| Posted by: maxfalcon at December 7, 2003, 4:47 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
Gambling-pro (www.gambling-pro.com)
WOL: Max Falcon
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Highly recommended: Tropez, Del Rio, City Club, Casino King, Golden Palace
Wow... My portal being listed along with GoneGambling and Got2Bet....
Just a correction here: Casino King is just "Recommended" on my site, not Highly.
I am happy to see that the Tropez/DelRio/VegasRed group adopt a good attitude concerning the recent problems. I was sure about that. Let's wait and see!
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at December 4, 2003, 10:37 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GambleGirl
Got2Bet (www.got2bet.com)
WOL: Got2Bet, Spearmaster
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Recommends: Swiss, Casino King, Casino Las Vegas
Cautions: Tropez, Del Rio, Vegas Red, City Club
note: has posted at his own site and here about being wary and apologized for any players having problems with Vegas Red
City Club is not part of any "caution" - I have not commented on them at all. As for Tropez, Del Rio and Vegas Red, I also once posted that I am confident they will do the right thing - before I apologized here - but then they really did start to make amends. My current position is my most common one - wait and see - but again I remain confident that they will resolve the outstanding issues.
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| Posted by: bart at December 4, 2003, 7:27 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by La$$eB
I wrote to them:
One of these reasons are that we share databases with several casinos and if you
have any questionable activity in any of those other gaming institution the system
will automatically block the account upon withdrawal request as this is when the
system detects such activity.
I am sorry about this and I wish you the ery beat in 7th future.
Have a great day.
Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact the
Vegas Red Support Team. We are available 24 Hours a day, 7 days a week.
With Best Regards,
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What is that supposed to mean. I am even from Denmark but that doesn´t seem to be the problem in this case.......
It means that they abuse their players by sharing their confidential information. Typical rogue behavior.
bart
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at December 4, 2003, 4:17 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Most Playtech casinos have a term such as this:
The casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that player/s are participating in strategies that the casino in its sole discretion deems to be abusive, the casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such player to the promotion.
http://www.casinolasvegas.com/news/400terms.html
Casino King, a related casino to Casino Las Vegas still operates under the older terms:
Furthermore, if upon such review, the players' practices have been deemed to be 'Promotion Abuse', the Casino Management has the right to take the following actions, at its sole discretion, against such abusers: All winnings on any account/s opened will be null and oid and all cash-ins will be cancelled where play has been deemed abusive. Abusing Player accounts may be terminated with immediate effect. Players found to be abusing promotions m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at December 3, 2003, 9:01 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Here are what the major portals and some of the smaller ones have listed on their sites about Playtech casinos. Obviously a wide ariety of opinions.
("WOL:" is the contact name here at winner online. Casinomeister and The Gamemaster rarely post at WOL and should be contacted at their own sites. The others are frequent posters at WOL.)
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Casinomeister (www.casinomeister.com)
WOL: the meister
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Recommends: City Club , Kiwi
Rogues: Grand Banks group
The Gamemaster (www.thegamemasteronline.com)
WOL: the gamemaster
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No information recently
Got2Bet (www.got2bet.com)
WOL: Got2Bet, Spearmaster
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Recommends: Swiss, Casino King, Casino Las Vegas
Cautions: Tropez, Del Rio, Vegas Red, City Club
note: has posted at his ow... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Greek Viking at December 3, 2003, 4:19 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
I wonder if he was ever paid? I don't see that he mentioned either way.
I have today send the following mail to Casino DelRio:
"Hi
As you probably have noticed my case and simalar cases are discussed on
public message boards.
Please inform me if you will pay me the $147 you confiscated. I intend to
publish the result.
Kind regards"
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| Posted by: Jetset at December 2, 2003, 9:22 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
"You should first of all know that a reason for your being labeled as a bonus abuser cannot be defined in one email as there a number of ariables that is taken into consideration when a determination like this has been made."
Oh, please! Can you imagine taking a statement like this into a courtroom?!
Surely the player is not asking too much here - he or she simply wants to know why they've defined him/her as a bonus abuser? And presumably taken winnings and bonuses away retroactively.
These operators really need to get their act...and their thinking, together.
