| Posted by: iceberg8888 at June 30, 2006, 1:30 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | signed up through bw, but losing my ass to chasers. too many ppl that thinks A rag is the nuts. I guess I would have to endure the short term volatility
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 26, 2006, 9:23 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Gunnarr wrote: A bonus id like to see that would be pretty good for all involved would be something like 1000 dollars for 8000 points. A 8x bonus would be great for the player and still make the site some money. The 8000 points would retain the player to play at that site for a pretty good amount of time etc.
This bonus would also make BW some coin as the sites making money and 8000 pts worth of play multiplied by all us whores should be a sweet deal to them as well.
Gunn
yep...if an ongame site offered me a perpetual 7X bonus, I would be there all day
too bad I am from the US or I would be all over bet24.com
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| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 26, 2006, 9:17 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | terrellk11 wrote: MyTurn2Raise wrote: BTW---I just checked my account and the 'extra' pending bonuses have been taken away
MyTurn2Raise wrote: Nicodemus is right
some of you are actually blowing it by doing these things
small term gain for long-term loss
do you expect Hollywood to give 5X reloads in the future now?
etc.
Seems like you've changed your opinion on this one over the last couple of days. You weren't so worried about it when you signed up for multiple bonuses but now that they've revoked them it bothers you?
I signed up for the big 15X reloads which do not hurt anyone...they make both the site and affiliate money
I think there is a big difference. Perhaps, I am wrong, but I doubt it.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at June 26, 2006, 9:06 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: jaustin wrote: on a slightly different note...
Gonzo, any hope for July reloads, or are those out of the question.
Also, does HWP have any June (or July) reloads besides the BW ones?
I'm pretty sure they do, or at least they did. Look at the promotions page.
The HP manager has told us that everyone at some point should get one reload a month. My understanding is that these particular BW reloads replaced what is normally offered by HP (basically everything the same except we offered a 5x). That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if players were able to get some sort of regular bonus this month as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: itsallaboutthemusic at June 26, 2006, 8:49 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | hmm, im not going to spend hours reading up on the latest scam people have tried. i went for the 5x bonus at max, cleared it, and rolled while clearing it. i like the site (well, really the players) so much that i reloaded for the 12x ipod shuffle bonus. clearing that now, but not doing near as well as before. im basically even including the bonus ive cleared so far at this point.
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| Posted by: Gunnarr at June 26, 2006, 8:42 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | A bonus id like to see that would be pretty good for all involved would be something like 1000 dollars for 8000 points. A 8x bonus would be great for the player and still make the site some money. The 8000 points would retain the player to play at that site for a pretty good amount of time etc.
This bonus would also make BW some coin as the sites making money and 8000 pts worth of play multiplied by all us whores should be a sweet deal to them as well.
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| Posted by: JPMcMoney at June 26, 2006, 7:46 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Thank you for the response Nicodemus. I actually agree with you and this is why I only loaded it once. I guess my point was along the lines of, "are you surprised the whores on here would take advantage?" Now that I have a better understanding of what this costs BW, I completely agree that the bonus abuse is a really shitty thing to do to a site that has done nothing but take care of you. Hell, now I feel bad for doing the 5x signup and not the 10x (though as I said before, I have pretty much been on autopilot with these - just trying to maximize hourly rate and doing the 5x and 7x's when I can).
Also, I thought someone posted that HWP took away all the multiple pending reload bonuses that people had. I hope this is the case.
Anyways, thanks again for the great offers Gonzo and jek, sorry my 5x bonuses arent bringing anything into BW. I promise you you made a killing off my FullTilt account though.
JP
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 26, 2006, 5:36 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | jaustin wrote: on a slightly different note...
Gonzo, any hope for July reloads, or are those out of the question.
Also, does HWP have any June (or July) reloads besides the BW ones?
I'm pretty sure they do, or at least they did. Look at the promotions page.
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| Posted by: bedofnails at June 26, 2006, 4:31 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicodemus wrote: terrellk11 wrote:
Seems like you've changed your opinion on this one over the last couple of days. You weren't so worried about it when you signed up for multiple bonuses but now that they've revoked them it bothers you?
