| Posted by: bonuslover at July 17, 2006, 6:24 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I have no doubt it's nothing to do with transaction costs, and all to do with money laundering or something closely related. A 1X deposit playthrough doesn't guarantee offsetting transaction costs, unless you're playing the worst slots. It would act as a big deterrent to money launderers.
1, transaction costs are usually 1 -2.5%, so by applying the WR 1X it DOES guarantee the recovery of such cost ON AVERAGE as any usual game has a house edge of 2-3% (including BJ as not everybody plays by the book.) There is also this possibility that when a player gets excited he would continue to gamble even more.
2, regarding money launderers, you have to ask where do they come from and where does the money they are trying to launder come from. And apparently you have never laundered anything (excluding your clothes maybe) so you might want to review what I have already written a few posts above regarding money laudery in an online casino.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 17, 2006, 2:38 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by seal_1
I don't see a problem with the one time playthrough either esp. if transaction costs are the reason for it.
I have no doubt it's nothing to do with transaction costs, and all to do with money laundering or something closely related. A 1X deposit playthrough doesn't guarantee offsetting transaction costs, unless you're playing the worst slots. It would act as a big deterrent to money launderers.
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| Posted by: bonuses at July 16, 2006, 7:20 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
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I know some of you guys dont see the problem
Yeah I don't see what the problem is. Just go play somewhere else if it is that big a deal to you. If a casino has a rule I don't like, I let them know and don't play there. But I don't go around telling people they are a dirty casino because of it.
Personally I would just make smaller deposits if I like the casino but didn't necesarily want to play a lot. Deposits are free.
From iNetBet's response they seem like a good outfit. Very reasonable. (their bonuses are now worhtless, but if you just like to play they seem like a decent place)
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 16, 2006, 4:51 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
I know some of you guys dont see the problem, when its not your money. If i walk in egas . Give them 400 in cash, they give me 400 in chips, drink 4 or 5 drinks, cash out 50 bucks and leave. They dont complain about a playtru or do they try and hold up my money.
Like i said. I have done this type of play many times at inetbet casino. Just out the blue they pull the rule out, which if you read it seems to apply to fraudlent players.
But its all good. I will not be given them no action no time soon.
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| Posted by: joeyl at July 16, 2006, 11:03 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
My iew as a player about this rule.
The casino has the house edge, the player has the choice to try and beat it. It should be totally up to the customer if they only want to place 1 bet of 10% of their deposit, win and cashout. Soon it will be a 2x playthrough and so on.
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| Posted by: seal_1 at July 16, 2006, 9:16 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Swampwitch
For once and for all...it is ery obvious that Emily and iNetBet do NOT think of Damian as a "fraudulant player.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that iNetBet is an honest and aboveboard RTG casino. Period.
Damian...You are now required to play in the same way that everyone else is. It is a testament to your good standing that you were allowed to play without having to abide by the "one time playthrough" as long as you have. The fact that that you now must abide by the "one time playthrough" like everyone else simply means that they are enforcing the rules. The fact that you were reimbursed should tell you that you are a alued customer.
With all the weird **** going on with some online casinos these days, I really don't see a one time playthrough as a harsh condition.
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| Posted by: Swampwitch at July 15, 2006, 11:57 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
For once and for all...it is ery obvious that Emily and iNetBet do NOT think of Damian as a "fraudulant player.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that iNetBet is an honest and aboveboard RTG casino. Period.
Damian...You are now required to play in the same way that everyone else is. It is a testament to your good standing that you were allowed to play without having to abide by the "one time playthrough" as long as you have. The fact that that you now must abide by the "one time playthrough" like everyone else simply means that they are enforcing the rules. The fact that you were reimbursed should tell you that you are a alued customer.
With all the weird **** going on with some online casinos these days, I really don't see a one time playthrough as a harsh condition.
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 15, 2006, 11:35 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Some of you missing the point. I been playing the same way for years on and off.
This not the first time i cash out without playing thru my depoist. My last depoist if you follow above post. I did the same thing. I dont play at casino with these rules. Inetbet decided to do this to me just recent.
Also play thru the depoist is in section that talks about fraudlent players. Which is not a good place to stick it. They say this rule been for a year. But on the terms there no updates since 2004 and I have played this way on and off at inetbet for years.
Inetbet is one the casinos, i like due to the fast cashout and ok table limits, but now there in the same class as breakaway and scifi.(which i stop paying at both cause of the play thru the deposit rule)
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| Posted by: joeyl at July 15, 2006, 9:38 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Emily iNetBet
Whilst there are alid reasons for such a term to be included in our terms, it is not in place to try and 'trick' or 'mislead' our regular players.
Unfortunately with certain people if every rule is not laid out in full, we by its omission, leave ourselves open to unscrupulous individuals who have an ulterior motive for depositing large amounts and not making any play.
Kind regards
Emily Hanson
Manager iNetBet
These are operational rules, enforced for reasons that are not obviously obvious.
It should'nt need talking about, it is a rule and that's that and Damian is the customer who should stick to the casaino rules, even if he does'nt like them.
