| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at December 8, 2005, 7:14 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
No, of course not - if the player had multiple accounts then I apologise, I didn't see that bit at all.
In fact I still don't see it after reading it through a second time. Jon-Jon (or other casino rep), can you clarify what the reason for non-payment is?
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| Posted by: aodat2 at December 8, 2005, 6:06 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
If you read the thread properly, you will notice that the reason for the closure was actually due to the fact that the player actually had 3 seperate accounts with them. This is a TOTAL iolation of the Rules and Regulation.
What do you expect Jon Jon to do? Kick himself in the @ss and pay that IDIOT? I know for sure I won't be doing that. I'd be doing things which is more profitable than looking into a case of a guy who claims he won yet he has 3 accounts with the casino.
The nice thing that Jon-jon could do is perhaps return his deposit and make sure he's NEVER gonna be allowed to play in the casino again!
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at December 8, 2005, 5:44 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Unsurprisingly (to me anyway) there's a player over at Casinomeister who Giant Vegas are refusing to pay $4879.
Apparently the player played roulette (which did not count towards the wagering requirement, but NOT excluded from play) and then completed the necessary wagering reuirements and they're refusing to pay
Jon-jon (promoter of these fine outstanding casino's) looked into it, and closed the matter 4 days later.
I must say it comes a zero shock to see these crooks getting up to their old tricks as soon as they have a big winner.
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| Posted by: Jetset at November 15, 2005, 11:00 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
The issue between Goodman and RTG has turned nasty since these reports (which date from March when it is alleged that RTG unilaterally closed down Goodman's operations)
Elsewhere in the forum there is a current report on the civil litigation which Goodman has launched in Georgia, USA through his company Interbet, making some ery serious charges against Real Time Gaming concerning Kiss and Giant Vegas casinos.
I have not yet seen a trial date set for this, although an out-of-court settlement is always possible in these matters.
RTG has been given an opportunity to comment on the allegations, but there has thus far (48 hours on) been no response.
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| Posted by: ian_go at November 15, 2005, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jetset
The owner of Giant Vegas in the bad old days was an Australian fellow called Brian Goodman - is he still involved?
lets hope not
http://www.gamblingpress.com/archiv...na-overseas.htm
http://www.gamblingpress.com/archiv...asino-moves.htm
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at November 6, 2005, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
I've nothing against you personally mate (as others have already ouched for you I'm sure you are as credible as you say) and aren't interested in getting into a mud slinging match.
My issue is that Giant Vegas ripped off players in the past (including myself) and it appears that they are trying to do it again (if what the player says is correct).
Hopefully you will sort it out, however if what the player says is correct it shows that Giant Vegas is not trustworthy. What if the player didn't know about the gambling forums? They'd already have had $4879 stolen from them thats what.
For me all this is just another reason why you're far better off playing at casinos whose software providers sort out player disputes. There'd then be no need for this player to have had the stress and hassle I'm sure they've already experienced.
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| Posted by: Jon-Jon at November 6, 2005, 11:01 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Dirk,
I am too much of a gentleman to get involved in mud slinging - my reputation and credibility is not in question, and I can say that with 100% confidence...
Anyway, that aside, I have only just received a mail from the person affected, and I will go through the process of sorting it out. I have had a few mails of late, and have proceeded to resolve each one.
Thanks Dom, Ian and others for the support . Dom, it was a pity we did not get to see more of each other in Vegas, maybe Amsterdam we can get together, if I go...
http://www.giantvegas.com and the casinos associated with http://www.betrev.com are credible, and have not had one negative player dispute since I have been there, and GV ever since they moved over to Playtech. This will be resolved, so let's please not blow this out of proportion until all the information is in
As usual, I am available on email
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at November 5, 2005, 7:43 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Well well, a player has just posted at casinomeister that Giant Vegas has confiscated $4879 winnings because they played roulette, even though it apparently wasn't excluded by the terms and conditions (they say they have a screen shot of them).
So Jon-Jon is this player making this up or are you back to your bad old days of about a year ago?
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| Posted by: pantech at November 2, 2005, 2:04 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue
Acropolis and Bet 365 - ery solid as pointed out.
Great post by Dirk Diggler. Playtech's way of doing business leaves the players at too much risk, as opposed to the top software providers.
in many Playtech casinos there are LIVE GAMES with LIVE DEALERS - play there and don't worry about fairness
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| Posted by: Blue at October 21, 2005, 8:18 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Acropolis and Bet 365 - ery solid as pointed out.
Great post by Dirk Diggler. Playtech's way of doing business leaves the players at too much risk, as opposed to the top software providers.
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| Posted by: Jetset at October 20, 2005, 10:31 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
The owner of Giant Vegas in the bad old days was an Australian fellow called Brian Goodman - is he still involved?