I know this was addressed to MyTurn2Raise, but I think it's possible for people to actually be convinced by my (apprarently) uncivil rants (pardon me while get my barf-bag when thinking about all the fucking polite police that seem to have sprung up around here).
I think it is possible that many don't really realize the potential damage that is being done by real bonus abuse (not the false claims of "bonus abuse" by sites like Bodog and bet365) to both the community at large and BW.com in particular. Let's face it, Casino bonuses have been ruined by abuse and overuse and led to FAR more acrimony on these forums than anything I could ever say in frustration at all the stupid shit I have seen around lately.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at June 26, 2006, 4:01 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | On a roll lately, Nico. Your delivery isn't always the best, but the message is usually right on target.
I have to agree with you. When people are reloading multiple times when it is an obvious error, and spreading that knowledge far and wide, it really damages the likelihood of bonuses of that type in the future, which hurts EVERYBODY in the long run. Hollywood may have been thinking of offering these a few times a year, but may seriously reconsider after this fiasco. It's a really fine line we walk as whores - we want to take full advantage of every bonus that comes our way, including taking advantage of Party's slipups when they forget to make reload codes account specific - yet, we have to be careful not to overabuse some bonuses like these when an error on their backend allows people to reuse the same code over and over again. It is obvious this is an error, yet people are here reloading 4, 5, 6, 8 times.
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| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 26, 2006, 3:48 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | terrellk11 wrote:
Seems like you've changed your opinion on this one over the last couple of days. You weren't so worried about it when you signed up for multiple bonuses but now that they've revoked them it bothers you?
I know this was addressed to MyTurn2Raise, but I think it's possible for people to actually be convinced by my (apprarently) uncivil rants (pardon me while get my barf-bag when thinking about all the fucking polite police that seem to have sprung up around here).
I think it is possible that many don't really realize the potential damage that is being done by real bonus abuse (not the false claims of "bonus abuse" by sites like Bodog and bet365) to both the community at large and BW.com in particular. Let's face it, Casino bonuses have been ruined by abuse and overuse and led to FAR more acrimony on these forums than anything I could ever say in frustration at all the stupid shit I have seen around lately.
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| Posted by: terrellk11 at June 26, 2006, 12:46 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | MyTurn2Raise wrote: BTW---I just checked my account and the 'extra' pending bonuses have been taken away
MyTurn2Raise wrote: Nicodemus is right
some of you are actually blowing it by doing these things
small term gain for long-term loss
do you expect Hollywood to give 5X reloads in the future now?
etc.
Seems like you've changed your opinion on this one over the last couple of days. You weren't so worried about it when you signed up for multiple bonuses but now that they've revoked them it bothers you? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MyTurn2Raise at June 26, 2006, 12:15 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicodemus is right
some of you are actually blowing it by doing these things
small term gain for long-term loss
do you expect Hollywood to give 5X reloads in the future now?
etc
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| Posted by: Nicodemus at June 26, 2006, 2:23 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Sorry but the semantics and lack of understanding at what people are talking about is too idiotic for words. 5x bonuses on the OnGame network are the exact equivalent (at 10 player games) of a 140% rakeback deal as offered by rakeback affiliates. If you don't understand this by now, and having read all the above posts - you are too stupid to bother trying to convince.
JP:
Rakeback is NOT calculated on rake paid, but rather total rake divided by number of players (check the rb column in session notes in PT if you are using the latest betas).
With respect to affiliate arrangements and your lack of knowledge/understanding, the point is that BW DID NOT realize that people could use the code MULTIPLE TIMES to get multiple bonuses, Gonzo SPECIFICALLY said we could only use it once earlier in this thread. Despite this glitch, there were people sitting at my table the other night BRAGGING about getting the 5x bonus EIGHT TIMES on their account. This is abuse of the worst type, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ajk123 at June 25, 2006, 8:46 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: How are the confirming the extra "freebie" after you complete the bonus? I cleared the requirements for the bonus yesterday, and have heard nothing from them regarding the freebie or taking those points out of my account.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 25, 2006, 7:26 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Wolfman wrote: We could, except I'm not expressing rakeback.
