| Posted by: Bacchus at February 9, 2005, 7:01 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Mmmm...
Just about the issue of rigged software... Yesterday while playing roulette in crystalpalace (RTG software) I saw it hit 0 three (!!!) times in a row. The chances of that happening are 38x38x38. which is around 1 out of 54,872. All I can say is that I feel sorry I didn't bet on 0
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| Posted by: Blue at February 8, 2005, 1:15 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
I've played a lot of BJ at Crypto casinos as well the last while and have not noticed anything unusual.
That stretch of 20 hands with a majority losses and a handful of pushes is statistically uncommon, but those runs do happen every once in a while, online and at land based casinos.
You might have complaints against them, but I don't think they belong on a list of "rigged" casinos.
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| Posted by: Tester at February 6, 2005, 2:36 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by LANIDAR
Check out this session I had yesterday at Intercasino....
Lost 20 in a row. This whole session was a mess.
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/17784...XIS18198496.htm
The probability of a loss or push is 0.4789 + 0.088 = 0.5669.
the probability to have 20 loss or push in a row is 0.5669^20 (in the power of 20) = 0.00001175 = 1/85000.
since he played 160 hands there are 141 possible strings of 20 hands, so 85,000 / 140 = 603.
Bottom line the probability to have such a session is about one in 600. ery expected.
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| Posted by: killer1024 at February 4, 2005, 4:57 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Incredible, what BS.
I have played my (big) share of BJ hands at different crypto's for many years now. Looking back at the results (of let's say 200.000 hands), there is no indication that my outcome differs significantly from expectation.
Please use this forum for real rigged casinos!
Bonuslover, I thought you said you would never come back. Keep your word, please.
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| Posted by: Kangamick at February 3, 2005, 6:49 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
The thing thats gets me about cryptos is the double downs. I was reading about dealing seconds. The amount of 2,3,4,5,6, that come with a double is unreal. I'm thinking about keeping a record & posting the results
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| Posted by: chucho at February 3, 2005, 5:37 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by LANIDAR
Check out this session I had yesterday at Intercasino....
Lost 20 in a row. This whole session was a mess.
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/17784...XIS18198496.htm
Lost 20 in a row, nice. My math may be a bit off but I beleive the odds of doing that are 3 billion to 1. Perhaps you are a cooler
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| Posted by: LANIDAR at February 3, 2005, 2:58 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bacchus
How bad is their blackjack actually? Anyone got any game logs to show?
Always avoided playing there because I've heard rumours, and since I didn't play there I can't make up my mind about the rumours... Paradoxal, isn't it? :P
Look up above at my post.
Click the link
Here's the link to my final session.
The money I HAD ...ALL GONE!!!
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/17784...916250LVS74.htm
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| Posted by: scottcolson at February 3, 2005, 12:59 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
If you take advantage of Intercasinos monthly bonus please bend over and brace yourself. It doesn't matter what flavor of blackjack you choose, you're gonna get screwed. I've been playin there for a couple of years now and for the last 7 months I've seen things I dare not mention. I'll play maybe 50 to 100 hands monthly and within that time have at least 1 run of 12, 13, 14, even 15 losses in a row. What's funny is that I've never in my life won that many in a row, but lose? Oh yea, every single month. I can always guess what is gonna happen to my double down. I'll draw a 2 and the dealer will pull a 20 from his 6. I feel like Nostradamus. It never fails.
I came on here a couple of years ago and complained about these crooks and was immiediately attacked by their "loyal followers" so I said whatever. But the funny thing is that after complaining about them I couldn't lose. This went on for a few months till I had a nice score of around 450 bucks. That's when the gravy train stopped.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bacchus at February 2, 2005, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by ian_go
I sure am.
How bad is their blackjack actually? Anyone got any game logs to show?
Always avoided playing there because I've heard rumours, and since I didn't play there I can't make up my mind about the rumours... Paradoxal, isn't it? :P
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| Posted by: ian_go at February 2, 2005, 11:53 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
My list goes (not in any particular order):
8, Gambling Federation
BJ is definitely rigged. The most rigged piece of software I'd ever ran into. I bet everyone who deposited there felt sorry. Riggedness:10/10
I sure am.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at February 2, 2005, 9:56 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by LANIDAR
Check out this session I had yesterday at Intercasino....
Lost 20 in a row. This whole session was a mess.
Lost or pushed 20 in a row, to be precise. It still sucks.
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
I think Crypto's 'single player' games can definitely be fixed. BTW, I remember reading a post by some senior member saying JAVA crypto is rigged. Was it you?
No, I don't have any problems with Java Crypto.
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| Posted by: LANIDAR at February 2, 2005, 9:20 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Well, here's the last and final Intercasino session.
I had $74 left in WR's when this was done.
Took my deposit and ran.
It was like they knew I was almost done with the WR's and decided to just beat me up.
What are ya gonna do!