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| Posted by: cipher at October 20, 2005, 5:45 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by ian_go
I trust 365 as they are reputable company with a long history. They took the decision to partner with Playtech, as have several other reputable companies recently. I have not heard of a problem with 365, Acropolis or BetFred in relation to them not paying winnings from their playtech casino.
I agree that Grand Banks, Sterling House, Black Widow, African Palace and Indio are five of the worst casino around but you can't tar 365 et al with the same brush.
As for Jon-Jon's offer, kudos for him for trying to help. I don't see enough Affiliate Managers in here trying to do that.
Hi Ian:
When you compare the wager window on BET 365's Blackjack of ($1 to $2,000.00) ersus the pathetic wager window that Acropolis offers, BET 365 wins hands down. I've heard that Acropolis is solid and they have a good payment history. I've never heard of Bet Fred but thanks for the info, I'll take a look it em.
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| Posted by: ian_go at October 20, 2005, 3:39 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
I trust 365 as they are reputable company with a long history. They took the decision to partner with Playtech, as have several other reputable companies recently. I have not heard of a problem with 365, Acropolis or BetFred in relation to them not paying winnings from their playtech casino.
I agree that Grand Banks, Sterling House, Black Widow, African Palace and Indio are five of the worst casino around but you can't tar 365 et al with the same brush.
As for Jon-Jon's offer, kudos for him for trying to help. I don't see enough Affiliate Managers in here trying to do that.
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| Posted by: cipher at October 20, 2005, 10:59 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
cipher, i love bet365 limits 1 to 2000 bucks
I have found my home
Hi Bethug:
Yes Bethug, that's definitely what I call a player friendly wager window. If you know of any other similar wager windows coupled with a similarly strong record a payout history, I'd be interested to know.
Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: cipher at October 20, 2005, 8:05 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Dirk
"Grand Banks, Sterling House, Black Widow, African Palace and Indio are five of the worst set of crooked casinos around and have been allowed to get away with it under the Playtech stable for years."
You hit the nail right on the head Dirk, those guys are nothing but scum.
I used to make a lot of money with Del Rio, Tropez and Vegas Red, but I'm pretty much staying exclusively with BET 365 as my only PLAYTECH casino.
Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: dominique at October 20, 2005, 6:50 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
I respect JonJon and would suggest you take him up on his offer - if there are any problems floating around with these properties, write to him.
What interests me is whether Giant Vegas is under new ownership then?
Knowing that JonJon is the aff manager for them now has gotten my attention since he has a great track record, including walking away from places that operate below par.
But I remember too many old problems with these casinos.
So - that is what prompts me to ask if there was a change in ownership.
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| Posted by: Dirk Diggler at October 20, 2005, 3:32 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jon-Jon
As you see in some of the above posts, it is clear that it is the operator - casino itself - that has control over how its casino is run.
For me that is EXACTLY the problem with Playtech casino's.
Playtech have little involvement in making sure players are treated correctly, unlike MG, Boss Media and Cryptologic, who all make sure their operators treat players fairly and pay them.
Why bother playing at Playtech when you can chose a casino run on any of the three software providers above and know you will get paid and have no problems?
For me Playtech are now worse than RTG, at least Montana disputes generally comes to the correct decision where as Playtech disputes service seems non existent from players reports.
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| Posted by: Jon-Jon at October 19, 2005, 10:51 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
As you see in some of the above posts, it is clear that it is the operator - casino itself - that has control over how its casino is run. You would not get good casinos and bad casinos using the same software. People generalize and the runoff affects the good guys...
Golden Palace is Playtech, and so are www.giantvegas.com and www.royaldice.com.
I have been involved in this industry for 5 years, and have been exposed to bad casinos and good ones, from the business side, and I can honestly tell you that the software providers are now making a concerted effort to ensure their operators stick to good practice business principles.
If you disagree and have a negative experience with a certain providor - send me a mail and I will see if I can assist...jon-jon@betrev.com
cheers!
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| Posted by: Schankwart at October 19, 2005, 11:33 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
I would recommend you to read this thread: http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=21631
Evil!
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| Posted by: ian_go at October 19, 2005, 11:06 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Playtech Keno has a good return. Just make sure you play with a reputable operator. Acropolis and Bet365 are good places to start.
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| Posted by: halsnes at October 19, 2005, 10:08 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Some Playtech casinos are quite ok, you can even play the Martingale system and come out with a good winning. Try the Acropolis. But you must have balls...
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| Posted by: showmethestash at October 18, 2005, 6:54 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Hi, wondering if anyone has had any luck with playtech casinos. If so which one. I like look of there games but am leery of going away from microgaming.
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| Posted by: max at January 8, 2003, 5:19 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Ok folks, this has degenerated into BS and mud-slinging ... again!
Needless to say, ENOUGH ALREADY!
I'm closing this thread because (a) there's nothing useful being added and (b) to stop the pointless attacks. I strongly recommend that you all let it die here.
Regards,
Max.
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| Posted by: zrapture at January 8, 2003, 12:22 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
I've got to hand it to YourNightmare. He has the most accurate name this board had has to date.
