| Posted by: caruso at October 15, 2007, 4:24 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quite true, but if any of those trillion affs choose to post their double standards at WOL, they'll be fair game.
We can only keep our eye on our own small part of the scene.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 14, 2007, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Atleast KK has the wherewithall to try to back up his own points of iew, however outlandish. The other trillion affs out there minus a couple like the CPA, don't even try to hold their corner.
# OK, GM never asked a question to start the thread with, and KK figures he was innocently answering a question asked, only to get jumped on. Of course, labelling folk "abusers" starts the thing going, but there you go.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 14, 2007, 1:59 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
That is your personal interpretation and not a written law. As you know, I have a different definition of Bonus Abuse.
So your definition of "abuse" is what? You reckon that players who whack out huge great big bets, risking every penny of their deposits, are "abusive", whereas players who play the absolute minimum, cutting their risk to the absolute minimum, trying to extract the maximum possible out of the bonus with the least possible risk to their own funds, aren't actually abusing anything and are bona fide...players? Is that your story? People who drop their deposits in two seconds flat, risking everything (their deposit) in their own attempt to extract maximum alue, are "abusive", where the one dollar players playing in a style intended - and explained by you - to extract maximum alue and with absolute minimum risk to their deposits - are somehow...OK? What planet are you on?
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 14, 2007, 1:02 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
It's on KK's Winning Methods page for crying out aloud.
A website that promotes casinos, written by a self professed 7 year winning streak gambler, called Kasinoking, has a winning methods page.
It's not a recommendation of anything specific though. Just a geaser rambling on about nothing in particular.
Even you don't buy that, and you just wrote it.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 14, 2007, 9:01 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
In rogue casino-speak, you are a "bonus abuser" if you take +EV out the casino.
That is your personal interpretation and not a written law (as far as I am aware - and I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong!).
As you know, I have a different definition of Bonus Abuse.
Of course, I don't play at rogue casinos, nor do I promote any. However, I do agree with you that the catch all "any play the management deem abusive..." is a 'rogue' term and I fully support all efforts to get the casinos to remove this from their T&C's and replace it with something completely unambiguous.
Nearly all reputable casinos (even most of the ones you advocate on your site) carry a similar term.
This thread has been shooting off in all different directions like an exploding firework and has nothing to do with the original title, so perhaps we should start a new thread for everyone to discuss their iews on this serious is... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 14, 2007, 8:33 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
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KK's Winning Methods
I do not claim that my methods are the ery best way to win online; in fact I’m certain they are not.
But this website is about my experiences, so I’m going to tell you how I like to play.
For a start, I know I do not play the best strategy on many games, like BlackJack for example, where I just can not bring myself to double down or split on all occasions directed by best strategy.
Instead I play the WAG system (Wild-Ass Guess!), which is close to best strategy, but based more on what I feel is going to happen rather than the mathematical probability!
I must be doing something right though, going by my results for the last 5-years!
What you are doing right, is use bonuses to overcome the house edge.
The rest, is something I understand fully, but should not be allowed published online, unless written as a warning of what not to do.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 14, 2007, 8:04 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
# We have another aff who promotes the wild arse guess system.
You know, I started writing a long reply but then realised I was defending myself again.
Well sod that!
Go and read it again & see what it REALLY says.
Have a pleasant evening.
KK
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KasinoKing.co.uk
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| Posted by: caruso at October 14, 2007, 7:59 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I'm not accusing you of bonus abuse - I don't support the term. You brought the term up in post 2 of the thread, and I am highlighting your double standards in applying it to others whilst not to yourself.
In rogue casino-speak, you are a "bonus abuser" if you take +EV out the casino. To be a consistent winner you have to do this, so whether or not you play slots or blackjack, in whatever manner, is irrelevant. The +EV is the only consideration. Since you are ahead, albeit not by much, I have to assume that your play takes +EV out the casino. As I said, to get +EV playing slots is almost impossible, but your lifetime winnings are such that I can see it would be possible.
