not met, they are carried
over to the following month and are accumulative. The only situation in
which this is not the case is when a customer loses his funds in one
sitting. In these cases the wagering requirements are wiped clean. If you
have any further queries regarding this, please do not hesitate to contact
me again.
Kind regards,
Ryan Hartley
Casino Manager
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| Posted by: killer1024 at September 2, 2004, 6:49 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
A friend of mine lost his June Intercasino bonus and his deposit, except for his last 50 cents, halfway through his wagering requirement. He left the 50 cents in his account and came back in July
When he played the July bonus, he was NOT confroted with wager requirements that were carried over from June.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 1, 2004, 4:30 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Basically, their telephone-support now tells me the same as Ryan - that wager doesn't carry over. I was told to call back if I still can't withdraw tomorrow and they will fix it. Will keep you posted...
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| Posted by: Locutus85 at September 1, 2004, 1:09 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
In my opinion the WR donīt carry over if you bust trying to meet them:
Last month I busted after only ~500$ wagered but this month I could withdraw after wagering 2250$ .
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| Posted by: slotski at September 1, 2004, 11:27 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I cant believe they are still sending conflicting info re this. I have been under the impression that if u lose your deposit there are no WRs to make up the next month (like Ryan H says above).
I think the CS person is not referring to lost deposits when saying must make up WR's.
JpSatre, please let us know what happens.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at September 1, 2004, 2:36 am | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
That doesn't really the address the question of whether wager is carried over if the deposit is lost. I'm having problems withdrawing this month because Inter's support says that I have to fulfill wager from a previous month even though I lost my deposit then. I've emailed Ryan and asked him for to confirm that this is indeed their new policy. I'll let you know when I hear from him.
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| Posted by: topwater at August 31, 2004, 8:10 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
I saw this thread and last week emailed support to find out for myself:
Hello and thank you for contacting the Intercasino support team.
The wagering requirements for match bonuses do carry over from month to month. If wagering requirements for more than one bonus are not met, all outstanding wagering requirement must be met before winnings are cleared, and therefore withdrawable.
We hope this attends to your enquiry. If we can be of any more assistance please feel free to contact us at anytime. We are open 24 hours per day, 7 days a week (including holidays). You can contact one of our friendly and courteous ECash Direct (UK) Ltd support staff (toll-free) at:
1-866-687-7926 North America
00 800 2467-9261 UK
+800 2467-9261 International (Check your country's outbound dialing code)
Fax:
0208-997-4778 United Kingdom
011-44-208-997-4778 North America
+44-208-997-4778 International
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| Posted by: bart at August 26, 2004, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by kavaman
Im quite sure, that the playtrough has been just recently changed, so that they do carry over wagering even though bonus and deposit have been lost.
Im not 100% sure on this however. Id like some facts, comment from ryan possibly?
-kavaman
Here is the rule from the site which seems to indicate they don't carryover:
"Players must wager an aggregate total of 25 times the bonus in the casino before they can withdraw the free money, e.g. Deposit = $100, Bonus = $90, you must then wager an aggregate total of $2,250 in the casino before you can cash out the bonus money and its winnings."
If you bust out you can't cash out the bonus and winnings. If they mean before any further cash out will be allowed they should say that but it would by nice if Ryan would tell us about it.
bart
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| Posted by: kavaman at August 26, 2004, 2:07 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Im quite sure, that the playtrough has been just recently changed, so that they do carry over wagering even though bonus and deposit have been lost.
Im not 100% sure on this however. Id like some facts, comment from ryan possibly?
-kavaman
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| Posted by: bart at August 26, 2004, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Intercasino wagering question Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by ChippedToof
I keep on getting conflicting answers. I was wondering if anyone definitively knows if Intercasino's wagering requirements carry over or not? Thanks in advance.
Do a search on Ryan Hartley. Or Hartly. Ryan has stated they do not carryover when you lose most of your deposit. I know it is still on WOL, as I have searched out before.
bart
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