| Posted by: TerryJ at April 2, 2006, 3:18 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Ok I am game. Email me the Information at grgx2003@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Terry
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| Posted by: Tomcat at March 31, 2006, 9:46 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
The current non-Java ersion of the Cipher software is stand-alone software. It provides Chi factors of arious dealer/player hands and gives statistics of each session. You can recall sessions from the casinos you wagered on, which can help in identifying a casino's particular quirks. Myself, I prefer the software over markers, moreso that it's free.
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| Posted by: drhuynh at March 31, 2006, 9:11 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Hello Cipher,
If my post did make you feel uncomfortable then it is my bad. Honestly, that's not the kind of reaction I would expect from you. However, I think you are way out of line when you start smearing me with personal insults. You act like Karl Rove to me.
I don't know much about your method but if it works, the only explaination to me
is because the RNG not randomized enough. Given the RNG is not randomized, somebody with paper and pen can do the same thing your software does. If there are any advantages, your software just do it faster because it is automated (BTW, is your software a client-server based ?).
Again, Sorry if my post make you angry Cipher. But if my English is annoying you, then you always have a choice to not reading it and keep your tone down for the sake of avoiding a flame war. Nobody force you to listen to Howard Stern. Just switch the channel and shut.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 31, 2006, 5:27 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by drhuynh
hello cipher.
Since you are seems to be so proud of your system and more than ready to challenge anyone, i would like to step forward and take the challenge in a different aspect.
Since i am not a heavy-weight online gambler and focus on sportbetting more, I only played at certain casino sites like eurobet, betandwin which allow me to do both casino and sportbetting. So if you want to challenge, let's pick eurobet because in my opinion, their software is pretty fair and they have good history of hand records as well as quick payout.
And then let's make the challenge interesting, we will just deposit $5 and play blackjack. Whoever can turn $5 into $100 (x20 deposited amount) will win. The purpose I suggest to use small depositing amount because of two reasons. First, I am just a short-money gambler and I play just for fun, that is my core principle. My daily job is good enough for me to make a living, no need for adrenaline r... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at March 30, 2006, 7:10 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
drhuynh, cipher ideo and stands is more than enough proof.
drhuynh if you doing well, you dont need the cipher program. If you doubt it works cause u only play for fun and dont have funds to depoist more than 400 to one k that on you.
Add the end of the day, what matters to me is my wallet is fatter before i begun
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| Posted by: drhuynh at March 30, 2006, 6:36 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
hello cipher.
Since you are seems to be so proud of your system and more than ready to challenge anyone, i would like to step forward and take the challenge in a different aspect.
Since i am not a heavy-weight online gambler and focus on sportbetting more, I only played at certain casino sites like eurobet, betandwin which allow me to do both casino and sportbetting. So if you want to challenge, let's pick eurobet because in my opinion, their software is pretty fair and they have good history of hand records as well as quick payout.
And then let's make the challenge interesting, we will just deposit $5 and play blackjack. Whoever can turn $5 into $100 (x20 deposited amount) will win. The purpose I suggest to use small depositing amount because of two reasons. First, I am just a short-money gambler and I play just for fun, that is my core principle. My daily job is good enough for me to make a living, no need for adrenaline rush. Second, It is harder to turn $5 into $100 ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bonuslover at March 30, 2006, 4:34 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Dear Cipher
I won't speak for other...'critics', but for me, I am not questioning about whether you are able to win in BJ. I know a lot about you, I read your history. As a matter of fact, if I lived in the US (or anywhere near it), I would pay you that $10,000 fee to have you play for me, seriously. However, put yourself in the our position as normal customers, if somebody comes upon you and brag (sorry, I can't find another better word) about how they got a system and make hundreds of thousands and offers his system for sale, the immediate quesiton that pops in your mind would be why this man would benefit from this sale if he were making so much money to begin with. But everytime somebody asks you this question, whether on WOL or CM you ignore them. Once that mystery is solved, I would suscribe once your software is ready for download.
Have a good one.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 30, 2006, 3:54 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
ain't I surprised
your totally ignoring the man's question (not saying you are obliged to answering it but still)
if its that good, no one in the right mind will take it to the public and call 667 others to be your bosses
and 8 years for that piece of software? you woulda been waaay better off using 3 of it for a programming degree, at least you learn how to program and they teach you basic statistics
have a good one
Gee BONUS LOVER:
I wish I was only half as smart as you. You know I'll bet you could even figure out how to teach me a thing or two about the game of Blackjack.