So, we assume that your play is +EV, slots notwithstanding.
The +EV is what makes you "abusive" in rogue casino parlance. Casinos don't care what or how you play, their only consideration is their bottom line: the profit.
You claim that your +EV play (albeit on slots and of... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 14, 2007, 7:19 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
Well... we live in hope!
You can not be serious????
Everyone in the world surely knows that an exclamation mark (!) and a silly little smiley face with a sticky out tongue ( ) means the preceding sentence is a joke!
People - I think we have found the only person in the world with absolutely no sense of humor!
I certainly have one - I laughed so much at the latest nonsense that I almost wet myself!
And what about the other bit; First there's "It's impossible to win on slots", and then later, finally recognising that I do win on slots he accuses me of being a bonus abuser!!! Bonus abuse with slot play??? C'mon!!!
Quote: Originally Posted by BingoT
And KK is right when he tells it like it is he gets jumped on all the time.
This backstabbing back & forth is no go for the reader. and KK is only defending himself.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 12, 2007, 10:25 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
Hmmm... sounds like some else I know! Not you Joey - you're only half as biased & narrow minded as Caruso.
I am in full agreement with Caruso.
# We have an aff who advertises rogues because he likes their logo.
# We have another aff who promotes the wild arse guess system.
I am fully against you and your friend BL. Both of you are a liability to the player.
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| Posted by: BingoT at October 12, 2007, 8:08 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I only made a comment and I'm not here to bad mouth anyone.
And to tell you the truth I gave you a complement .
I'm not here to go back and forth with no one.
But all this nick picking stuff must give any members or new members bad ibes on people here.and I'm not here for any type of pissing contest you may have.
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
In wishing for my death? That's a new "self defense" in my book.
or did you also just stop by to waffle off-topic?
And this was not called for but anger gets in anyone's way at times.We are not all perfect like yourself.I would never wish this on anyone even if I hated you.
But I do have to say I hate waffles I love pancakes instead.
off-topic lol this thread went into a pissing contest awhile ago off-topic.
Have a good one
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| Posted by: caruso at October 12, 2007, 7:18 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BingoT
KK is only defending himself.
In wishing for my death? That's a new "self defence" in my book.
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And at times caruso does have some good points and this only comes when he has a good day on something.You catch him on a bad day watch out lol.
Well, that's an interesting statement. How do you know that my (apparent ) only coherece is after a "good day on something"? On what do you base that remark otherwise? Since you know absolutely nothing about me, this should be interesting.
Would you care to address the point (the hypocrisy of a "bonus abuser", a +EV player, claiming that his "abuse" is OK whilst others' isn't), or did you also just stop by to waffle off-topic?
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| Posted by: BingoT at October 12, 2007, 6:33 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I have to put my two cents in.
If I was a New Player and I was looking for a great place to play at and I seen all of the negativity from anyone I would not give that person the time or day and join anything they promote.or sell to players
And KK is right when he tells it like it is he gets jumped on all the time.
I can count on one hand who I would trust and KK is one of them.Oh and Me lol.
This backstabbing back & forth is no go for the reader.and KK is only defending himself.
It's a shame that Max lets this go on like it does and I feel this is no place to fight.
And at times caruso does have some good points and this only comes when he has a good day on something.You catch him on a bad day watch out lol.
If a player asked a question I say just help that person and leave it and don't make a war out of it.
You have many great people here that would help anyone that needed it.The main focus here is to help people out.
Thanks
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| Posted by: caruso at October 11, 2007, 2:27 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
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Well... we live in hope!
I don't think that wishing for my death puts you in a particularly agreeable light. That is an out of order comment, and your almost certain follow-up, that you were "joking", won't make it any less so.
Anyway, aside from that and the beguiling stream of insults it came with, it's maybe a trifle ironic that one who apparently cannot argue his way out of a paper bag has not has his arguments addressed, in any way other than that he might "die" and therefore not repeat them. That suggests rather that you cannot answer, so substitute insults, general waffle and a death-wish for good measure, and not at all that the argument is ineffectual.
