| Posted by: ShivaCasino.com at June 1, 2006, 2:58 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
Due to a trip I will not be able to post anymore until next week.
Joeyl, unfortunately you are not eligible for my tomatoes as you have read my terms too wisely. Winning too many tomatoes disqualifies you from receiving them and no further discussion will be put into this matter. =)
On what reason they this has done?
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 29, 2006, 4:17 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Phynqster, head you actually read this thread you would have seen that an early withdrawal of the bonus only leads to a cancelation of the bonus but not its winnings.
Edit: I also stated that Schankwart will PAY for tomatoes and not SEND you some! -But no tomato-funds for you yet. I suggest to buy your own ones.
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| Posted by: BingoT at May 29, 2006, 3:56 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by max
and later
Read the quotes already provided here (post #34 in this thread). You said what you said and the implication is pretty clear if you ask me. If you now choose to disown that that's your business but as far as I'm concerned you still owe CM an apology, us too for that matter.
As long as you obey the <a href="http://www.winneronline.com/boardrules.html" target="boardrules" onclick="window.open('http://www.winneronline.com/boardrules.html', 'boardrules', 'width=300,height=350,resizble=1,scrollbars=1')">Rules & Policies</a> you can continue to post here but don't EVER ask for my help again. You've demonstrated that (a) your problems are never ending and (b) you'll happily stab those who do try to help you in the back as soon as it suits you to do so. I wash my hands of you and your incessant "troubles" Schank.
After looking at all this I have to agree with Max
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| Posted by: phynqster at May 29, 2006, 2:13 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Shankie talks in third person? I guess this thread got to him.
WWV talked to me about the bonuses also before I played again, but only told me that an early withdrawal would result in a forfeiting of the bonus.
I think this is the basis for them witholding your win. Not that you played craps or roulette, but that you claimed the bonus but did not make the playthrough when you cashed out. As your quote above shows, they had warned you that they would not accept an early cash out from a bonus.
Please send me the first tomato, lol.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 29, 2006, 1:56 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Though I know that my chances to receive my money from WWV are almost non-existent, I have decided to finish this issue off to once more show that one can believe what Schankwart wrote! Those of you that have accurately followed my posts over the last few years do know this already anyways.
My persistence to hunt the Casinos that have treated me unfairly has helped me to successfuly resolve pretty much all and any of my disputes. On the other hand I have supported the outfits that offered me great service.
I do not care about the money WWV took from me anymore. The reason why I am still posting here is different.
As I have announced a couple days ago already, Schankwart is going to step back from the public forums anyways, as soon as this war is over. My friends will know where to find me though. =)
Had this WWV issue been posted by a forum-newbie, then I am certain that there would not be any positive word for WWV at all, other than some criticism about why I have ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: max at May 28, 2006, 11:51 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
Max, I have not accused Mesiter of "dealings" but simply said that he did not bring up any proof for his statements.
and later
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Max, I still do not see where you are getting it from that I said that Meister would have had "underhand dealings" with the Casino? -Now you are putting something in my mouth that I never said.
Read the quotes already provided here (post #34 in this thread). You said what you said and the implication is pretty clear if you ask me. If you now choose to disown that that's your business but as far as I'm concerned you still owe CM an apology, us too for that matter.
As long as you obey the Rules & Policies you can continue to post here but don't EVER ask for my help again. You've demonstrated that (a) your problems are never ending and (b) you'll happily stab those who do try to help you in the back as soon as it suits you to do so. I was... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 3:23 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Greedygirl, if you (or anyone) can get -proof- that Andrew or anyone else at WWV has indeed informed me before that playing Roulette would -void- all winnings of the bonus, then please do.
I do not have the old dialogues anymore "when everything was fine still", but if it was indeed true what WWV is accusing me of now, I swear, Schankwart is going to deeply apologize to all involved people, then wuss out and disappear shamefully!
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| Posted by: greedygirl at May 28, 2006, 2:34 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
Greedygirl, if you think my dispute with WWV is incorrect then please show me where!
