| Posted by: KasinoKing at December 4, 2007, 5:13 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Kasino the rogue affiliate hypocrite. Don't sweat it.
This comes from Kasino's "Make your first easy $100+ page":
Sorry for the delay in coming back on this - I bin on me 'oliday innit!
(Will take me another week just to catch up!)
I object (again) to the word 'rogue' here - I am not a rogue and nor are any of the casinos I recommend.
I do agree that that page is a bit hypocritical, because as you know, that is not a playing style I advocate these days. But it is in my 'Beginners Guides' section which is aimed at introducing new players to the online gaming world, and showing them (in the simplest form) how easy profit can be made from some bonuses.
And of course that is how I started out all those years ago, mainly just playing Blackjack.
Mind you, a lot of blooming good that page has done me - in 18 months online I have never had a single sign-up at 888!
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| Posted by: sdaddy at November 23, 2007, 8:44 pm | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
I do agree it is highly unsatisfactory that the rules are not all written down in black & white at most casinos, but none of us can do anything to change that.
I'm glad you agree this language is not good for players, but I don't think there's nothing that can be done to stop it. Putting a negative spotlight on it is one thing to keep it in check. I think this is what led Playshare to recently pledge, in response to criticism, that it will not invoke its promotional abuse policy to oid winnings.
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So you have two choices; guess what they mean by 'bonus abuse' and avoid doing it - or don't play at that casino.
On that point I think we can agree. Players do have to take some responsibility and try to avoid those casinos that allow such practices. On the other hand, webmasters and affiliates need to do more to alert players to this issue for the casinos they promote.
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| Posted by: caruso at November 23, 2007, 1:51 pm | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
If the player tried to 'cheat' the casino, gets caught and they give him his original deposit back, that seems fair enough to me. The player has not had anything stolen from him if he gets his money back.
Well, he has. He's had his winnings stolen. BUT, if he tried to cheat, he shouldn't really get his deposit back. In truth, it should probably be donated to a third party, as neither casino nor player are entitled to it.
But of course, you're not talking about really cheating - fraud, multi accounts etc - you're talking about players, in your words, "abusing bonuses". This is what you "teach" your players to do. Then, when the casino robs them for exactly that "abuse", you say it's OK.
If you can't see your glaring hypocrisy, you're the only one.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at November 23, 2007, 1:32 pm | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
I'm disappointed to hear that you think this is ever OK, even in rare cases
If the player tried to 'cheat' the casino, gets caught and they give him his original deposit back, that seems fair enough to me. The player has not had anything stolen from him if he gets his money back.
To me, trying to make the most out of a bonus is just a 'game' between the player & the casino. I try to make as much as I can without breaking the rules. I do agree it is highly unsatisfactory that the rules are not all written down in black & white at most casinos, but none of us can do anything to change that. So you have two choices; guess what they mean by 'bonus abuse' and avoid doing it - or don't play at that casino.
I have taken 100's of bonuses and never once had my winnings denied.
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| Posted by: caruso at November 23, 2007, 5:04 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
I'm disappointed to hear that you think this is ever OK, even in rare cases
Kasino the rogue affiliate hypocrite. Don't sweat it.
This comes from Kasino's "Make you first easy $100+ page":
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The easiest way to make your first $100+ is by using a generous online casino bonus where Blackjack is allowed in wagering to qualify for the bonus! Take for example 888.com's sign-up bonus...(etc)
It's VERY unlikely that you would lose more than $100, so making $100+ profit is a near-certainty! Note: You need to 'flat bet' (bet the same (small) amounts on every hand) or something close, and play close to best strategy for this to work.
There is a ery small chance you might get labeled a 'bonus abuser' for using this method, but it is not against their T&C's so the worst that will happen is you will get paid, but wont get any future bonus offers. Their on-going offers are ery ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at November 23, 2007, 2:43 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
"bonus abusers" - yawn.
If I sign up to 10 casinos from your site - you'll give me £50 right? If I take a bonus at every casino, you'll agree when those casinos call me a bonus abuser, without a doubt. Even if I follow your whacky play advice.
You have more front than Margate.
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| Posted by: sdaddy at November 23, 2007, 1:36 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
Quite true; but then again you will find something ery similar to this at 95% of all online casinos - even the most reputable ones.
I seriously doubt that most reputable casinos have subjective bonus abuse policies that allow confiscation of winnings, as you claim.
But in Rival's case it's more than just having this in their T&Cs; two separate players at Rival casinos have posted complaints at Casinomeister about having their winnings removed because of 'bonus abuse':
case 1
case 2
Yes, these players were eventually paid their winnings after they complained publicly, but there was never any clear statement from the Rival rep that this bonus abuse rule would never be invoked again, only that "mistakes were made" in these specific cases.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at November 23, 2007, 12:28 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
Which is fine, but they also give themselves the right to apply subjective 'bonus abuse' criteria to confiscate winnings after a player cashes in. This is not acceptable.
Quoting from their T&Cs:
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6. Casino management reserves the right to annul privileges to promotions and/or in rare cases suspend a player's account and refund any deposits if upon review of transaction records it is concluded that the player is applying strategies considered to be abusive in nature. This includes playing excluded or banned games before wagering out almost exactly the minimum required on allowed games.
Quite true; but then again you will find something ery similar to this at 95% of all online casinos - even the most reputable ones.
I personally do not have a problem with this term as long as deposits are returned in the rare cases when such rules are invoked, as is stated in this example.
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| Posted by: sdaddy at November 22, 2007, 2:58 pm | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
This is obviously to stop 'bonus abusers' & fraudsters hitting all their casinos in one go, and gives Rival a better chance of stopping such activity sooner rather than later.
Which is fine, but they also give themselves the right to apply subjective 'bonus abuse' criteria to confiscate winnings after a player cashes in. This is not acceptable.
Quoting from their T&Cs:
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6. Casino management reserves the right to annul privileges to promotions and/or in rare cases suspend a player's account and refund any deposits if upon review of transaction records it is concluded that the player is applying strategies considered to be abusive in nature. This includes playing excluded or banned games before wagering out almost exactly the minimum required on allowed games.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at November 22, 2007, 5:05 am | | Topic: Rival casinos - one bonus at a time. Forum: Winner Online |
Just a little heads up to anyone playing, or thinking of playing at Rival powered casinos; I just found out that although they are run by several different operators, all Rival casinos originate from the same server and they have recently changed the rules so you can only have one active bonus at any casino at any one time.
e.g. If you still have bonus chips in your account at Pantasia, you can not claim a bonus at Simon Says.
This is obviously to stop 'bonus abusers' & fraudsters hitting all their casinos in one go, and gives Rival a better chance of stopping such activity sooner rather than later.
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