| Posted by: KasinoKing at March 17, 2006, 6:44 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue
Hi Kasino King, good last post - with all that playing experience, have you been a ictim of having an operator steal you money.
Sorry for delay - I didn't spot your post straight away!
Good question - hard to answer. I have been playing only 'reputable' places for the last 3-4 years, and my poor old brain can't remember much before that!
The only 'stealing' that I recall was Grand Banks - changing the T&C's after I deposited & met the WR. Was a ery low figure though - so didn't pursue it too much.
And NetGaming.com (now defunct) stole $100 off me with the most blatantly rigged software I have EVER seen. Honestly - it was so bad I had to laugh!
Someone did steal my credit card details & try to use it fraudulently after I had to fax a photocopy of it to several 'dodgy' RTG places.
They got caught out though when they tried to order a computer to be delivered to an address in London & the shop w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JohnnyCasino at March 17, 2006, 4:11 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
There is no doubting that there are probably dodgy operators in the industry, just like any business. The trick is to avoid them and that's why you are wise to pop into forums such as these and read up on the whos who etc. You are pretty safe and can expect a fair game with the top names advertised all over this site from what I can see.
If they say they are audited for fairness by PWC etc, then they most likely are and you can iew their results on the site as well.
It's not in the Casinos best interest to have games that win all the time and never pay out.. that's igambling suicide 4 sure and they would last a few weeks, fizzle out and disappear into the igambling site graveyard somewhere. Yes, you will find that most are fair. (The well known names for sure)
Johhny Casino
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at March 14, 2006, 11:40 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
But why would casinos NEED to rig one of the biggest house-edge games in the first place?
To make more money, of course.
Personally, I haven't noticed any flaw or rigged situation with most major software. I used to record most of my play for about 2 years and my record convinced me that they do deal a fair game.
Winning is one thing, how to get paid is another. That's why I only stick to reputable casinos nowadays.
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| Posted by: benitocolombiano at March 9, 2006, 11:29 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
I think that most of the casinos are pretty fair. I know Intercasino uses Cryptologic and they're payouts is pretty quick.
I used to wonder too, about the fairness, but how much fairness is there in gambling. Everybody wonders about Vegas too.
In some ways it's more fun to play online, because then you at least get to get into the games, and the promotions are better. Like the St. Patricks day games on Intercasino.com will go good with my green beer.
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| Posted by: Blue at March 9, 2006, 10:16 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Kasino King, good last post - with all that playing experience, have you been a ictim of having an operator steal you money.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at March 8, 2006, 5:05 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
To answer the original question:
I have played something over 120 casinos in 5 years and profited all along the way, so I have to say that all bar a couple of software platforms are fair. Certainly the major players are.
What is a MUCH bigger problem is the rogue operators who will steal your legitimate winnings from you.
For some strange reason these seem to be mostly RTG & Playtech powered casinos, although Casino Rewards do seem to be trying to drag MG into the same category!
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| Posted by: sming at March 7, 2006, 10:09 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
That sounds like a lot of fun!
But why would casinos NEED to rig one of the biggest house-edge games in the first place?
Best answered by casino operators, maybe the insatiable greed?
Definitely not all operators are that low, probably a small minority, but they certainly rot the basket of apples. Not only do we players suffer, but also reputable operators.
-sming
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at March 7, 2006, 5:17 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by eek
Roulette has been dodgy since the start.
At the multiplayer places I used to fade the bigger bets and did ery nicely indeed out of it.
He would put $10 on Black so I would put $5 on Red kinda thing.
They would spot this after a while.
Then they wouldn't bet until the last second before the spin and it would turn into a war of nerves on a hairtrigger mouseclick as you tried to get your fadebet down before it was too late to bet.
Others would jump from table to table, trying to avoid you.
Ah, the good old days.
That sounds like a lot of fun!
But why would casinos NEED to rig one of the biggest house-edge games in the first place?
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| Posted by: eek at March 4, 2006, 9:50 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Roulette has been dodgy since the start.
At the multiplayer places I used to fade the bigger bets and did ery nicely indeed out of it.
He would put $10 on Black so I would put $5 on Red kinda thing.
They would spot this after a while.
Then they wouldn't bet until the last second before the spin and it would turn into a war of nerves on a hairtrigger mouseclick as you tried to get your fadebet down before it was too late to bet.
Others would jump from table to table, trying to avoid you.
Ah, the good old days.
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| Posted by: sming at March 4, 2006, 9:11 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Folks, we know there are immoral operators/software providers who change the RNG of their software so that we players are sure to lose not by house edge but by being fixed.
The only way for us players to fight them is to expose them.
If you run across a rogue, don't be ague, just provide the exact address and your detailed supporting experience. That will send the rogue to its grave sooner or later.
I will make a start:
Sadly, there was a time when Micrograming's roulette behaved "intelligently."
My test: I placed minimum bet on black for 10 hands, then on red for 10 hands, etc. until I placed enough times to convince me that my loss could not be due to house edge alone. I called the casino (www.flamingocasino.com, a sister site of Golden Palace when they were with Microgaming) and stated my concern. They refunded my deposit.
I can't say how fair the current Micrograming roulette is as I play mostly live at www.casinowebcam.com.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: expert at March 2, 2006, 6:41 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
I am not able to believe casinos do scam.Because I see lots of time: I bet 5$,5$,5$ then I bet 100$ and had Blackjack.I live this for many many times.