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| Posted by: La$$eB at December 2, 2003, 8:05 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
I wrote to them:
Dear Vegas Red casino
I have just recieved an email from you saying that I am a bonus abuser. I
feel really offended by that statement and I think you owe me an
explanation.
Almost 2 weeks ago I browsed through different webpages and found your
casino. I read your terms and conditions which said:
"Players from Denmark are welcome provided that they wager their deposit
and play bonus fifteen (15) times before reaching the minimum wagering
requirements for withdrawal"
That seemed quite fair to me so I purchased 100$ at your casino. I
recieved the 222$ play bonus which I understood was not withdrawable. Even
though I had to wager (100+222) * 15 = 4830 I decided to play and take the
mayor risk of loosing everything. I started playing Cyber Stud Poker and
after wagering a bit more than 5000 I cashed out 149$ (the 222$ was not
withdrawable as I knew).
I am a person who play ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: La$$eB at December 2, 2003, 8:02 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
They are just simple thieves!!
take a look at this:
Dear Lasse,
Before processing your withdrawal request we have noticed a pattern of bonus abuse
in your game sessions.
Due to this we have subtracted the bonus money that was given to you and your
winnings, processing only your original deposit.
We are truly sorry if there was any misunderstanding but we are obligated to follow
the company's policy.
The following is a statement directly from our "Terms of Use":
"The Casino reserves the right to refuse or rescind the bonus for any reason
including, but not restricted to, player abuse. In case of abuse, the Casino
reserves the right to discontinue player's membership and to prevent the player from
accessing the Casino in the future".
We do appreciate your interest in our casino and hope to see you at our tables.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 29, 2003, 1:23 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Just for some more historical information about this problem, which does seem to have been around longer than I was aware (perhaps from June). I had to improvise to search for "Del Rio" and find interesting ways to get around the "four character rule" .
Of interest is Sirius's post which originally posted on how closely related these casinos all are. And Greek Viking's:
My case is in good hands. A reputable mediator is already involved (Casinomeister).
Please, let’s use this thread to document the obvious comprehensive practice regarding confiscating winnings and/or locking of accounts if you play to win. Is the phenomenon specific for Del Rio or is it general for Playtech casinos?
I wonder if he was ever paid? I don't see that he mentioned either way.
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=5828
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=5881
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| Posted by: ArGee at November 27, 2003, 4:20 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
actually I just did. I have no problem with them because they just payed me my $13,000+. obviously they have a problem with the english language since they couldnt understand you're problem without looking like idiots.
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
ArGee, have you NOT read this thread about the way Royal Dice treats its customers?!?
-Yes, I can not mention often enough about how this Casino p'd me off!!
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| Posted by: Jetset at November 26, 2003, 10:07 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Gamblegirl said, "In the November 24th edition of the InfoPowa newsletter Vegas Red was placed on a list of Casino Cautions, citing their recent conduct as "unacceptable"."
That is correct - the fair and honest way for casinos to take action against a player against whom they have enforced their right of admission is to declare him/her an abuser and say why, then execute the lockout AFTER paying out all monies owed to the player in terms of the T&C or emailed offer.
Disqualifying the winnings and bonuses of players who have accepted an offer and adhered to the T&Cs is not honest practice but is unfortunately becoming increasingly prevalent. And lately the boards have been full of this Vegas Red business.
Clearly the above does not apply to fraudulent players using tricks like multiple ID - few people on either side of the divide have any sympathy for players who are fraudsters.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 26, 2003, 1:43 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
In the November 24th edition of the InfoPowa newsletter Vegas Red was placed on a list of Casino Cautions, citing their recent conduct as "unacceptable". Jetset reiterated his position that the proper method is to pay the players their winnings first and then lock them out. Most players have called this practice blatant theft.
No word yet whether the other Playtech casinos reported to have been involved in this mess (Casino Las Vegas, Kiwi) have been substantiated or not.
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| Posted by: ArGee at November 23, 2003, 8:23 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Ha Ha gamblegirl I was thinking the same thing but I'll bet most people don't know what you are talking about. Are these people connected with royaldice who I am currently having a minir issue with? I hope not because royaldice seems to be a good place (that is of course assuming they pay me which i think they will) haha!