Is guy retarded or just a psychopath?
What kind of loser signs up under this many usernames to post? You would think being a lowlife spammer (VegasLobby) would be enough for him.
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| Posted by: cyclopes at January 7, 2003, 10:55 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Its not newcomers KX, just one guy opening multiple accounts I believe!
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:
To me it´s amazing how disrespectful some newcomers are to posters who have contributed 100-fold to the board compared to them...
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| Posted by: KX at January 7, 2003, 1:09 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by out_with_it:
"My own business? I´m a regular writer at this messageboard and it does affect my own business if there are ppl here throwing mud around them without cause."
KX, It's almost cynical that you believe because you are a regular 'writer' on this message board, you somehow are ordained the authority to approve what other people say. Further, it's downright comical that you consider it to be your 'business' to do so.
Regarding that information regarding Jetset: if it is in fact true, what a disgraceful hypocrisy. What gives this person the right to question others when he is guilty of the ery same issues? What a joke.
Being a regular writer at this board I definetely have the right to give my opinion. My opinion was and is that you were insulting Mary, this despite her being helpful. Why??
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| Posted by: KX at January 7, 2003, 1:04 pm | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Wave:
Wow, no time no see.
I'll bet my last dime on that this thread will become the longest WOL's thread ever as long as KX was involved & now comes into the show answering every statemnts in everybody's posts- agreeing or not.
Start counting, 10 more of his alone will be forthcoming.
A good quote by caruso, the "petulent style of argument."
A good quote by eek, the "must have the last word at all costs mentality."
My advice, it's none of your specialties- financial math & logic- here. Stop further exposing your .... here. Stay away.
Wow, the beloved Wave shows up again. When was it last you made a "contribution"? Was it when you called me names last time?
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| Posted by: out_with_it at January 7, 2003, 10:22 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
"My own business? I´m a regular writer at this messageboard and it does affect my own business if there are ppl here throwing mud around them without cause."
KX, It's almost cynical that you believe because you are a regular 'writer' on this message board, you somehow are ordained the authority to approve what other people say. Further, it's downright comical that you consider it to be your 'business' to do so.
Regarding that information regarding Jetset: if it is in fact true, what a disgraceful hypocrisy. What gives this person the right to question others when he is guilty of the ery same issues? What a joke.
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| Posted by: yournightmare at January 7, 2003, 8:39 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by eek:
At last. Nightmare posts an interesting readable post, and its at the end of six pages of BS.
Assuming this is the same Jetset chap of course.
And remembering that a minority holder of anything has zero real influence.
Still interesting tho.
eek
Minority try PART OWNER and MARKETING DIRECTOR big difference, try open that other eye when reading, it may help you to see clearly.
Hope you haven't got any skeletons lurking You've just won a seat on the list ~eek ~
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| Posted by: eek at January 7, 2003, 8:21 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
At last. Nightmare posts an interesting readable post, and its at the end of six pages of BS.
Assuming this is the same Jetset chap of course.
And remembering that a minority holder of anything has zero real influence.
Still interesting tho.
eek
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| Posted by: yournightmare at January 7, 2003, 7:08 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Amazing the type of info found on the internet.
~ Jetset ~
Was a committee member for the OPA before the walk out last week.
Interesting reading this. From someone who claimed in this post ~ Exibit A ~ he was a MINORITY SHAREHOLDER at WWW.JETSETCASINO.COM He states again on WOL that he is a PART OWNER and MARKETING DIRECTOR.
The IGC I'm sure you are aware who this is, BLACK LISTED jetsetcasino.com for non payment of players winnings. See ~ Exibit B ~
Last but not least I find ~ Exibit C ~ on WOL again, an interview about the MAN behind Jetset AKA Brian C.
" I am a part-owner and marketing director of an online casino called Casino Jetset. I am currently getting involved in a oluntary capacity with the Online Players Association "
He further goes on to say this.
" Right from the start we decided that fast and reliable payouts had to be a prime business objective "
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| Posted by: yournightmare at January 7, 2003, 5:00 am | | Topic: Playtech casinos Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
Question for yournightmare:
Do you have any comments or opinions on
the two "silent" members of the OPA,
Bryan Bailey and Mike Craig?
Especially Mike Craig, as he is the reason the others all "resigned".
I guess Mike Craig is too busy working on "his" new OPA site, to bother answering
any questions, or giving an explanation to his side of this.
It doesn't instill a lot of trust in his ability to run the OPA in an honest manner,IMO.
I hold the same thoughts towards Mary as I do towards the others in the clique.
IMO Mike Craig doesn't care what people think, his refusal of handing over information or docs in regards to the financial requested by the OPA, makes his stand clear. IMO even though Bryan Bailey has shown that has disconnected from the OPA, his name and his banner ~ www.casinomeister.com ~ is displayed on www.onlineplayersassociation.co.uk ~ IMO again if ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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