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/17784...916250LVS74.htm
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| Posted by: LANIDAR at February 2, 2005, 7:24 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
That was ugly Lanidar. No offence to you, but I really don't understand why genuine gamblers continue to risk their own funds on a crypto.
When I play the monthly at Inter or Will Hill, if my balance goes down to my original deposit, I cash in my deposit and run.
I understand that the WR's do carry over to the following month. I give it a shot...if it works...great...if not, I get my deposit back.
That is just one of 12 sessions I've played so far. ( And THEE ugliest so far )I put in $69 and got the $69 bonus = $138. Need to wager $1725. Right now I'm at $120 and have almost $500 left to wager.
I'll let you know the outcome.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at February 2, 2005, 7:15 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
GM,
I agree.
Did you read about their rigged roulette over casinomeister's a while back? I think Crypto's 'single player' games can definitely be fixed. BTW, I remember reading a post by some senior member saying JAVA crypto is rigged. Was it you?
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Quote: Originally Posted by LANIDAR
Check out this session I had yesterday at Intercasino....
Lost 20 in a row. This whole session was a mess.
That was ugly Lanidar. But it wasn't THAT bad. Down 12.5 units in 160 games.
One thing...why did you keep playing when you have already lost 10 in a row????
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at February 2, 2005, 5:12 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
I remember there were less than 3 instances of which the game required me to double/split.
This is ery low. The probability of a double down on the initial hand is 10.8%, and I guess that the probability of a split is somewhere between 2% or 3%.
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| Posted by: colly at February 1, 2005, 3:19 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
colly, ask the non bonus hunters, what casinos they drop 1k or more in, what software there trust right now micro iper. We talk about this in emails.
RTG I have no problem with the VP and have done quite well with it- I play micro a lot less (Partly because of the slow payouts and not payout on weekends compard to Inetbets usually less than 3 hours) but your statement above clarifies on the MG- I was misinterpreting bonus in your earlier comment for side bonus account- say like at captian cooks you have a bonus account or not- if not, there is a lower bonus- if so, you have a separate login to that account- that is what I was referring to and thought you meant was rigged.
Perhaps its my style or my level of play but I have probably had about 30+ royals on RTG over time_ 3 on Playtech in 3 months and my first on MG (after many years)at xmas- I play the same way so!!!???
regards
colly
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| Posted by: bonuslover at February 1, 2005, 1:21 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
Bonuslover, what do you do if basic strategy calls for a double or split?
I remember there were less than 3 instances of which the game required me to double/split.
I think I doubled once (thereby risking my own funds) and won that hand. And one time it was a pair of 7s against dealer's 10 and I hit instead as the difference ain't much.
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| Posted by: Syl Levine at January 31, 2005, 6:14 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
Bonuslover, what do you do if basic strategy calls for a double or split?
...for a split only, since you'd keep the same hand on doubling (just adding the credits... and one card only).
GM, do you play BJ Switch or Caribbean21 at all?
Syl
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| Posted by: Bacchus at January 31, 2005, 11:42 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Ahhh.. Forgot to mention the most rigged software ever... All casinos bearing the Oyster Gaming sign... A buddy of mine was stupid enough to give one of their casinos a try - lazyjoker.com was the one, if I remember correctly...
He showed me his play results after losing both his deposit and bonus in 10 minutes... The dealer had at least 10 blackjacks out of 50 hands played in total :P
Riggedness: 11/10
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 31, 2005, 11:28 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Yes it is.
Theorectically I should have a chance of ~7% of winning 3 hands in a row. I have NOT acheived it in my 24 months playing 5 (was 6 for the first 13 months) Cryptos. That's over 100 shots at it. (I didn't play like this before, just that I was behind the wager requirement and I figured betting big was my only way out.)
Among those trials I have won the first hand about 40% of the time. Now the conditional probability is in my favour am I right? Of these I've only won about 1 tenth of the second hands and of which I won none of the third hands.
Use excel to run a binomial if you like. Yes, it is NOT mathematically impossible. But it would take me at least 3 more years to collect enough data for a test with a 5% level of confidence. By then I might have lost so much that the wager requirements accumulated are so high and the whole thing would be meaningless. And even if I did I bet you would still remain skeptic and ask me for a 3% level of confidence by then.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at January 31, 2005, 10:24 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
My list goes (not in any particular order):
6, Cryptologic
Single player BJ remains a ery dangerous game. Try this: play 1 hand with your entire bonus balance, double up IF you win, see if you can EVER win three times in a row. Riggedness:5/10
This is a highly scientific method of testing!
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at January 31, 2005, 6:41 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29
But I will say that if online casinos are gonna rig the games (Even slightly) they are gonna target (Guessing)
1. High Rollers
2. New "bonus hunters"
3. Regular "bonus hunters"
1. Maybe
2. Nope
3. Nope
My opinion with these software is the same as kavaman.
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| Posted by: Bethug at January 31, 2005, 5:56 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
colly, ask the non bonus hunters, what casinos they drop 1k or more in, what software there trust right now micro iper. We talk about this in emails.