So, to repeat:
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 11, 2007, 1:53 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Don't let him (caruso) get to your nerves and believe me he will die trying.
Well... we live in hope!
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
Your way of settling disputes is to jump in, snipe from the sidelines and give it the large from behind your keyboard BL.
Hmmm... sounds like some else I know! Not you Joey - you're only half as biased & narrow minded as Caruso. (He's so narrow minded I believe you could probably post his head through your letter box!)
Someone comes here & asks a gambling related question and I post my honest unbiased reply. Next thing you know Caruso jumps in with a warning to all readers that I'm a casino affiliate and therefore I'm a lying cheating bastard who's only posting to try to pursued people to isit my site, sign-up at my casinos & lose.
So he is not only insulting my integrity, but also insulting the intelligence of everyone reading the thread. I think it's prett... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 11, 2007, 4:50 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander is your point I surmise?
Your way of settling disputes is to jump in, snipe from the sidelines and give it the large from behind your keyboard BL. I believe it was you that inferred KK "beats" Caruso as a player and a webmaster, plus the rest of the posters are losers. You cry foul when a punter like me says i'll take 1/5 Caruso's casino winnings outweigh yours, and KK's casino winnings and aff money put together.
If I were you, i'd forget what I write too, judging by the drivel you post. Add that to your adverts for firms like Virtual casino, and you come across as a right win double old bean.
Maybe you have an actual point about the thread, or the conversation that then ensued?
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 11, 2007, 4:45 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
As I said earlier, if you don't like the weather in new england, go the f**k back to where you came from. You and caruso keep saying you hate it but you guys just keep coming back for beatings this totally escapes me really.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 11, 2007, 4:41 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I don't see your qualify your idea about settling disputes based on how much a man owns either. So am I obliged to answer you and entertain you and make your life a little more meaningful by posting rebutals?
KK is better than Caruso. Do the facts not speak for itself?
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 11, 2007, 4:18 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
If you have no actual arguement, post a picture. Well done BL.
You have not actually made a relevant point related to the discussion yet, and you must be on your 5th post or so in this thread by now.
Instead you happy yourself with baiting, based upon the poster, not relevancy to any point whatsoever.
A spectator heckling is your level BL. Keep it up. It is highly impressive.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 10, 2007, 5:24 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Forget about all this and use the internet only for porn from now on.
At least the porn industry provides a reasonably tangible service.
Quote: Originally Posted by eek
If I want to use a bonus for "entertainment" I can think of a heck of a lot more entertaining things to spend it on as opposed to $4000 of BJ playthrough.
Me too, if I were looking for "entertainment". Who wouldn't?
It amuses me how online casinos have always sought to allign the "entertainment alue" of their product with that of their terrestrial counterparts. Gambling in a real casino does have "entertainment" alue. At the blackjack table you can have a laugh with the other players, or just observe the personalities and cringe at their (invariably) dreadful play. Other games offer their own distractions, as does the general ambience to a greater or lesser degree. Play good blackjack... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 10, 2007, 5:03 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I doubt your yeah whatever large talk will shut me up. Keep trying though, from behind that keyboard there BL, you never know, you may scare me off.
I don't actually mind the gambling industry persay, being a gambler all my life and all. The onland gambling industry I was brought up on, is slightly different to this online game. The trick was to win in my world, not win how told to and when. The millionaires moaning that players do all they can to turn a profit while gambling, then steal their winnings, while keeping losers deposits, do get on my tits yes.
One would figure "bonuslover" agrees with me, but it seems something has turned his head. Whatever could that be?