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 20, 2003, 8:41 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
I just want to be clear on this situation:
*Some Playtech casinos send personal offers to players
*If the players accept the bonus offers, play within the rules, collect bonuses and make withdrawals but do not play without bonuses
*The casino involved will withhold the bonus and winnings from any pending withdrawals *and* also deduct previously granted bonuses and winnings from that pending withdrawals.
*The casino shares information about this player with other Playtech casinos
*The player has committed no fraud (mutliple signups)
If that's the case, the casino is entirely in the wrong; SciFi Casino introduced this system of managing the "bonus abuser" problem, and it was adopted by the CyberCroupier Group.
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| Posted by: bart at November 20, 2003, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by NewbieDoobieDo
Pay the player
THEN lock them out (and quit sending the (!(^&*(!! emails
But then remember who and what we are dealing with here.
Land based casino? Wouldn't catch me dead in one of those.
Hi Newbie. Booth at Bet2gamble believes he can get this sorted out. Spear was willing to help also. You might give one of them a shout. Here is a link to the discussion at Bet2gamble:
http://www.bet2gamble.com/Forums/sh...sb=5&o=&fpart=1
bart
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 20, 2003, 6:24 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Gone Gambling
Gone Gambling (www.gonegambling.com) lists all these casinos (both groups) as sponsoring casinos, although they don't meet the requirements for "Recommended" (only Fortune Lounge and Slotland have that designation).
Imperial E-Club Limited Group
Del Rio
Vegas Red
Tropez
City Club
Intercontinental Online Gaming Ltd
Swiss
Casino King
Casino Las Vegas
http://www.gonegambling.com/review/ggsponsors.html
First off, GoneGambling has gone against the norm by creating itself as a "straight advertising model." What this means, simply is that GoneGambling receives NO commissions as payment from its sponsoring casinos. Instead, advertising is paid up front on a monthly or quarterly basis by all of our sponsors. The ast majority of online gaming portals work most often as "affiliates," meaning they receive a percentage of what the casino earns, based upon the deposits received from th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 19, 2003, 3:24 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by RainFall
Why are you playing here?
They've ripped off several players before in previous threads. You sort of had this coming when you didn't check out the previous threads. Noone (no casino advocate or casino) cared then and they surely won't care now.
Who are you referring to Rainfall? This recent phenomenon of stealing winnings just began at Playtech. Several portals have expressed their disbelief and disgust in this thread. Admittedly, most portal operators haven't said anything , at least publicly.
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| Posted by: theguru at November 18, 2003, 3:32 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso makes a good point, not that all Playtech casinos are bad, but that it is important for the players to stay informed on what casinos are constantly attempting to "abuse" players. It is important to do some searches on a given casino before making a deposit, as well as finding out who they are affiliated with. It would only have taken a second to see that Casino Las Vegas is a sister of Swiss Casino and Casino King, and that Vegas Red is a sister of Del Rio and Tropez. Knowing this one would make the conscious decision to avoid depositing in these new casinos because of all the unethical things that their sister casinos have been up to lately. A quick search here or at casinomeister would have sufficed.
Not to take blame off of these rogue casinos, but as players, the only way this industry will regulate itself is through player knowledge. With proper knowledge of the history of a casino players may avoid wasting their money at the aforementioned places causing them eventually... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 18, 2003, 12:37 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
scasino is a representative from Swiss Casino, a sister casino to Casino Las Vegas, although they probably manage it as well. Anyone having problems with this casino would be well advised to message this user and demand an answer for their behaviour. Below is the link for the scasino:
http://mb.winneronline.com/member.html?u=4302
I wouldn't hold my breath for a reply though if they've read all these threads and have not deigned to respond anywhere. But if you'd like to give them -what is the english word? oh yes- some "feedback" I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
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| Posted by: bewitch at November 17, 2003, 11:00 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Personally, Ithink all the bonus absuer excuase from the casino doesn't make any sence. The casino want to offer the bonus and should follow their own words. If they can't, don't even bother to offer anything. Or just offer to the players they think is loyal through private email, not everyone. It's hard for player to wager through the requirement. To me, it's just their excuse not paying winner.
I email CON and all the playtech casino and ask them to close my account and remove my personal information. They asked me why and I told them because I don't like the way the treat the players with all this Bonus Abuser stuff.