You have to know how to play rtg, to my understanding you dont know how many decks they use at a given time, so that my throw some off.
cypher know way more about real time gaming than I do. I will ask him to contrubute,.
Also if real time gaming was so rigged, they should be able to pay there players, cause it be alot of losers. When last month I made 5 figures playing at a few of them .
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at January 31, 2005, 4:33 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
I am on the fence here
But I will say that if online casinos are gonna rig the games (Even slightly) they are gonna target (Guessing)
1. High Rollers
2. New "bonus hunters"
3. Regular "bonus hunters"
My guess is that your average, small stakes punter is gonna get a fair game at most casinos. I could be wrong though
And I have had 55 hands of BJ at super egas without the dealer busting
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| Posted by: Bacchus at January 31, 2005, 1:20 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
IGW- software for Goodasgold, Megaplay etc are rigged in my honest opinion. I would never recommend them to any of my friends and fellow forum members. Supporters of them often claim the software is only 'very streaky'. But isn't abnormal streaks already a part of being rigged? Again, just my opinion.
While your opinion is definitely alid, I cannot agree with it . If we compare IGW with RTG streaks-wise, IGW would definitely be heaven (and guess what RTG would be ), yet you've rated IGW as "more rigged"...
Furthermore, not only is IGW comparable to Playtech's single player BJ streaks-wise, but it's somehow much less streaky. While my personal experience is certainly not an indicator of anything, I've logged a few hundred hours into each of those engines, and can attest to the above
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 31, 2005, 1:02 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dazed1
bonuslover,
Do you think some casinos use "cheat switches" to target particular players, even though their games may otherwise be fair?
If they are intelligent to write up a software, don't you think they might wanna add a script or 2 in it to safeguard themselves against constant winners (robots or ppl who figured out a loophole or something)?
I read from a legitmate source (forgot where) that RTG is able to 'customize' their software for any particular player. If you play RTG enough, you should have noticed every once in a while you log in and it says 'downloading new lobby'? That's when they fix their software for you. You are actually receiving a new 'mode' that is a tighter in terms of payouts.
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IGW- software for Goodasgold, Megaplay etc are rigged in my honest opinion. I would never recommend them to any of my friends and fellow forum members. Supporters of them often claim ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: colly at January 30, 2005, 11:36 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
If you want a fair shot stick to micro iper casinos, the one with out the side bonus accounts
Bethug,
This is an interesting comment- can you explain the reasoning behind it?
regards
colly
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| Posted by: Bethug at January 30, 2005, 6:05 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
rtg,well of late i have done well . even inetbet turn 40 bucks into over2000
The other software I dont play as much
but i know for a fact boss media casino can flip the switch
If you want a fair shot stick to micro iper casinos, the one with out the side bonus accounts
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| Posted by: kavaman at January 30, 2005, 4:49 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
Lucky Change, Casinoonliner group, Gambling federation are rigged in my iew.
Playtech live games = No proof, and i dont think they are.
Good As Gold group = Not rigged, playd there over 10 times, sometimes won big, sometimes lost big seems quite streaky.
RTG = Not Rigged
Cryptologic= Not Rigged
Supervegas or any other Boss Media=Not Rigged, extremely streaky
Just my Thoughts
Kavaman
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| Posted by: dazed1 at January 30, 2005, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
bonuslover,
Do you think some casinos use "cheat switches" to target particular players, even though their games may otherwise be fair?
I would agree that Gambling Federation is apparently rigged against all players. I found the ideo poker to be even worse than the blackjack.
I suspect that at least one Crypto casino has flipped the switch on me, and I've accumulated enough doubts about Global Player to quit playing there.
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| Posted by: Bacchus at January 30, 2005, 3:32 pm | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
I agree with you on most of them (apart of the ones I've never tried, like GamblingFed and supervegas), but goodasgold and VIP? I'm a regular player in both (6 months +), and blackjack is my game of choice... Can't complain about a thing so far really..
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 30, 2005, 10:35 am | | Topic: Let's list them most rigged casinos! Forum: Winner Online |
My list goes (not in any particular order):
1, Lucky Chance
Employs an unheard of software. Looks nice but their BJ is crazy...payout is probably set around 60%-simply rigged. Slots, however, seems normal to me. Riggedness:9/10
2, Casinoonliner (Slotsalley et al.)
Seems to be around for a long time and ery active in promotions. I have no doubt all their games are fixed to pay out no more than 70%. Riggedness:10/10
3, Playtech live games
Anchor players being used. The house edge is increased by 9-10% (my guess). See my recent threads. Riggedness:8/10
4, Goodasgold (and Megaplay, VIP, etc.)
Just a really big laugh. Nearly impossible game. You can lose 60 units in 200 hands. But I do remember some people won there 2 years ago. Riggedness:9/10
5, RTGs
BJ is rigged in my opinion ever since they added the multi-hand feature. People who disagree shall give Inetbet's BJ a try, most rigged of all RTGs. Slots have gotten REALLY tight ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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