The reason players question operational rules is because of bonus abuse rules mainly, ie retroactive rule changes backed up by the cover-all term applied in favour of the house, ie the stealing of players cash in general.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at July 14, 2006, 11:43 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Bethug, Emily
To be fair I think calling Inetbet 'playing dirty pool' is a little bit uncalled for. People can win there and they get paid fast (ask Caruso about that) and as such this is a reputable group. However I think the casino has no need to claim they are dealing with fraudsters right from the beginning and they are fighting money laundery- this is silly. If they have such high intelligence they should already be in Scotland Yards or something.
The casino could simply say transaction costs are high and they want a fair chance of recovering it and this reason alone will do the job. (I think other 'reputable' RTGs like Sci fi has this rule also.)
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| Posted by: seal_1 at July 14, 2006, 1:58 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I have on occasions, at other casinos, deposited much more, played for much less time, and won much more.
Time spent playing definitely isn't an issue.
I just never heard of that before.I know it's not about time spent playing.....The 3 min. part just kinda surprised me.LOL Mind you i don't go up that much that fast usually....
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 14, 2006, 1:54 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Things I notice playing online
Some casinos will add a bonus when you up
Some casinos will take the withdrawal button away
Some casinos inforce bull crap rules when they want too.
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 14, 2006, 1:50 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
caruso. Many times in the pass I drop 1000 bucks withdrew 200 , 60 different amounts with out playing it thru.
I didnt explain ery well. I depoist 150 cash out 200 something. I dont want to even check right now. I am playing at a casino right now and I am up 700 bucks. Dont want to get off track again.
So I made a profit of 50 bucks, I recall early this year deposting 1000 bucks cashing out little at a time. I try and stay away from casinos that have u have to play thru the balance rule, reason I stop playing at breakaway and sci fi.
Seal1 please keep your sucks hate at sucks.
7/8/2006 2:07:00 AM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($225.00)
7/7/2006 7:35:49 PM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($225.00)
7/7/2006 7:28:06 PM NETeller Deposit Approved! $150.00
7/7/2006 7:28:04 PM NETeller Deposit Requested $150.00
So it was more than 50 bucks looking at it now
Like 7 mins i cash out and got paid.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 1:43 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by seal_1
Geezzzz, you made a deposit.....and 3 min. later cashed right back out with an added $77.00
I have on occasions, at other casinos, deposited much more, played for much less time, and won much more.
Time spent playing definitely isn't an issue.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
In 3 min I won 77 bucks on a 400 depoist. I cash out...Just a week a go I depoist 150 and cash out i 200 something. In and out. They didnt pull this rule out. Matter of fact I know i did this a few times with them.
Regarding the $150 deposit, you must've at least wagered it through once to achieve $200 winnings, playing BJ as I know you do (though I suppose you could've made a $134 bet and pulled a blackjack). Cashing out the $77 on the $400 deposit, and not wagering the deposit fully, is what seems to have infringed the "wager at least once" rule.
I'd imagine that on all those previous occasions you were paid, you did as you did on the $150 deposit occasion, and wagered the deposit at least once through. iNetbet certainly wouldn't sweat $77 winnings and pull out a previously unapplied rule.
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| Posted by: seal_1 at July 14, 2006, 12:59 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
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In 3 min I won 77 bucks on a 400 depoist. I cash out.
Geezzzz, you made a deposit.....and 3 min. later cashed right back out with an added $77.00?.......I think it WAS good of iNetBet to give it back as a generous gesture.You played for a whole 3 min.? Wow....
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 14, 2006, 12:33 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso, They pull out a rule out on me. they never pulled out before
In 3 min I won 77 bucks on a 400 depoist. I cash out. I dont keep money in my neteller long, so i went to my neteller account and notice it was not there. So I told my self i will wait a few. Reading my email notice I got a email from them.
Which i post above at that time, i sent them a email. Asking when did this rule come about. Just a week a go I depoist 150 and cash out i 200 something. In and out. They didnt pull this rule out. Matter of fact I know i did this a few times with them.
So piss off cause they telling me I have to play my balance thru, which i never had to do before. I lost it. Unlike emily post , i complain before I lost the money. I would have not lost the depost and the win, if they would have gave me my money in the first place.
Thanks for my money back, but I want be playing there to often.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 11:47 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
The whys and wherefores will never be answered here, because as a non-money launderer I don't know, and if I were, I wouldn't tell you.
In the long run, yes, it does guarantee the casino a small piece of the deposit, based on even just a 1X wager through, but it's not an unreasonable requirement based on the stated reasons.
Let's bear in mind that iNetbet has refunded Damian's loss in its entirity. This is an extraordinariliy generous gesture.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at July 14, 2006, 10:37 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Noone here is "playing FBI"; if you deposit money through a fraudulent credit card or whatever other means, and withdraw it to Neteller or ia cheque, you're laundering dirty money into clean. That, I've no doubt, is what iNetbet is trying to circumvent by this generic requirement.