And I am sure there are honest casinos as me.I cant think to cheat a person,and I am sure,there are casinos those cant think to cheat people.
They have names,good names.And it is more profitable to have good names than cheating people.
I always win in casinos.And everytime as I say:''If I win through their cheating,
I want them to continue cheating.''
And if possible more.I need more money : )
Expert
www.Fast-Payout-Casinos.com
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| Posted by: drstedders at March 1, 2006, 2:19 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
I think in the end it all comes down to how comfortable you are playing the games. If you think it may be rigged then don't play because for a start you won't be in the right frame of mind to enjoy the game - which is a big part of it.
In the long run, unless you are playing some 100%+ return casino game like full pay deuces wild poker or mixing it up with some bonuses then you will lose - thats a fact - so enjoyment of the game should more of a factor than making money.
If I wanted to play BJ then the live dealer ersion I would be more comfortable with - the downside of it is that it can be a ery slow game.
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| Posted by: drstedders at February 28, 2006, 9:37 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
To be honest, I do not believe certain casino's are honest - the easiest way really to tell is the Casino War game - no intricate odds - you should win 1 out of 2 hands except ties where should win a little over 1 out of 2 hands in the tie situation. The casino edge comes from the tie bet and the tie situation of the regular bet paying off 1/2.
Anyone who is really interested in checking a casino's honesty should play some casino war and look at the logs over time.
I've been at some sites where the dealer has won 28 times out of 30, 18 times in a row, etc and where the long term stats have reached 61% to the dealer.
Nothing has cured my on-line gambling than the realisation that I personally am not comfortable playing on-line. I used to play 100s a month in the casinos - but that was three years ago - now I tend to play poker and maybe the odd casino no more than 50 or 100 a month when I fancy it but I cannot keep away from Casino War games and almost take pleasure in se... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BustedFlush at February 27, 2006, 6:21 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
I remember there was just such a posting about one software provider who did say "You can change the payouts and the player won't notice the difference" (This is on CM) and this tells me that it's going to be a long year if those casinos start deciding their "Bottom Line" is more important then "Fair Play"
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| Posted by: eek at February 24, 2006, 4:55 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Speaking for myself, I haven't tried casinowebcam yet.
The last I heard it was $5 a pop minimum.
Just one place. Thats all I need.
One place...just one...
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| Posted by: sming at February 24, 2006, 1:54 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
In the earlier days of online gaming, let's say before 2001, that casino operators/providers could and did fix RNG so that players lost for sure was quite certain. I once played more than one hundred hands of bj with basic strategey with 20 some pushes, 1 win, and the rest all losses! I downloaded my play record and called one of their supervisors whom I had befriended to ask for an explanation. This supervisor, out of his honesty and familiarity with me, informed me that the casino had some recent big winnings and the management decided the players could not win like this. So they changed their game output probabilities. Amazing, isn't it?
Nowadays, operators/providors can still fix the outputs if they want to and they may do the fixing more secretly and cleverly. The luring of green stuff is just too attractive.
If only the RNG of all online games can come from one server monitored and controlled by a committee of representatives from all parts of the industry. Only then can ther... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sul299 at February 24, 2006, 4:06 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
If its rigged then why do so many casinos go under or try get out of paying players winnings? Surely they could just fix the software to make sure players never won! The reason so many people think its fixed is because you cannot see a real human dealing cards. I've won and I've lost but I also know that chances are I will never win win win!
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at February 24, 2006, 2:30 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by eek
I think things might improve if all internet casino managers have to play their wages 10x through the blackjack each month and whatever's left at the end is what they get paid.
I can just imagine their faces.....
I can give them some basic strategy advice.
Whatever you do, don't double.
Thats the post of the month eek.
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| Posted by: joeyl at February 23, 2006, 11:26 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue
I think you CAN say with a good degree of certainty that there are many reputable operators that aren't scams.
Obviously you don't believe that, but my opinion is as such.
I don't believe the software is rigged.
I can't prove it is fair to the public though, neither have the software firms. A difficult job, but it is an issue that is not solved by the stamp of an audit firm or 2.
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| Posted by: eek at February 23, 2006, 8:39 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Just played a whole half hour of BJ which included:
1 Dealer run of 9 wins in a row at 739 to 1
1 Dealer run of 10 wins in a row at 1540 to 1
thank god I dont take it seriously anymore
....well the internet ersion anyway....
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| Posted by: eek at February 23, 2006, 7:49 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
I think things might improve if all internet casino managers have to play their wages 10x through the blackjack each month and whatever's left at the end is what they get paid.
I can just imagine their faces.....
I can give them some basic strategy advice.
Whatever you do, don't double.
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| Posted by: Blue at February 23, 2006, 7:26 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
So 32red, Casino on Net and Intercasino, BoDog, etc. are rigged? They're scammers?
I think you CAN say with a good degree of certainty that there are many reputable operators that aren't scams.
Obviously you don't believe that, but my opinion is as such.
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| Posted by: expert at February 22, 2006, 3:45 am | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Most of them are fair.I have played more than 200 casinos and I think only 3-4 of them are unfair.(connecto,goldennile...) Others are fair.They must be.
Most of them have a good name in industry,and they cant have risk with their name.
Expert
www.Fast-Payout-Casinos.com
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| Posted by: RedRum at February 21, 2006, 3:04 pm | | Topic: How fair are casinos? Forum: Winner Online |
Truely how fair are internet casinos? I've been told even the big names are rigged. That if you bet big money, your chance of success dwindles significantly.
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