Why heck, I'm even willing to put up my $10,000.00 against your $10,000.00. We'll play a hundred sessions of Blackjack (35 hands per session) and who ever has the largest winning percentage of sessions netting $300.00 or more per session at the end of the hundred sessions gets the other persons $10,000.00.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at March 30, 2006, 1:31 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
Hi theguru:
Your question is legitimate and deserves an answer. At last check (as of the morning I've got 667 active users of the CIPHER program. That's 667 mouths talking about the CIPHER program in 667 different areas of influence.
I've done ery well for myself over the last eight years but I'm in this for the long haul.
From those 667 active users I'm generally picking up 5 or so clients that are not interested in using the program themselves but they are interested in participating on a client basis, which makes the client and I even more money.
Have a good one.
Cipher
ain't I surprised
your totally ignoring the man's question (not saying you are obliged to answering it but still)
if its that good, no one in the right mind will take it to the public and call 667 others to be your bosses
and 8 years for that piece of software? you woulda been waaay better off using 3 of it for a program... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cipher at March 30, 2006, 11:06 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by theguru
Cipher and Bethug,
I am not going to question your system as I know not enough about it and do not wish to partake in true gambling to find out, that is, not having the odds in my favour. I just have one pressing question through this whole discussion.....
If the theory (system) works and you are able to alter your bets due to a forseen situation in arious softwares, would that not mean that after 8 years you should be a multi millionaire through exploiting the flaws in these softwares. And if you are not already, why would you be giving this information out to the general public? Don't you fear that just as the good ole bonus days have passed us by that the casinos will get wise to this system and alter their software?
Like I said, I have no idea whether this works or not. At heart, and because I used to make a living playing with bonuses I am of the opinion that statistics and mathmatics rule games which are based on numbe... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dasflo at March 30, 2006, 9:21 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
That's exactly what I would like to know!
I am an AMATEUR at blackjack and I think "maybe, just maybe, Cipher's System works". But I think, we all would like some answers to these questions:
- Why do you make your system public
- If you don't charge for your system (you claied that in this thread), then why don't you just make your software available for download on your site along with a user's guide?
I think we can ask these questions without insulting you, Cipher, before we even start to discuss your system. Would you mind answering them?
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| Posted by: theguru at March 30, 2006, 7:59 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Cipher and Bethug,
I am not going to question your system as I know not enough about it and do not wish to partake in true gambling to find out, that is, not having the odds in my favour. I just have one pressing question through this whole discussion.....
If the theory (system) works and you are able to alter your bets due to a forseen situation in arious softwares, would that not mean that after 8 years you should be a multi millionaire through exploiting the flaws in these softwares. And if you are not already, why would you be giving this information out to the general public? Don't you fear that just as the good ole bonus days have passed us by that the casinos will get wise to this system and alter their software?
Like I said, I have no idea whether this works or not. At heart, and because I used to make a living playing with bonuses I am of the opinion that statistics and mathmatics rule games which are based on numbers. What I truly question is why you would make... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at March 28, 2006, 6:41 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Cipher
I won't challenge you on whether online gaming is predictable or whether it is at all beatable using trend analysis. However, allow me to make a fair comment- it took you 8 years to build that program? I was watching the ideo and there are a few points I'd like to make:
- when you raise your bets, you often do it arbitrarily, that is, sometimes it is a bet equivalent to your aggragate loss, sometimes it's half your bankroll and even your entire bankroll (which by the way doesn't allow you to split aces). Your program doesn't tell you what to bet.
- Cipher (your software) tells you when to hit and double, etc but everybody knows basic strategy so that part is somewhat 'useless', let alone it doesn't take into consideration that minor changes got to be made for different software for maximization.
- each time you have to crunch in the numbers but it appears Cipher is not making any use of it, so what's the point?
