| Posted by: JufoFIN at June 18, 2008, 7:52 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online | | Quote: Originally Posted by magnek They knew what they did and they knew they were wrong. Shame on Bryan and Spearmaster for trying to sweep this under the rug. So you are certain that it was not a software glitch but intentional? I did believe the software glitch explanation because the rigging seemed too blatant for anyone to do it on purpose. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: magnek at May 15, 2008, 8:27 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online | | I think enough time has passed for me to safely tell you guys that I negotiated a mid 5 figure settlement from Odds on concerning this whole fiasco. They knew what they did and they knew they were wrong. Shame on Bryan and Spearmaster for trying to sweep this under the rug. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: caruso at May 15, 2008, 8:00 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online | | More than nostalgia when this casino is still up and running - someone even posted spam for it here a week or so ago. They are at least still listed as "rogue" at Casinomeister, notwithstanding Bailey and Loh's less than stellar response to the issue. That said, English Harbour is still fully promoted by almost all affiliates. Wotcha gonna do? With crooks supporting crooks there is little hope for the under-informed player. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: joeyl at December 16, 2006, 8:03 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
This one is not over.
If you are going to cheat X 9% house edge on an even bet, you will think of how to get away with it if caught. What excuse is there aside errorsome code?
An expert programmer would know how to make something work as wanted, while looking terribly badly coded.
Spearmaster would now know it is possible, as we all do.
This is as silly an excuse as it gets. The swinger for me is no logs have been produced, to back up Spearmaster's opinion.
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| Posted by: magnek at October 19, 2006, 5:21 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BingoT
I would talk to the one's that were involved and get the permission you need to clear this once and for all.So this will show everyone what proof they need.
The honus is not on me to produce the logs. They were already caught using a cheating game. They can produce the logs much easier than I can. If they were interested in defending themselves they would have tried. Spear gave them an out and they took it and quietly washed their hands of the whole ordeal.
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| Posted by: BingoT at October 18, 2006, 1:54 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek
I explained why I was not publicly producing the game logs. I did not have permission from those involved .
I would talk to the one's that were involved and get the permission you need to clear this once and for all.So this will show everyone what proof they need.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 18, 2006, 1:48 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek
I explained why I was not publicly producing the game logs. I did not have permission from those involved and I did not feel it would be in my best interest. Simple as that. There was ample public pressure for EH to produce the game logs themselves. They chose not to do so.
The above is what annoyed me slightly. I expect you understand me, as clearly as I understand you also.
# Bottom bottom line - if EH have conclusive proof ia logs the game was not gaffed for longer than the timespan covered at Bryan's, then there is no harm in producing such evidence.
In fact, quite the opposite.
The lack of such, speaks olumes.
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| Posted by: magnek at October 18, 2006, 10:48 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
joeyl, proof was already shown. Excuses were already made. My evidence would not change that.
I explained why I was not publicly producing the game logs. I did not have permission from those involved and I did not feel it would be in my best interest. Simple as that. There was ample public pressure for EH to produce the game logs themselves. They chose not to do so.
Either way, I did not attack Bryan. I simply stated my opinion that he was showing no backbone. Others may agree or disagree. Life goes on.
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| Posted by: Bethug at October 18, 2006, 10:34 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Dont matter if you have proof , now days, some nut will come on forum and twisted around. Also long as some webmasters still promote rigged places, people will get hurt.
Casino bar was proven rigged and people still played there for two years after.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 18, 2006, 10:19 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Fair point Bingot.
You are reading the criticism & opinion of long time posters who have noted a change from the old days to the present and do not like it that much.
Magnek was barred for being too annoying. He said Bryan has no backbone which in my opinion is not a solid criticism. Bryan has called out folk who run casinos badly. Any one of them could clandestinely attack Bryan for doing so ia arious methods.
Magnek himself annoyed me also. He said he has playing records spanning a long while which he has not produced for arying reasons. Evidence that could possibly prove EH have been cheating on the double up feature a lot longer than a few weeks after an update. This info, could completely change Spearmaster's opinion - maybe not, I do not know.
# I would expect Magnek to not bar me from his forum, if he had one, for stating my opinion. I expect the same of Bryan, rightly or wrongly.
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| Posted by: magnek at October 18, 2006, 5:19 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Spear and Bryan both looked like fools over that English Harbour fiasco. They were pissed that members of Casinomeister actually oted to not accept Spearmaster's unrealistic conclusion. It was his intention to take the heat for the casino and it worked. He spoke for them so they wouldn't have to. Bryan only wants sheep at his forum who will follow him blindly without disagreeing or speaking their minds. Pretty sad really.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 17, 2006, 3:24 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Actually if I recall, Spear did not finish his report because I think maybe 5 posters out of the 7000 or so members were rather negative about the whole situation and said so.
I for one, would like to see the report.
imo -
# It is not usual for Spear to not post his full opinion.
# It is not usual for Spear to not do what he promised.
I personally preferred it when Spear was not a moderator of the Meister's. You never had to agree with what Spear said before, he will say that is still the case.
# You could always pick Spear's brains, make requests, ask pointed questions, say it just as you see it. I am afraid that is not the case as I perceive it today, which does'nt help when one is urged to take his word on any given issue, past or present.
Which is a pity, because it does'nt help the player much atall.
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| Posted by: magnek at September 27, 2006, 7:45 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
I think the thread was locked because both Bryan and Spearmaster did not get the support from the members and were basically embarrased into locking the thread. It was obvious to most all that English Harbour was indeed cheating. They have been cheating on the double up for years, this was just the first time they were caught with statistics.