I don't gamble for living and I don't need this kind of stress if it happen to me. Maybe my oice is not loud enough, but I banned the casino who treat players like this and let them know.
Have a good one!
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 17, 2003, 7:42 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
As a reminder, this is what Jetset in Infopowa wrote in August about the Onluck group (RTG) who did the same thing as Casino Las Vegas:
It has been pointed out ad nauseum and can hardly have escaped Jergen's [edit: Paul Jergens, casino manager for the group] attention that the right way to handle these affairs is for the casino to pay out all amounts earned by the player in terms of the T&Cs at the time of wagering when locking the account, and then remove him or her from the promo list. No one contests the casinos' right of admission. But confiscating monies already earned by a player who has been accepted and has played to the T&Cs set by the casino is a ery definite no-no, as GG [edit: Gambling Grumbles with Julie Sidwell at gambling.com] has explained unsuccessfully to IPI.
That group would later change the names of all their casinos' in an apparent attempt to start anew. Admittedly, they were being heavily scrutinized for their constant promotional spam as well.
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| Posted by: Sirius at November 17, 2003, 6:24 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamblegirl
It would seem all these casino's are related:
Imperial E-Club Limited Group
Del Rio
Vegas Red
Tropez
City Club
Intercontinental Online Gaming Ltd
Swiss
Casino King
Casino Las Vegas
..with the same contact e-mail at antiguagaming.gov.ag
I haven't read through the whole thread yet. I'm not sure if these are related but I put them all in the same category and thread in the DUMPED section of my forum three months ago because both groups had the same problem. There are quite a lot of similarities between both groups and I assumed they were related in some way.
Wiz mentioned in a newsletter once that he had to sort out a similar problem with the latter group but didn't mention which casino (this was before he advertised any casinos in the tropez group and when he only advertised casinos in the swiss casino group) but carried on advertising them. There was also a guy ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 17, 2003, 4:12 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Btw, a representative of Swiss casino was noticed surveying the arious watchdog sites yesterday, so they are paying attention to threads such as these. Now, when will they do the honourable thing and admit they've done a bad thing? Probably never, or at least not until it begins affecting their bottom-line. Time is ticking....
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| Posted by: cipher at November 16, 2003, 8:35 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
LOL, cheating software and crooks to boot.
What a winning combination.
If memory serves me correctly I think KIWI CASINO is PLAYTECH and recommended by the Casinomeister as well. Have a good one. I didn't realize that Bethug and Gamble Girl responded with the KIWI info. Its' late.
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| Posted by: Bethug at November 16, 2003, 3:47 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
casinomeister , also has kiwi , which was the first playtec and they only playtec i think someone hit a jack pot on , from a playtec casino
people think about , no one hit a jack pot in a long time at , playtec or boss
jackpots , like montly given at intercasino , alot of micros, a few rtg casinos
something is fishy at playtec and boss casino jack pots.
back to topic , playtec casinos can fixed the game at any time
people if u play at a casino and they slow pay or dont pay you , look me up.
please dont look me up if u tried to defraud the casino. thank you
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 16, 2003, 3:13 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
http://www.cityclubcasino.com/about.html
The City Club Casino is owned and operated by Imperial e-club Limited, a registered company in the Island of Antigua, and is one of the leading online casinos in the industry. The City Club Casino is a fully licensed online casino, regulated by the Government of Antigua ia State Laws under the Official supervision of the Directorate of Offshore Gaming.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at November 16, 2003, 2:38 pm | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
I don't think city club belongs to those rogue groups. they have a different bonus structure and they pay much faster than the two groups in question.
I hit my first RF ever in city club at the end of Oct. 2003 and was paid in 4 days.
USA and New York casinos are okay in my book. I was paid in a timely manner during October 2003.
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| Posted by: Gamblegirl at November 16, 2003, 8:51 am | | Topic: Casino Las Vegas - removes bonus and winnings for "abuse" (ie: winning) Forum: Winner Online |
OK, I see that City Club (Imperial E-Club Limited Group) recently joined the casinomeister's list of reputable casinos, the only Playtech casino he recommends. Would someone care to play there and have their winnings stolen so we could see how quick they go from reputable to rogue? Or at least issues a caution.
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