Think for a minute, if you have a fradulent credit card, then I can fairly assume its not under your name and you are gonna have tonnes of problems with RTGs faxbacks and documents, not to mention you also have to set up a fake account with NETeller using the name on the fraudulent card.
1, if I were laundering money, I wouldn't pick an RTG
2, if I were laundering money with a fradulent card I could have also deposited the money to a NETeller account and use that funds to play and the casino would have no means of erifying exactly where that money originates from.
3, if I were playing with money that's not mine, I wouldn't care about that 1x WR
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 10:23 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
It doesn't prevent it, but I'm guessing it's a strong deterrent, since I would think most money launderers don't know about the EV of XXX amount of play and would be unwilling to attempt their activities at a casino with this stipulation. I'm only guessing, though.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 9:22 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Noone here is "playing FBI"; if you deposit money through a fraudulent credit card or whatever other means, and withdraw it to Neteller or ia cheque, you're laundering dirty money into clean. That, I've no doubt, is what iNetbet is trying to circumvent by this generic requirement.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at July 14, 2006, 7:08 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
what ulterior motive are we talking about here?
if you run a poker room, yeah maybe, people transferrring money around
but you are running a casino
when people deposit their money is in your hands and your hands only
how exactly could such person launder his money in his own account??
its people like yourselves who want to play FBI that make playing online such a pain the ass
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| Posted by: caruso at July 14, 2006, 2:48 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Emily iNetBet
Unfortunately with certain people if every rule is not laid out in full, we by its omission, leave ourselves open to unscrupulous individuals who have an ulterior motive for depositing large amounts and not making any play.
So it is anti money laundering? It certainly sounds that way. I imagine a wagering requirement would deter money launderers.
I would suggst this rule only be adhered to for unknown players. Known players like Damian are clearly not money-luandering, and some players probably deposit a certain amount, hit a quick run of cards and cash out 10% / 20% winnings without wagering their full deposit, which is evidently what Damian did. This "cash out when you're ahead X%" play strategy is still advantageous to the casino and shouldn't be discouraged.
Quote: Originally Posted by Damian
I been with you guys over 3 years, when did my account become fraudulent?
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 14, 2006, 2:37 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Emily iNetBet
I just over a week ago played the same way and cash out with out a withdrawal problem. Matter fact i recall doing the same in the last 12 months in different times.
I complained first, then lost all my money. Also its not clearly stated.
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iNetBet will not report wagering information on behalf of any member.
iNetBet reserves the right to withhold play and/or payment from any party that iNetBet deems as fraudulent. iNetBet may assess service charges to any account for services rendered to any fraudulent account. iNetBet requires any deposit to be turned over at least once prior to withdrawal.
I been with you guys over 3 years, when did my account become fraudulent?
The a rule. It should be place someplace else. In a separate paragraph. Its lump all in the same paragraph as the fraudulent section of the paragraph. Since I didnt do nothing fraudulent I didnt think the rule was for me
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| Posted by: Emily iNetBet at July 14, 2006, 12:12 am | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Bethug
I think you know we are not playing ‘tricks’ or indeed ‘playing dirty’.
We have had this particular rule in place for some time now and it is quite clearly displayed.
Whilst there are alid reasons for such a term to be included in our terms, it is not in place to try and 'trick' or 'mislead' our regular players.
Unfortunately with certain people if every rule is not laid out in full, we by its omission, leave ourselves open to unscrupulous individuals who have an ulterior motive for depositing large amounts and not making any play.
Once again I stress this does not apply to players as yourself or indeed to any of our regular players.
Our accounts were correct in denying your withdrawal, however they only requested you make a small amount of extra turnover, you decided to play way and above the required amount and unfortunately lost.
This does not in my honest opinion warrant you making the above assessment.
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| Posted by: seal_1 at July 13, 2006, 5:44 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Well to date, i've never had a problem cashing out at iNetBet. I never paid attention to that part of the T's & C's but i do know i play/wager my deposit more than once though.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at July 13, 2006, 4:00 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I don't know why they would particularly stipulate this, unless it's to counter money-laundering or something.
To prevent people doing hit and run and to make sure their transaction costs are (reasonably) covered.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 13, 2006, 3:49 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
I don't think any focus is on the "fraudulent" part of that paragraph, but the bit which says:
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iNetBet requires any deposit to be turned over at least once prior to withdrawal.
I don't know why they would particularly stipulate this, unless it's to counter money-laundering or something.
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 13, 2006, 3:08 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
Dear Damien,
This rule has been in place for some time now. I do n ot know exactkly when it was pet in place but it has been like this for quite some time. It is not a recent amendment.
It can be found in our rules and regulations: http://www.inetbet.com/aboutus/rulesandregulations.asp
It is covered in the first paragraph of point seven 7.
Kind Regards
iNetBet Support
I played the same way last week and many times before. Now my account is flag as a fraudluent account. Bull crap
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| Posted by: Bethug at July 13, 2006, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Inetbet is playing dirty pool? Forum: Winner Online |
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