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 10, 2007, 3:39 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Yeah whatever, I grew tired long ago reading your grumpy posts. If you hate the industry so much, THE DOOR IS RIGHT THERE! Forget about all this and use the internet only for porn from now on, you will feel better. I dare you that.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 10, 2007, 3:20 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I don't think you see straight when it comes to Caruso BL. The John McCririck of the casino scene has many twiddled with his acerbic straight talking, so atleast you are not alone.
Ultimately, this multi billion dollar industry is packed chock full of immensely rich companies and folk, who frown upon the little guy that dares to put his money where his mouth is and beat the oh-so-generous, caring, sharing house.
Attempts to advertise with "free money", are not quite as cheap as the money men would like, so they try to write out the benefits of a promotion to the player, while keeping the benefits for themselves.
The funny thing is the little guy like you & KK actually support these people.
Reason?.. The "affiliate" in general, cares about one thing. The affy cut. Regardless of everything and anything else, including the fundamental right for any player who risks his/her hard earned, to play hard to win. It's a moneymaker for you guys, that's wh... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bonuslover at October 9, 2007, 9:17 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Yeah so if it's only about 'outowning' then sure from now on there would be no more disagreements just compare our bank balances. Do they do that in your part of UK?
And I made my comments as a spectator only so don't add me to the equation. Mind you whatever you 'think' you know about my site you are way off.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 9, 2007, 2:22 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
KK
Don't waste your time arguing with losers. You beat caruso as a player (who doesn't )and you beat him as a webmaster. That's a fact. On a scale of ten, I believe you have a rep power of 8.5 while caruso probably 2. Don't let him get to your nerves and believe me he will die trying.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 8, 2007, 10:32 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I bet my own money without a bonus, every time I bet on a horse. I, unlike you, won't take a bonus at a casino, because to use casino promotional money to overcome the house edge, is apparently abusive..
Somehow you feel there is a place for you to utilise bonuses to win with for 7 years, and advertise the methodology you use, without actually abusing the "spirit" in which the bonus is given, ie to evaluate the games.
Every single time I bet, without fail, is an attempt to win money from the bookmaker. Anything else is a joke thing, or irresponsible gambling as far as i'm concerned.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 8, 2007, 8:39 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
Just saying it how it is.. Don't take it personally, I don't know you from Adam.
No offense taken!
The whole point of these forums is to openly discuss different opinions - it would be dead boring if we all just agreed with each other all the time!
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
# There's an irresponsible ditty in one of your description tags:
"Only the best online casinos, poker, sports. Free advice - how to ALWAYS win at casinos!"
Well, I made profit from playing at online casinos in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and I will in 2007...
I describe that as always winning (every year).
I you have a suggestion of a different way to describe that, I am all ears!
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
# You have a $25 for $100 KK special at a Grand Virtual.
If I throw in $25, and decide I can't be bothered poncing about spending all day playing a fruit machi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 8, 2007, 4:09 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
I might not be an adult Damian, you never know.
Ultimately, alleged bonus abuse, is the utilisation of a bonus to overcome the house edge at one, or arious casinos, rather than use it for entertainment.
It's called cake & eat it.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 8, 2007, 2:55 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Well, you can call it "marketing", Damian. We can call it "spring daffodils" even, or anything else to apply the required spin. How about "lying" and "deception"? That's what it is in truth, stripping away the political double-talk. Rather ironic to see deceiptful claims from someone who sells himself as "honest" and "hard-working". Joeyl's points are all well made.
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
There is no hypocrisy here; I have never, and will never abuse a bonus in the 'out & out' bonus abusing style you advocate. Bonus abusers lump their entire balance of deposit & chips on one 50/50-ish bet then grind out WR. I only ever play slots at <$2/spin & cards at <$10/hand. Bonus abuse? Go figure....!
This is just one playing style. "Bonus abusers", to use the rogue casino-speak definition, aren't players who play in this or that way; they are players who take EV out of the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at October 7, 2007, 7:21 pm | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
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how to ALWAYS win at casinos!"
