| Posted by: bonuslover at March 1, 2005, 3:49 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
DB,
I have tried headsup ONLY in my first ever session- I won. That's why I kept returning but later the tables were getting more crowdy and I wonder if anyone can play headsup anymore. I have no doubts now that some of the players are robots, that's why you always see someone sitting there.
1 more note. Have you noticed how playtech disabled the chat function? I mean you can still type in whatever you want, but either what you typed never appear in the chat box OR nobody ever replied you. Back in the day I remember when the chat still worked, everybody was saying 'this is rigged', 'this is outrageous', 'I lost 7 straight bets', etc. Wonder if the content of the chats have anything to do with it being disabled now.
I will keep staying away from live bj...or live games in general.
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| Posted by: DealerBusts at March 1, 2005, 12:44 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
I'd be willing to do some testing on Playtech Live BJ and see if i observe anything strange like robot players taking 'bust' cards or strange delays from the dealer if i make some wild plays.
Can anyone think of some way to test the LIVE Blackjack game to prove or disprove whether there are robot players deliberately altering their strategy for the benefit of the dealer?
I was thinking along the lines of- the effect/value of dealer's third card when one or more other players deviate from basic strategy but i haven't thought it out thoroughly yet.
bonuslover, have you noticed any difference when playing heads up or with just you and your friend against the dealer?
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 26, 2005, 8:29 pm | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
GM
I played best strategy all the time, having been around for so long if I don't use BS and hit hard 17s I woulda gone bankrupt for a long time already. I was going to count cards, but the count never went above the point where I could profit by raising bets. And the entire idea was abandoned in the middle when I smelled something fishy and I flat betted all the way then. It was my friend who did silly things.
92% was my payouts. And it was 92% only because I was lucky to win my biggest bets.
So, have you tried them yourself yet?
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at January 26, 2005, 2:41 pm | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
I have tried to play with a friend at the same table, with him betting $1 and me $25-$100. He will do silly things with the cards like hitting 17 etc taking cards 'reserved' for the dealer and we noticed A LOT of delays (the dealer doesn't know what to do! ) and the dealer is busting and busting and finally there was this BIG delay (or rather a halt), then the manager announced there was a fault with the table and oided that round. I had two faces against dealer's 8 that hand.
Were you sticking to basic strategy or counting cards or were you also doing "silly things"? This is why I was asking.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 21, 2005, 8:05 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
GM
The only records I have are cards being dealt from 200 shoes.
I started keeping track of it with the original intent to do card counting, but during those 200 shoes the count never went high enough and I couldn't take any advantage of it. In fact in the last 30 shoes I already knew something was wrong (my payout was at about 92%) and I flat betted all the way. So the record that I have (on scrap paper) tell me nothing but that the decks are not shortened...I give Playtech that.
My stats are not as strong as yours, but I guess I can still tell a bad game from a good one without using too much math. A 92% payout is no good, absolutely bad. And come on GM, I believe you are a seasoned player both online and onland, you should know sometimes you can just SENSE it when the games are definitely not right. Everybody knew Casinobar was cheating, they don't need Wiz of Odds' math to confirm it.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 21, 2005, 12:48 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
I am not paranoid, GM.
The LIVE games are suspicious. If they can cheat in brick and mortar casino in front of 100 eyes, it is only easier to cheat online in front of a 320x240 resolution webcam.
Why don't you do this: buy in $50 and play a hand of BJ, wager your entire bankroll (or half of it if you think you are gonna split) and do this 5 days in a row. Tell me what happens.
Alternatively, try betting $1 and do silly things, your whole perspective of the game will change. Trust me, I am serious.
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| Posted by: GrandMaster at January 20, 2005, 3:34 pm | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
I think someone is getting a bit paranoid. If you are serious, record your play and analyze it properly (check out the Wizard's Casino Bar investigation, http://www.wizardofodds.com/casinos/casinobar.html).
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 19, 2005, 2:58 pm | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
HKGambler
Long time no see to you too, how are you?
My friend acts as an anti-anchor player. When the house anchor (maybe a robot, maybe just another employee) decides when to 'sacrifice' it assumes all other players use basic strategy in its calculations. Now, a typical scenario would be the following:
Dealer has 7 up
Player 1 (stranger) holds 20
Player 2 (me) holds 18
Player 3 (possible anchor) holds 12
Player 4 (my friend) holds 17
Dealer's hole card is a small card (it is not marked) and let's say the up coming card from the shoe is also a small card (remember, the dealer can see it!). So the dealer likes what's coming and what does player 3 do? Knowing player 4 will stay for sure, he stands instead of hit, and reserve THAT small card for the dealer. Now, I'd ask my friend to hit and guess what....its a 5 and now the dealer was like and halts the game and seeks help from manager.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at January 19, 2005, 7:46 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
One thing I don't understand , however.
How can your friend, doing silly things, can make the dealer keep busting?
According to your theory, it does not matter how smart or how silly players play, since they are not sitting in the last base.
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| Posted by: current casino employee at January 19, 2005, 12:28 am | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Bonuslover. Your thoery about the live games in interesting (re. the robot players), but I'm sure their software (like some others) enables the individual casinos to choose which games to restrict for each promotion they create.
Since most casinos keep to the same T&Cs across all their promos it's hard top spot differences between them but I'm pretty sure the casinos could choose to block BJ (or allow roulette bets) from certain promos if they really wanted to.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at January 18, 2005, 9:19 pm | | Topic: WARNING: Playtech LIVE BJ is a SCAM!!! Forum: Winner Online |
Some of you might have noticed the dealer in this game rarely busts.
Many of you might have noticed when you sit down the computer always arrange you a seat between the 2nd and the 2nd last position but never the first and 'forth base'.
Even more of you must have experienced the unusual delays in the game...why does the player sitting next to me with a 16 against dealer's 6 have to take 20 seconds to make a decision?
All of you must have noticed how frequent you see players hitting a 13 against dealer's 6 and doing all other foolish plays.
As they deal fairly deep into the shoe, I have tracked 200+ shoes and I can confirm the decks are fine. That is, they did not remove any aces and faces to increase their advantage. But the results of my game is unacceptable and I believe there must be something fishy and ery likely Playtech is cheating and this is how they do it:
Those who take the first and the forth base and do silly things are anchor players. They are computers ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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