I have lost all respect for Spearmaster for trying to shield English Harbour from having to answer to the allegations. I lost all respect for Bryan for locking that ery important thread. They both acted childish and without responsiblility to the players. They both used to be truly good guys, but the industry has turned them both sour.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at September 26, 2006, 9:43 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
It’s disheartening and how frustrating! I agree fully.
That English Harbour is still in business.
That EH has not yet pushed its bonus feature ideo game, as highly anticipated by the market. (This joint must be ery inefficient)
That Bryan clamping down the thread over his site. I had wanted to deduct his reputation points by at least 15 just for that blatant act.
Anyone with conscience, or truly player supportive, should understand where the real disheartening & frustration are lying.
The issue had not been solved. The fire of anger had not been quenched. The oice of justice is still shouting.
Thank you WOL for letting this live.
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| Posted by: caruso at September 25, 2006, 10:13 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dominique
All these years I write about how important it is for players and webmasters to show a united front, and still I see threads like this. It's disheartening. How frustrating, one can work for years to make things better and then comes to read threads like this!
You've got me here. This thread is about English Harbour dealing cheating ideo poker. The matter of Bailey locking that thread is incidental to the subject, and neither is it our fault. Why is this thread "disheartening", in any way other than cheating casinos are "disheartening"?
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| Posted by: dominique at September 25, 2006, 9:24 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
hush hush money was paid people. If you not in the cliq, you will never get real help over there
Really, Bethug, running the Union you should know better than that.
In five years and while having one of the largest blacklists and taking on casinos I used to promote, never once has anyone offered me money to take them off the list, not even when it really hurt them. People have withheld my earnings until I take them off the list (needless to say they are blacklisted permanently), but no one has ever attempted a bribe.
They call and try to talk me back to promoting them, but never a bribe offered in all those years.
I am quite sure the same is true for Bryan.
Bashing webmasters doesn't solve problems, it aggravates them.
All these years I write about how important it is for players and webmasters to show a united front, and still I see threads like this.
It's disheartening.
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| Posted by: caruso at September 25, 2006, 6:44 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
So what was his explaination for locking that thread?
"Enough has been said about this issue"
That was all.
The Almighty Has Spoken.
2006, cheating software, and "enough has been said". Gob-smacking. Enough can NEVER be said about such a matter, and noone should EVER be allowed to forget.
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| Posted by: caruso at September 24, 2006, 12:34 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Why does he do that?
I said back then, and it remains true: Casinos cannot be found to cheat.
Back in the old days, with little tin pot organisations like Casino Bar, maybe. This is the second decade of online casinos, there is a LOT of sucker money out there and a LOT of sweaty affiliate fingers scrabbling for a piece of the pie. Cheating software is not an option. Cheating software means scared gamblers pulling out their business, and that cannot be allowed to happen. ANYTHING is better than letting word that a quasi-reputable casino group is cheating out into the public domain, because if English Harbour can cheat, then so can Microgaming, Playtech and RTG. It's all about trust. Since we know nothing about the inner workings of casino software, we approximately accept that the deal is as fair as needs be. Kill that trust, and it's bye bye to an awful lot of affy bucks. That can't be allowed to happen.
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| Posted by: Bethug at September 23, 2006, 7:11 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
hush hush money was paid people. If you not in the cliq, you will never get real help over there
[Max says: If you have any proof of these ridiculous statements Bethug please feel free to provide it. I think it only fair to alert our readers to the fact that this is your _opinion_, almost certainly unfounded and fabricated, and it says a lot more about you and your posting style than it does about what goes on over at CM.]
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| Posted by: joeyl at September 23, 2006, 6:59 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
I consider forum threads as conversations. I post in conversational style. I guess I annoy the one-line posters who play smartass or highbrow.
I find the posters that post their Own record and demand respect based upon it quite amusing. That is exactly what happened with this EH thing.
Very often while I am conversing online, the other side tell me they have had enough of talking about it, hitch up their frock, then rudely turn and walk away.
That is how I iew thread lockings. Rude. The removal of on-topic threads posted by the public, is discurteous.
imo.
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| Posted by: caruso at September 23, 2006, 5:32 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
I've seen English Harbour ads on Hotmail.
English Harbour ran a ideo poker game with a fix in it until they were caught, after which they pulled the fix out and tried to blame it on a "bonus feature" they were introducing . Ted Loh was going to offer a detailed explanation about how it happened. He never did. At Casinomeister, Bryan Bailey locked the relevant thread, effectively consigning Thelawnet's commendable findings (the poster who discovered the fix) to oblivion. Prior to the above, Bailey and Loh sat down to a civilised lunch together with English Harbour management at one of the gambling conventions.
English Harbour are proven cheats. If they cheated before, they will cheat again. Play at proven cheating software at your own risk.
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| Posted by: theguru at August 29, 2006, 7:12 am | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
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| Posted by: caruso at August 12, 2006, 2:46 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29
Well where is the new weighted double up????
I now believe 100% that they fully intended to cheat VP players full stop.
Well, we pretty much knew that anyway.
It shows the kind of contempt that players are held in generally. It'd have given some credibility to the excuse if they HAD hotched together a bonus feature like the one their unofficial spokesman told us about. They didn't bother, because the fact is they don't give a rat's ass about their credibility one way or the other. They've still got affiliates, and they're still making money. All the rest is window dressing.
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| Posted by: nafanny29 at August 12, 2006, 2:26 pm | | Topic: English Harbour dealing a cheating video poker game Forum: Winner Online |
Well where is the new weighted double up????
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Exactly!!
It was an excuse, the only excuse they could come up with with their pants round their knees!!
I now believe 100% that they fully intended to cheat VP players full stop.
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