I'm figuring the BONUS.
The Bonus will always be 15% of the total table rake, because that's how Hollywood figures it.
You get points based on total table rake, not on contributed rake. Those points equal dollars. 15%.
At a 10-seat table they are giving back 140% of the rake they take. That is why it is called a 140% rakeback bonus. 10 guys put $2 in. Pot = $20. Rake = $1. Each guy gets .7 pts = 14c. They pay $1.40 back.
Your bonus IS the 140% rakeback!! Play break-even poker and you are ahead.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at June 25, 2006, 6:43 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | | How are the confirming the extra "freebie" after you complete the bonus? I cleared the requirements for the bonus yesterday, and have heard nothing from them regarding the freebie or taking those points out of my account. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at June 24, 2006, 10:22 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | We talk about a 5x as a 140% rakeback equivalent. Nobody (I mean NOBODY) expresses anything with the word "rakeback" in it as a percentage of total table rake. It just doesn't happen.
Your initial post was correcting people referring to this as a 140% rakeback equivalent, telling them it was closer to 15%. You are arguing semantics, for crying out loud. (And BTW, it is 14%, not 15%, if we use your way of expressing things.) We express things sometimes as rakeback equivalents to show the relative value of the bonus to people playing them - it is obvious to most people that if they are getting 140% of their rake back, then the bonus is a net loser for the site and must be fairly decent, wherein a 10x bonus that provides a 70% rakeback equivalent (the mainstay of the PokerRoom reload bonuses out there) are obviously not net losers for OnGame in the long run, even if it cuts into their profits by a good bit.
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| Posted by: Wolfman at June 24, 2006, 9:19 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | We could, except I'm not expressing rakeback.
I'm figuring the BONUS.
The Bonus will always be 15% of the total table rake, because that's how Hollywood figures it.
You get points based on total table rake, not on contributed rake. Those points equal dollars. 15%. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at June 24, 2006, 9:06 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | You're being really dense here, wolfman. Nobody is disputing your math at this point, just your way of expressing rakeback. According to you, a 25% rakeback deal (advertised at many places) would need to be 25% of the total TABLE rake, which is obviously absurd, as if each person at the table was receiving that, the site would be paying out over 2.5 times what they are generating in rake. Nobody says "I have a 2.5% rakeback deal", and that is where the heart of this incredibly long thread-within-a-thread is coming from. Everybody calculates rakeback as a percentage of their personal table share of the rake, not as a percentage of the total TABLE rake.
Your calculations are really identical to everybody else's when you take into account the difference in how you personally express rakeback. Can we just let this go and move on? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Wolfman at June 24, 2006, 8:42 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | | You people do realize that if you divide a number by 10, then multiply it by 140% you get the exact same result as if you just took 14% (just slightly under 15%) of the number in the first place, no? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: micha1100 at June 24, 2006, 7:00 am | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | | Maybe alittle late, but I'd like to clarify that when I spoke of "contributed rake" I did not mean any contribution to any pot but the full rake that is taken from the pots you win. I was under the impression that rakeback means a partly refund of the money the house has deducted from the pots you won. If that is not so then I was wrong, but in another way than you seemed to think. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JPMcMoney at June 23, 2006, 11:02 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicodemus wrote: JPMcMoney wrote: Does it really work out to 140% rakeback? I mean, I know it says 5x, but the way a point is earned at hollywood is different than just a true 5x. In fact, at the NL100 level, I had to play about 2600 hands to hit 1000 points. I don't think that works out to 140% rakeback. In regards to the multiple load issue, I myself only loaded it once, however, if hollywood made it available, my point was can you really blame anyone (especially someone who considers themselves a "bonuswhore") for taking full advantage of it?