- why does ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 4:25 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Cipher
I won't challenge you on whether online gaming is predictable or whether it is at all beatable using trend analysis. However, allow me to make a fair comment- it took you 8 years to build that program? I was watching the ideo and there are a few points I'd like to make:
- when you raise your bets, you often do it arbitrarily, that is, sometimes it is a bet equivalent to your aggragate loss, sometimes it's half your bankroll and even your entire bankroll (which by the way doesn't allow you to split aces). Your program doesn't tell you what to bet.
- Cipher (your software) tells you when to hit and double, etc but everybody knows basic strategy so that part is somewhat 'useless', let alone it doesn't take into consideration that minor changes got to be made for different software for maximization.
- each time you have to crunch in the numbers but it appears Cipher is not making any use of it, so what's the point?
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 4:15 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by drhuynh
In certain aspects, I believe in what Cipher is talking about. I worked in the casino software industry and have written automated tools to test the randomness of the numbers generated in roulette and have seen a few casino softwares that do not randomize enough. My question to Cipher is though, whether or not the method you described working against certified (e.i by Technical Systems Testing) software like Wagerwork. For low-budget software, I agree that their randomizing pattern is slightly predictable. For well-tested casino software, I doubt if your winning method is anything but mere luck.
Hi drhuynh:
Well I'd say that INTERCASINO, BET FRED and BET365 are some pretty tried and tested software platforms. Wouldn't you?
Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: bonuslover at March 28, 2006, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Cipher
I won't challenge you on whether online gaming is predictable or whether it is at all beatable using trend analysis. However, allow me to make a fair comment- it took you 8 years to build that program? I was watching the ideo and there are a few points I'd like to make:
- when you raise your bets, you often do it arbitrarily, that is, sometimes it is a bet equivalent to your aggragate loss, sometimes it's half your bankroll and even your entire bankroll (which by the way doesn't allow you to split aces). Your program doesn't tell you what to bet.
- Cipher (your software) tells you when to hit and double, etc but everybody knows basic strategy so that part is somewhat 'useless', let alone it doesn't take into consideration that minor changes got to be made for different software for maximization.
- each time you have to crunch in the numbers but it appears Cipher is not making any use of it, so what's the point?
- why does a player have to give preference to Cipher? I could hav... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: drhuynh at March 28, 2006, 3:48 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
In certain aspects, I believe in what Cipher is talking about. I worked in the casino software industry and have written automated tools to test the randomness of the numbers generated in roulette and have seen a few casino softwares that do not randomize enough. My question to Cipher is though, whether or not the method you described working against certified (e.i by Technical Systems Testing) software like Wagerwork. For low-budget software, I agree that their randomizing pattern is slightly predictable. For well-tested casino software, I doubt if your winning method is anything but mere luck.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 1:50 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
No one will question the alidity of the data insofar as it represents an honest report - the ideoing or whatever just backups up the alidity. The problem is that the data doesn't prove the contention that the method represents EV+ play / "winner" play or whatever we want to call it, because it cannot, being no more than a report of an event / events. It's interesting at best, but it cannot prove anything because proofs don't work that way.
1a) All elephants are pink.
1b) Nellie is an elephant.
1c) Nellie is pink.
2a) Anecdotal evidence proves a contention.
2b) My anecdotal evidence shows that I am winning.
2c) My method is therefore a winning method.
Problem? faulty premise: elephants are not pink, and anecdotal evidence
does not prove a contention.
Hi Caruso:
Anecdotal or not. A win is a win is a win. The more wins I put togethe... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at March 28, 2006, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
Additionally, when I post my strands...I generally post the erifications from the casino or the actual ideos of the Blackjack sessions so that those that will doubt (and there are always those that will) whether the CIPHER program works have no way around it. And that means "no way" none (zero) for those wanna be mathematicians who refuse to believe in nothing but numbers.
No one will question the alidity of the data insofar as it represents an honest report - the ideoing or whatever just backups up the alidity. The problem is that the data doesn't prove the contention that the method represents EV+ play / "winner" play or whatever we want to call it, because it cannot, being no more than a report of an event / events. It's interesting at best, but it cannot prove anything because proofs don't work that way.
1a) All elephants are pink.
1b) Nellie is an elephant.
1c) Nellie is pink.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 12:35 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Hey Cipher
Your 'stuff' begins to fascinate me really.