Had I been "warned before" I -certainly- would not have commited suicide by posting about this issue in the forums and involving all the people. -The Casino could have easily proven me to be a liar then.
I'm going to begin by re-stating what I already said...I had a hard drive crash late last year and as a result, lost everything. I do remember clearly the information furnished to me by Andrew and I believed then, as I do today that WWV is not out of line in their stance on this matter.
I have absolutely NO reason to side with WWV on this--GoneGambling has not had any business dealings with WWV since early 2005 and we have not discussed further advertising, since. Additionally, while I can't remember the exact amount of your claim, I do remember it was not exactly a huge dollar alue. It certainly would make little sense for... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BingoT at May 28, 2006, 12:40 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
BingoT, what is wrong with my claim at WWV? Please tell me before jumping in here. Please also tell me what is wrong when saying that someone (Casinomeister) has closed this issue without having any proof that I am guilty? -This just can not be right!
I am seriously going to dump myself if it can ever been proven that I have "lied" with WWV!
I would think this matter would of been cleared up by now.by all parties.
For him to close this I would think stuff gets old and thing have to move on.
After looking at all the stuff you would have to think if any of it's true or not.
This is only my 2 cents on this.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 12:14 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Dominique, it is doubtlessly true that I have been involved in a number of disputes but that matter has been addressed in this thread before. You may blame me for this number but please do read as well where I have been in the wrong before making a judgment.
I do not actually care if Greedygirl is friends with Meister or not but have seen common pictures of them where they both looked quite happy. I only addresses this "issue" again as Greedygirl asked me about it.
As far as the involvement of Greedygirl goes, I have to correct this point as she indeed had indeed talked to Andrew about my matter but then told me that she would not be able to take this any farther as her old contact was gone. I just did not remember that right away as I did not really discuss this matter with her a lot.
BingoT, what is wrong with my claim at WWV? Please tell me before jumping in here. Please also tell me what is wrong when saying that someone (Casinomeister) has closed this issu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dominique at May 28, 2006, 11:41 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
that I would have "problems with all Casinos".
I haven't been involved in any of your problems, although I have read about them for years, but if someone came up to me and said:
"Darnit, I can't remember the name now, but the person who has problems with all the casinos ....."
I would say: "oh, you mean Schankwart". You would just come to mind instantly because of the many situations you seem to find yourself in.
And what is this linking of Greedygirl and Meister supposed to be in aid of? Guilt by association?
I have no idea who is right or wrong in this issue, I have not paid much attention to it, but your background with issues with online casinos makes one wonder.
In all these aried situations, one thing has remained a stable component - Schankwart.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 10:35 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Greedygirl, if you think my dispute with WWV is incorrect then please show me where!
Had I been "warned before" I -certainly- would not have commited suicide by posting about this issue in the forums and involving all the people. -The Casino could have easily proven me to be a liar then.
If you do not have the "proof" anymore then WWV has to have it, especially when considering all the methods they have supposedly contacted me with (phone, email, software).
I have contacted you earlier this year again as an affiliate was informed by "Andrew" that you had informed him that "you would know me personally" and that I would have "problems with all Casinos".
This is not a statement of mine but I was supplied with it. I contacted you again as I thought that it was pretty uncool that you apparently informed a Casino that I am having a dispute with about private opinions and asked whether this was true or not.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 10:31 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Max, I still do not see where you are getting it from that I said that Meister would have had "underhand dealings" with the Casino? -Now you are putting something in my mouth that I never said.
What I criticize is that Meister accused me of something without having any proof up hand. This just can never be right Max, can it?
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| Posted by: BingoT at May 28, 2006, 10:08 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
It's sounds to me Schankwart is an attention grabber and Schankwart has all of you at your knees for your guided attention at this time. and your giving him or her what they want.
And I still think to apologize to the Mesiter is in order. Because he would help anyone he can.You could not ask for a better person.