As for how BW gets paid off of it, I didn't realize they would take "a hit" for bonuses that are greater than 100% rakeback. That makes zero sense to me. I could see where Hollywood may give them a much lower percentage on the player based on the play earned, but negative? I would think this would scare most affiliates away and would be bad business for the site. Just my 2 cents.
JP
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| Posted by: Benholio at June 23, 2006, 8:06 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Tight winning players win a lower quantity of hands, AND a lower volume of hands, actually. The reason you still come out on top isn't because the number/size of your wins, but because of the size of your losses.
Regular loose fish might have a night like:
Won 68 pots for $955. Lose 225 pots for $1186. Net: -$231, paid rake on $955 of pots
While a tighter winning player at his table might have looked more like:
Won 40 pots for $725. Lose 253 pots for $615. Net: $110, paid rake on $725 of pots
But as you said, this thread is completely de-railed now.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 23, 2006, 4:15 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | WordWhiz wrote: Mikke_ wrote:
BTW, this 140% will be an average personal contribution return - a winning player will get less as he will pay more personal rake because he takes more pots down. It will be higher for a losing player as he still gets all the .7 pts per dollar, even if he never takes down a pot and pays the rake personally.
Just the opposite, actually. Your typical losing player will take down more pots, on average, than a typical winning player, and thus his personal contribution to the rake will be higher than the winner's.
OK - what I meant was bigger volume of pots, not number of pots. I used the wrong words when I said personal contribution also - should have been personally paid - I meant rake you pay because you won the pot, not the part you played in a pot. The rake that PT tracks that you have paid.
e.g. A player may win 10 $20 dollar pots in a row, and the site would deduct $10 in rake. The player would have personally pai... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: WordWhiz at June 23, 2006, 2:54 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote:
BTW, this 140% will be an average personal contribution return - a winning player will get less as he will pay more personal rake because he takes more pots down. It will be higher for a losing player as he still gets all the .7 pts per dollar, even if he never takes down a pot and pays the rake personally.
Just the opposite, actually. Your typical losing player will take down more pots, on average, than a typical winning player, and thus his personal contribution to the rake will be higher than the winner's. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 23, 2006, 2:06 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | ajk123 wrote: Mikke_ wrote: ajk123 wrote: Mikke_ wrote: Lets make it simple...
Looks like 140% to me.
I hope this settles it.....
Looks good to me.
Although I do kind of understand where Wolf went wrong. His own particular share of the bonus would be 14% (or as he stated slightly under 15%) of the total table rake, as they would only pay him $.14 bonus out of the $1 in rake. So in fact it's all semantics. But to most Wolf is wrong.
Yeah - but his contribution to the $1 rake would have been 10c, and he would have 14c returned. If he had been the guy to win the pot, he would have paid $1 rake and only got 14c back, but the other guys still get their 14c too. Average it out, and in 1 lap, you would pay $1 rake once, and receive 14c 10 times. The error is in forgetting that you also get 14c when someone else pays the $1 rake.
I'm not arguing anything. I understand the 140% rakeback. Wolf is wrong in the way... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: terrellk11 at June 23, 2006, 2:05 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Wolfman wrote: Quote: It would be impossible to relate a bonus structure to a contributed rakeback model, since every player has a different style.
And since this bonus is calculated directly from total table rake, it is easy to express as a percentage of such.
For every $7 in rake that Hollywood collects, you get $1. Just under 15%.
But you didn't pay that $7 so you're not getting it "back." On average, you paid 70 cents of it (more or less depending on your style of play).
If you want to look at it your way, for every $7 of rake that Hollywood collects, they are giving back $10 because they are giving $1 to each person at the table. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ajk123 at June 23, 2006, 2:01 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Wolfman wrote: Quote: It would be impossible to relate a bonus structure to a contributed rakeback model, since every player has a different style.
And since this bonus is calculated directly from total table rake, it is easy to express as a percentage of such.
For every $7 in rake that Hollywood collects, you get $1. Just under 15%.
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| Posted by: ajk123 at June 23, 2006, 2:00 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: ajk123 wrote: Mikke_ wrote: Lets make it simple...
Looks like 140% to me.