If you a real adult you would know this is just marketing. Lots of big companies make over board statements. KasinoKing is far far from the worst casino webmasters. People always ways want to say, you should do this and do that. Just do you, if it dont harm people and adults should know they cant win everytime they play.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 7, 2007, 4:19 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Interesting point there KK is the arguable contradiction of terms you display generally.
# To warn of irresponsible gambling, but then to explain to punters you ignore blackjack basic strategy, in preference for the WAG system, ie the "wild arse guess", is arguably promoting an irresponsible gambling mentality, because you're mathematically proven, increasing the house edge.
# There's an irresponsible ditty in one of your description tags:
"Only the best online casinos, poker, sports. Free advice - how to ALWAYS win at casinos!"
# You have a $25 for $100 KK special at a Grand Virtual.
If I throw in $25, and decide I can't be bothered poncing about spending all day playing a fruit machine, to almost certainly lose, and decide to have a **** or bust gamble, ie fling the whole balance on red a couple of times to get a nice start. You'd have the nerve to say i'm abusing yours, or the casinos generosity.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 7, 2007, 1:37 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Why would it amaze you? You complain about "bonus abusers", whilst being the only "bonus abuser" on the ´net to constantly bleat on about winning every month with bonuses.
You´re accusing others of doing exactly what you do, while you have no problem doing it yourself. I have never seen such mind - numbing hypocrisy.
There is no hypocrisy here;
I have never, and will never abuse a bonus in the 'out & out' bonus abusing style you advocate.
Bonus abusers lump their entire balance of deposit & chips on one 50/50-ish bet then grind out WR.
I only ever play slots at <$2/spin & cards at <$10/hand. Bonus abuse? Go figure....!
Forget that last bit - it's probably beyond you.
I profit from bonuses by using money management and not by just grinding out blackjack while religiously following a basic strategy chart - in other words I have to actually THINK about what I'm doing.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 6, 2007, 9:45 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
I have adverts up yes. Mine, nor your stats do not convince me this industry is not worth multiple billions.
Right. Affy spin is alive and kicking. All players are winning, all casinos are losing, and the world is made of cream cheese.
People who make these claims - and I doubt Kasino is the only one by a stretch - I think have been exposed to gambling from nothing but their cosy computer screens. Get real. Go and see gamblers in a real casino some time. I was at one place last night I've been frequenting for a year or so. One roulette player, who I've seen there on most of my isits, plasters the board solid with chips and never quits. Some blackjack players were making the most spaced-out plays I have ever seen, on decent-sized bet levels. Every possible play to rack the house edge up to around 8%. Rebuy. Lose. Rebuy. Lose. Repeat until it's all gone. Can I rebuy with my credit card, please? - my cash has run dry. Sorry, dude, no c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at October 6, 2007, 12:58 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Why would it amaze you? You complain about "bonus abusers", whilst being the only "bonus abuser" on the ´net to constantly bleat on about winning every month with bonuses. You´re accusing others of doing exactly what you do, while you have no problem doing it yourself. I have never seen such mind - numbing hypocrisy. And, to use your own words, this doesn´t exactly "amaze" me as I´m used to it now, but it certanly goes in that direction.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at October 5, 2007, 11:21 am | | Topic: Pharaoh's Casino has switched to MG Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
You should wonder why. The industry is worth billions.
Still not good enough for those operators that make multiple millions, and you the little guy actually support these people.
Must be the sea air
I'm a little bit surprised to hear that from you Joey - I thought you were an affiliate too - are you not?
The thing about being an affiliate is you get to see not only when players lose in casinos, but also when they win. I think a lot people have a distorted iew of how much casinos (and affiliates) make.
For example, in August these were some of the profits made by 'my' players:-
£150
£1,689
$1,956
$200
$1,500
$295
Plus quite a lot of smaller amounts.
All in all we are looking at well over $8,000 lost by 'my' casinos to players.
My total affy income for August was way less than $2000.
The average commission is around 25%, so the casinos total net income was way... | | Read Entire Entry |
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