It appears to me that you would spend time and big bucks on some minority softwares. So I guess you have the utmost faith that online gambling is not rigged. But aren't you worried at all that the casino would eventually tag you as an advance player and rig your game so that you can win all those $1 but you lose all those $500s?
Hi Bonus Lover:
I've spent the last eight years developing the CIPHER program and it works exceedingly well.
Additionally, when I post my strands on http://www.cipherblackjack.com, I generally post the erifications from the casino or the actual ideos of the Blackjack sessions so that those that will doubt (and there are always those that will) whether the CIPHER program works have no way around it. And that means "no way" none (zero) for those wanna be mathematicians who refuse to believe in nothing but numbers.
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| Posted by: sabre1 at March 28, 2006, 12:25 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Hey Cipher
Your 'stuff' begins to fascinate me really.
It appears to me that you would spend time and big bucks on some minority softwares. So I guess you have the utmost faith that online gambling is not rigged. But aren't you worried at all that the casino would eventually tag you as an advance player and rig your game so that you can win all those $1 but you lose all those $500s?
No no ... online gambling is rigged. You see ... they say its random, but it obviously can't be, since cipher is taking advantage of their non-random card distribution. But he's got the one up on them, since he's figured out not just that they're dealing non-randomly, but he's found a way to turn their non-randomness back on them. You see, he's found patterns that he can exploit to gain a player advantage. This is how he makes his money. He's really turning the tables on those crooked casinos.
Of course they wouldn't rig the game to make c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bonuslover at March 28, 2006, 10:38 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
Alrightee then, I knew you'd see it my way. Just don't forget to bring your check book in the event you might want to try and prove me wrong at some later date.
Have a good one.
Cipher
Hey Cipher
Your 'stuff' begins to fascinate me really.
It appears to me that you would spend time and big bucks on some minority softwares. So I guess you have the utmost faith that online gambling is not rigged. But aren't you worried at all that the casino would eventually tag you as an advance player and rig your game so that you can win all those $1 but you lose all those $500s?
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 8:40 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sabre1
You can call a rock a ham sandwich with suitcase sauce in a pink tutu. But it isn't .... and you aren't.
I'll hand it to you though, you've outlined your psychotic ramblings ery well at cipherblackjack.com. Anyone who compares wizardofodds.com with your site, and decides that you are the oice of reason, probably deserves to get fleeced.
But that doesn't make what you do any less despicable.
Alrightee then, I knew you'd see it my way. Just don't forget to bring your check book in the event you might want to try and prove me wrong at some later date.
Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: sabre1 at March 28, 2006, 8:30 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
that's what I call being a skilled player, not a lucky player.
You can call a rock a ham sandwich with suitcase sauce in a pink tutu. But it isn't .... and you aren't.
I'll hand it to you though, you've outlined your psychotic ramblings ery well at cipherblackjack.com. Anyone who compares wizardofodds.com with your site, and decides that you are the oice of reason, probably deserves to get fleeced.
But that doesn't make what you do any less despicable.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 7:30 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sabre1
Too bad you haven't spent some of that money on an English tutor.
Spelling and grammar just aren't high on the list of priorities of a gambling mastermind such as yourself I guess.
Cipher, please don't expect people with an understanding of probability and statistics to respect the opinions of someone like you who DOESN'T BELIEVE IN BASIC MATHEMATICS. These contrived theories come directly from 1+0 = 1. If you don't believe that 1+0 = 1, then that's fine. But don't ridicule those of us who do.
PS - How are the sales of your gambling systems going?
Do you know anything about facts and the game of Blackjack or are you just willing to pop off with suppositions and theory.
Anytime you care to put your suppositions and theory to the test against my FACTS and KNOWLEDGE of the game of Blackjack you know where I can be found. Who knows this could be your chance for that big pay day you've ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 7:18 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Regarding "real life" application: the same response to Damian applies here: anecdotal evidence is proof of nothing. The other day I won £2000 in about 15 seconds; what does this prove? I'm a "good gambler"? Of course not, it proves nothing other than I got lucky. Additionally, as it happens, I was following one of Shakleford's "contrived theories", because I was playing pontoon.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point Caruso. When you won that 2,000 pounds on that one day you were in fact lucky. But when I win 65 sessions in a row without a losing session over a 5-7 day period of time, that's what I call being a skilled player, not a lucky player.