Good Day & Peace
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| Posted by: greedygirl at May 28, 2006, 9:14 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
Max, What evidence is it you are looking for?
Before I contacted these two people however, Bryans friend Greedygirl worlooked into this matter but said that she could not do anything about it anymore "as her old contact-person at WWV was gone".
It appears Schank has a bit of "selective memory," so I'd just like to clarify, er, set the record straight.
Back in July of 2005, I received a PM here at WOL by someone using the user name, "AdamthePrince." It was none other than Schank. He asked me for help on this WWV issue. This was my reply:
Hey (first name edited at Schank's DEMAND)--
I can try to help you out, but I can't make any promises on it, as I'm not certain my contacts are still there.
Schank knows FULL well that I discussed this matter with Andrew. I've seen exactly the same information as Bryan and was told exactly the same story. From what I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: max at May 28, 2006, 7:54 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
Its like CM is un touchable when he does wrong.
Rubbish! Schank implied, ia the following, that CM had underhanded dealings with the casino:
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By now I am aware of three disputes with non-paid players of WWV, that "Meister" all ruled in this Casinos favor. I am 100% certain that all three of these decisions were completely incorrect and supported the Casinos rogue acting.
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Bailey is not interested in finding out the truth as he would have knocked his own head doing so.
AFAIC, those implications are the issue and are way out of line. Schank is happy to plead for help when he needs it, and just as happy to rake the person who tried to help through the muck when he doesn't get what he wants. That's crappy behaviour and I won't have him using WOL to do it.
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| Posted by: caruso at May 28, 2006, 6:55 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Did Shanky say Bailey had hand-in-glove dealings with the casino? If he did, that much would be unsubstantiated, but I'd need to look back at all the posts to erify this as I don't recall off hand.
EDIT: looked back. There's this:
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By now I am aware of three disputes with non-paid players of WWV, that "Meister" all ruled in this Casinos favor. I am 100% certain that all three of these decisions were completely incorrect and supported the Casinos rogue acting. Hohoho, yummy yummy
This isn't exactly slanderous, at worst it's pretty cheeky, and conjecture on the basis that he cannot know 100% about the other decisions. By rejecting the three cases, whether rightly or wrongly, the actions of the casinos have been supported. The only question is whether or not the actions are "rogue".
BTW, I'm aware of this and the Gamblinboi / Ohdreampop case, but can't remember a third one?
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 6:01 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Max, I have not accused Mesiter of "dealings" but simply said that he did not bring up any proof for his statements.
It is hard for me to comment on this regard without referring to the actual Casino issue. I have not attacked Bailey but simply critisized him for having closed an issue based on a Casinos words.
Is that not allowed?
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| Posted by: max at May 28, 2006, 5:35 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
... I am denying however that there has been any proof that WWV indeed sent me these warnings.
You, and Caruso it seems, are not listening. I am saying NOTHING about your WWV issues, nor will I. I AM saying that you have, in essense, accused CM of underhanded dealings with WWV and for that I believe you owe him an apology, over and above whatever may or may not happen regarding your resolution of the WWV issue(s).
Don't keep telling me about this or that WWV related business, as far as my particular involvement with this discussion goes it is beside the point. Of course I wish you luck with it and am happy enough to let you raise the issue(s) here at WOL, but I am not directly involved with it nor do I intend to be.
My concern is with the use, and in this case the abuse, of these message boards. You have tried to use this thread to attack and slander CM and for that I expect you to apologize, to him at the ery least.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at May 28, 2006, 5:03 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Shanky IS entitled to be rather miffed at getting his complaint rejected out of hand on the basis of casino hearsay. They said:
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Any wagers on CRAPS or ROULETTE using bonus money are null and oid and if bonus money is used to play these games the bonus funds will be removed from the account as well as all results of wagers made on these games using bonus money
Unfortunately, this is no more than a claim on their part. If they can prove this was communicated to the player, show him the door right now. But they have not proved this - all they've done is claimed it, and this has been taken as reason to reject the complaint. This in itself, and looking at nothing else, is unfair. The casino should NOT be held to looser standards than those to which the player is held.