I hope this settles it.....
Looks good to me.
Although I do kind of understand where Wolf went wrong. His own particular share of the bonus would be 14% (or as he stated slightly under 15%) of the total table rake, as they would only pay him $.14 bonus out of the $1 in rake. So in fact it's all semantics. But to most Wolf is wrong.
Yeah - but his contribution to the $1 rake would have been 10c, and he would have 14c returned. If he had been the guy to win the pot, he would have paid $1 rake and only got 14c back, but the other guys still get their 14c too. Average it out, and in 1 lap, you would pay $1 rake once, and receive 14c 10 times. The error is in forgetting that you also get 14c when someone else pays the $1 rake.
I'm not arguing anything. I understand the 140% rakeback. Wolf is wrong in the way he calculates 15% rak... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 23, 2006, 2:00 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | P.S. Please note that the math for 140% rakeback would only apply at 10 seater tables.
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| Posted by: Wolfman at June 23, 2006, 1:59 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: It would be impossible to relate a bonus structure to a contributed rakeback model, since every player has a different style.
And since this bonus is calculated directly from total table rake, it is easy to express as a percentage of such.
For every $7 in rake that Hollywood collects, you get $1. Just under 15%. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at June 23, 2006, 1:43 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Thank you Gonzo and Mikke. I'm afraid that wolfman is calculating the "rakeback" percentages that the bonus relates to as a total of all the rake, forgetting that it needs to be split amongst the players at the table. I don't know of any rakeback system that gives you a percentage of the total table rake - that would be insane.
Wolfman: I'm sorry if my comments about "doing the math" seemed condescending on some way to you -- about the only reason I can think of for your rather nasty reply. It certainly wasn't intended to be rude to you; rather, just a correction in how rakeback percentages are normally expressed.
Although PR does use a contributed raked model for their backend accounting purposes, my examples of discussing this as a rakeback extended to a simple revenue sharing model where the amount of rake was divided evenly between the players. It would be impossible to relate a bonus structure to a contributed rakeback model, since every player has a differen... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: B-hustler at June 23, 2006, 1:28 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Actually, many rakeback deals are contributed, but you may not realize it.
Full Tilt Poker, any PokerRoom site, and Doyle's Room all calculate MGR as a function of your contribution to the rake.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 23, 2006, 1:20 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | ajk123 wrote: Mikke_ wrote: Lets make it simple...
Looks like 140% to me.
I hope this settles it.....
Looks good to me.
Although I do kind of understand where Wolf went wrong. His own particular share of the bonus would be 14% (or as he stated slightly under 15%) of the total table rake, as they would only pay him $.14 bonus out of the $1 in rake. So in fact it's all semantics. But to most Wolf is wrong.
Yeah - but his contribution to the $1 rake would have been 10c, and he would have 14c returned. If he had been the guy to win the pot, he would have paid $1 rake and only got 14c back, but the other guys still get their 14c too. Average it out, and in 1 lap, you would pay $1 rake once, and receive 14c 10 times. The error is in forgetting that you also get 14c when someone else pays the $1 rake.
BTW, this 140% will be an average personal contribution return - a winning player will get less as he will pay more personal rake... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ajk123 at June 23, 2006, 1:16 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: Lets make it simple...
Looks like 140% to me.
I hope this settles it.....
Looks good to me.
Although I do kind of understand where Wolf went wrong. His own particular share of the bonus would be 14% (or as he stated slightly under 15%) of the total table rake, as they would only pay him $.14 bonus out of the $1 in rake. So in fact it's all semantics. But to most Wolf is wrong. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at June 23, 2006, 12:47 pm | | Topic: BW Hollywood Poker reloads- including 5x Forum: Bonus Whores | Lets make it simple...
10 guys sit at a table. Everybody bets $2, flop is AAA and then everyone is too scared to continue.
Total Pot = $20. Rake = $1.
Everyone gets .7 points. Total points given = 7. Value of 7 points = $1.40.
Looks like 140% to me.
I hope this settles it.....
My 2c.
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