Have a good one.
Cipher
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| Posted by: sabre1 at March 28, 2006, 7:13 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
Trader 1.1, i seen homeboy play on TV he does not know what he is doing. Most people with alot of knowledge dont make money.
There people beating the casino on a daily basics. His computer generating threoies dont mean nothing. They use computers to see the out come of the iraq war.
My proof is the money in bank
Too bad you haven't spent some of that money on an English tutor.
Spelling and grammar just aren't high on the list of priorities of a gambling mastermind such as yourself I guess.
Quote: Originally Posted by cipher
In point of fact I'll put my 65 sessions of play in a row without a loss at INTERCASINO up against any play that the Wizard of Odds has ever accomplished. That's a real life application and not some contrived theory.
Cipher, please don't expect people with an understanding of probability and statistics to respect the opinions of someone like you who DOE... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at March 28, 2006, 5:48 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
Trader 1.1, i seen homeboy play on TV he does not know what he is doing. Most people with alot of knowledge dont make money.
What does this mean?
Quote: Originally Posted by Cipher
An Actuary is a loss prevention expert (of sorts) I guess. But that gives absolutely no credence to any notion that the Wizard of Odds is in anyway a talented Blackjack player at all. In point of fact I'll put my 65 sessions of play in a row without a loss at INTERCASINO up against any play that the Wizard of Odds has ever accomplished. That's a real life application and not some contrived theory.
I am also a musician. Does this make me incompetent in matters related to gambling?
Shakleford does not claim to be an expert player, and expert players do not all claim competence in his field. His field is the analysis of gambling games, not their real life or cyber application. In his field, he is one of the undisputed ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bonuslover at March 28, 2006, 5:02 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
Trader 1.1, i seen homeboy play on TV he does not know what he is doing. Most people with alot of knowledge dont make money.
There people beating the casino on a daily basics. His computer generating threoies dont mean nothing. They use computers to see the out come of the iraq war.
My proof is the money in bank
Regardless of what you say, I respect you just because of your confidence you have for yourself. That's what seperating boys from men.
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| Posted by: cipher at March 28, 2006, 4:49 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Trader 1.1
Come on, Damian. While Michael Shackleford, aka The Wizards of Odds, is perfectly able to defend his own opinions, I suggest you check out his credentials at http://wizardofodds.com/general/.
His opinion is based on mathematical proof and not on any desire to sell you a better betting system. Perhaps I missed it, but is your doctoral dissertation on the subject available at bookstores? Maybe you just allowed your actuary license to lapse and forgot what you learned in probability theory.
Wait a minute. Michael Shackleford is an Actuary (A statistician who computes insurance risks and premiums.) One of the most memorable statistical failures of all time was when an "Actuary" informed Star Shipping lines of the odds that the Titanic would not sink. Guess what, the Titanic is at the bottom of the ocean.
An Actuary is a loss prevention expert (of sorts) I guess. But that gives absolutely no credence to any noti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at March 24, 2006, 12:30 pm | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Trader 1.1, i seen homeboy play on TV he does not know what he is doing. Most people with alot of knowledge dont make money.
There people beating the casino on a daily basics. His computer generating threoies dont mean nothing. They use computers to see the out come of the iraq war.
My proof is the money in bank
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at March 24, 2006, 11:24 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Come on, Damian. While Michael Shackleford, aka The Wizards of Odds, is perfectly able to defend his own opinions, I suggest you check out his credentials at http://wizardofodds.com/general/.
His opinion is based on mathematical proof and not on any desire to sell you a better betting system. Perhaps I missed it, but is your doctoral dissertation on the subject available at bookstores? Maybe you just allowed your actuary license to lapse and forgot what you learned in probability theory.
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at March 21, 2006, 4:49 am | | Topic: Is reliable income possible from online gambling? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by CESARE CASH
I have been browsing at this forum for sometime. There is a good amount of information and entertainment in the theads that I have read. This one is confusing to me.. It has been written in here that bonuses from consinos are a good thing. I have also seen that players should not accept bonus and play with thier own monies.. Both sides appear trustworthy to this reader. Can someone help , Cesare is confused...
Is that the typo of the month or a dose of sarcasm Cesare?
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