We have to prove our claims; why does the casino not?
This is a double standard.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 4:43 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Max, I am not denying that I have asked you for help, maybe I have explained that incorrectly. -I am denying however that there has been any proof that WWV indeed sent me these warnings.
If Casinomeister does have any of these "chats", "phonecalls", etc. then I would like to see (or hear) them and will personally apologize to him, you and everybody else a trillion times! I need to address the WWV issue thereby as it is what I was referring to in my previous statements. I have never denied that you have attempted to help me in the past and already told you many times that I have appreciated these efforts. Sorry if that came across differently.
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| Posted by: max at May 28, 2006, 4:24 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
All I am kindly asking for is to please collect proof before making any evil statements about me (or a Casino).
??? This is starting to make less and less sense to me. I've told you the "proof" I have, namely the letters you've sent to us over the years begging us to help you out with this or that casino that has done the nasty to you, not to mention what I've seen from you on other boards over the years.
As to "evil statements about ... a casino" I can only assume you're trying to misdirect this discussion and change the subject. Again, I've made no statements about any casino here, good bad or otherwise. Like I've said, "more reading and less talking" is my sincere advice to you.
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... you can not tell me that it is right to blame any person for something that has not been proven?
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 4:00 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
In short - The player lost a grand, therefore earning and got a 50% cashback, won with the cashback bonus on games that don't count towards playthrough, therefore did'nt meet the terms to collect the cashback bonus, then cashed in ahead and was happy to forfeit the cashback bonus amount, as stipulated.
He'll have that planned as an option before depositing 1k.
The casino contests they told him before that the terms are different than what they actually say. If proven, they should not pay.
The casino sent Bryan some chats as proof. Schwanki said those chats came after the fact.
Heheh.
Yup, well summarized that is.
WWV talked to me about the bonuses also before I played again, but only told me that an early withdrawal would result in a forfeiting of the bonus. As soon as WWV brings up proof that I was told that my winnings would be oid as well, you may all set me in the pillory and I will even p... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: max at May 28, 2006, 3:19 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
How about telling me why you believe that I have been in the wrong with WWV?
Speaking of _reading_ what's been written you might want to have another look at my posts because I haven't said a single word about your claims re: WWV. What I've been talking about all along here is your habitual pissing and moaning and your readiness to slander CM, for example.
So let me be perfectly clear: you've insinuated that CM ruled as he did for some underhanded or duplicitous reason. I'm saying that unless you provide proof of that accusation you are both abusing your rights on our boards AND you are in iolation of our Rules & Policies. FWIW, I fully expect that before this is over you'll find some reason to cast some of your dirt at us too. Be my guest but as Caruso has warned you, you won't like the repercussions ery much.
You're not seeing the writing on the wall Schank: if you piss off the people that are helping you, dire... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 28, 2006, 3:18 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
In short - The player lost a grand, therefore earning and got a 50% cashback, won with the cashback bonus on games that don't count towards playthrough, therefore did'nt meet the terms to collect the cashback bonus, then cashed in ahead and was happy to forfeit the cashback bonus amount, as stipulated.
He'll have that planned as an option before depositing 1k.
The casino contests they told him before that the terms are different than what they actually say. If proven, they should not pay.
The casino sent Bryan some chats as proof. Schwanki said those chats came after the fact.
Heheh.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 28, 2006, 12:49 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Thats your opinion, Max.
As long as I can add proof to my accusations I think there is nothing wrong about them.
If you think that my posts are inaccurate then I recommend you to read them and collect facts, instead of "believing".
How about telling me why you believe that I have been in the wrong with WWV?
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| Posted by: max at May 27, 2006, 9:22 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
I do not want to start bashing Casinomeister now ... But imagine any court doing what he does....
You gotta be kidding!! "any court"?!? I think it's a good time for a reality check here. Nothing about what CM does has anything to do with legal proceedings of any kind. For the most part he's doing what he does because he believes in it and it's a service that contributes to the reputation of his site. If you ask me you should be thankful for it, not complaining about it. And certainly not making unsubstantiated accusations about his integrity.
Let's be honest here Schank, you do have a long history of "problems" with casinos. I know you've directly asked us to intervene on your behalf a few times. No offense fella but one does get a little tired of hearing the same person crying "help me help me" over and over again. Whatever assistance you've received from CM you should be grateful for and leave it... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 27, 2006, 6:08 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
So as it stands, it is the players word against the casino regarding whether the player was informed no play whatsoever on craps & roulette.
Can the casino can show the chats Casinomeister was sent were from before the player gambled on the cashback promo.
Because the player played within the posted rules, which have now been ammended to reflect their proper position.
I hope I have it right now.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at May 27, 2006, 3:06 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Max, What evidence is it you are looking for?
-I can provide the screenshots that show the rules I stated.
-WWV can provide nothing but empty blames and accusations.
As far as the "other" WWV case goes, I know the ictims quite well and am positive that they have not done any of what they were accused of by Bryan and WWV.
To roll this matter up again would be too much for me though.
However, one of these WWV ictims is a Senior member in this forum and posted in this thread already. Go figure.
Max, if you find that there is something wrong with my complaints then please let me know what it is. Tell me where I have been wrong and I will have both of my ears wide open for your words.
If you took yourself the time to read my postings from the last few years, I am sure you would think differently. -Would not that be a fun task?
Had the negative posts of mine been untrue or unreal, then I could understand your criticism.
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| Posted by: caruso at May 27, 2006, 1:35 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
It's interesting that both casino and player claim that the terms are clear, whilst both interpret them differently!
The disputed term:
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craps and roulette wagers are not includeded
Casino says: this means you cannot play craps and roulette.
Player says: this means craps and roulette wagers simply do not count (as opposed to being excluded).
Whatever casino and player say to the contrary, this term is NOT clear. It could mean either. If we errantly assume the continuation "...in the bonus wagering requirements", or the casino believes this clearly indicates that craps and roulette are disallowed, both are WRONG. This term is ague.
Shanky, you remind me of a younger ersion of me - sorry if that sounds sanctimonious. I do not support your barring at the other forum because this issue is INCONCLUSIVE. However, if you don't watch yourself you'll might find it duplicated at WOL. Speaking from experience - ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 27, 2006, 12:23 pm | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
Take out the bracket -
If a Player receives a bonus greater than 40% they must wager the deposit plus associated bonus amount THIRTY (30) times to qualify for the bonus."
The bracketed words -
(craps and roulette wagers are not included)
Therefore, roulette and craps play are not included in the 30x wagering requirement. Bonus requirement must be met with other games, not the aforementioned.
This is a standard "pay the man".
Just read the whole thread at the Meister's expecting to fin stuff to back up what I read above.
But -
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[color=#0000ff]We have reviewed the issue and the redemption was correctly declined because not only did you not meet the wagering requirements you used the bonus money to play ROULETTE. It is 100% clear in our rules that bonus money can not be used to play CRAPS or ROULETTE. [/color]
[color=#0000ff][/color]
[color=#0000ff]Any wagers on... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: max at May 27, 2006, 11:51 am | | Topic: WorldWideVegas – still a stiff shop, and now making personal threats Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Schankwart
... I am 100% certain that all three of these decisions were completely incorrect and supported the Casinos rogue acting. ...
Schankies hunt for fairness will continue.
Great, then how about you start your "hunt for fairness" by proving, or at least providing substantial evidence, for accusations like the one you just made.
CasinoMeister has worked long and hard to build one of the best sites in the industry and actively help players when and where he can. You on the other hand have nothing but complaints about how you get royally shafted by ... well, pretty much everyone. Funny that.
Back it up or keep it to yourself Schank.
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