| Posted by: Coreadrin_47 at December 13, 2007, 1:05 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Hi,
It's a bit of an either-way situation. You do have the upper hand though, if the following conditions are met:
1) You yourself did not request in any way that your account activity be restricted, it was only your wife that did
2) - the first is dependent upon this - That your wife in no way has been legally appointed or recognized as a primary speaker / caretaker over your decisions due to any disorder or disability that you have
3) - This isn't concrete it would just really help - if you can show in your transaction history that those winnings came from funds deposited BEFORE the requests for restriction and not after the requests they have no case anyway.
But I would talk to a lawyer in the end and see if you have a case, because they're obviously just trying to cover their asses on a big payout. I would sue for the 22k for sure and then on top I would nail them for withholding ONLY WHEN IT PROFITS THEM! Let's be honest here, they would have j... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: donnieb at December 13, 2007, 11:05 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Dear caruso,
They got me...after several attempts to withdraw since 11/23...today they reversed three $2700.00 withdrawals out. i can still log into cashier ect...but the withdrals were reversed today. i even played a few minutes and won and sent withdrals back to processing....i know now they are playing games and are not going to pay. i sure wished i knew some white hat hackers who could cause them damage.
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| Posted by: caruso at December 13, 2007, 4:05 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Cloud went under several aliases, Oliver Curren being the most recent. Donald Fortune (LOL) and Richard Brookes were others. He "claims" to have sold the Crystal Palace group, but I think this is a subterfuge; he knows his name is damaged goods (do a Google search of "Warren Cloud" and you'll see one reason for that ) so he pretended he was quitting. Everything about the group seems the same now as it was then, so I'm sure he's still in charge.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at December 12, 2007, 7:33 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
That concept never found its way into the Crystal Palace business modus operandi, unfortunately.
Really unbelievable how thieves can continue to operate year in and year out. I personally like casinos that are a bit rogue (not thieves) but trailblazers and pioneers. But at the end of the day, a bet layed is a bet paid if a win happens - or it is a thief.
Any casino that lets a US payer wager is a bit rogue these days, and I'm totally okay with that. Sorry for being a bit off topic, I totally sympathize with the OP's plight and have seen it on message boards all over for quite some time, and it is ery good it is kept in the light and bumped again and again.
Sorry if I seem uninformed... but is CP warren cloud or oliver curren, or are they the same?
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| Posted by: caruso at December 3, 2007, 9:17 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Just found this in my blog article about DC's case, posted one month ago:
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Oh my God. I've should have read this earlier. Crystal Palace Casino stole $ 7.000,00 from me.
What happened:
May 27th 2007 we won a jackpot and (after loosing a bit) we wanted to cash $ 12.000,00.
In Crystal Palace Casino one can only withdraw a maximum of $ 5.000,00 per week.
We did however requested them all on the same day.
June 3rd we received the first $ 5.000,00 was approved.
Then we waited and waited.
We tried to communicate with support and asked them where are money was. They told us we had to send:
? FaxBack forms
? Credit card copies front and back
? Utility bills
? Drivers licenses
Which we did several times. Support kept telling us everything would be all right now.
June 26th they declined our withdrawal request.
July 24th they declined again
August 8th declined again
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| Posted by: donnieb at November 30, 2007, 8:49 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
thanks for the shot in the arm kakata,
this forum is the only place i've even mentioned it. and i've made the mistake about using their name...on a new thread.....i hope they don't come in here.
yipes!
it has been so long that i have played online and never have not been paid. i didn't even check them out until after the fact. i only live an hour from tunica ms....3rd largest casino town in the nation. so, i've been going down there but the biggest win there has only been @3k and on line 24k back in 2002....i want name the casino but they wired the money 48 hours later into my checking account....it came from some joint name proc-cyber services in south africa.
wild....but true.
thanks again,
donnieb
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| Posted by: kakata at November 30, 2007, 1:51 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by donnieb
dear joey and dc9999,
is there any recourse one can take or am i being to nervous to soon? it has been a week and i have received an email from the casino sayinf that they need my paperwork faxed in again(which i did right away) but funds still say in the cashier page $2700.00 pending withdrawal ia overnight letter. evertime i call they say it just takes time and "they pay their winners".
i sure wished there was an agency or some type of authority (with teeth) that could MAKE them pay players.
i mean they have the house advantage anyway...why be greedy and tarnish the image of the good casinos that folks may want to play at but are afraid.
i'm just frustraded...thanks for listening.
donnieb
Dont be to nervous about it........you will get paid.....otherwise they would have told you already.Believe me I know.
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| Posted by: joeyl at November 30, 2007, 10:12 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
There is no real recourse Donnie.
Hopefully they will pay you, if you jump through the hoops they ask.
If not, apparently the licensing authority have asked the firm dealing with the Absolute Poker report, to look into players complaints. Therefore, if the casino don't pay you, you may have someone to present your complaint to.
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| Posted by: donnieb at November 30, 2007, 7:20 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
dear joey and dc9999,
is there any recourse one can take or am i being to nervous to soon? it has been a week and i have received an email from the casino sayinf that they need my paperwork faxed in again(which i did right away) but funds still say in the cashier page $2700.00 pending withdrawal ia overnight letter. evertime i call they say it just takes time and "they pay their winners".
i sure wished there was an agency or some type of authority (with teeth) that could MAKE them pay players.
i mean they have the house advantage anyway...why be greedy and tarnish the image of the good casinos that folks may want to play at but are afraid.
i'm just frustraded...thanks for listening.
donnieb
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| Posted by: dc9999 at November 29, 2007, 5:39 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
I'm assuming you're referring to my $4,000 withdrawal from CP that occurred well before I was denied the $22,000 + in winnings?
In that instance, I waited about two weeks....in fact since that cashout went relatively smoothly, I was encouraged to keep playing with these guys -even though I was well aware of their less than stellar track record with other players....I of course learned my lesson BIG TIME when I got screwed out of the $22 G's!!
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| Posted by: donnieb at November 26, 2007, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
i'm currently owed $8400.00 US and my first withdrawal for 2700.00 is still in pending withdrawals as well as 2 more..it has been well over the48 hours the csr said i must wait and then i would get some kind of atm card after eight days. i have faxed in everything(id's ect.) and it is still in pending. this money was won without any bonuses, and after 1700.00 in deposits. i want mention what casino because i don't want to be a spammer.
my question is to dc9999....how long ago did you get your two withdrals for the 4,ooo and how long did it take.
sincerely,
donnieb
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| Posted by: caruso at November 15, 2007, 12:42 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Noticed this from Bailey's latest newsletter:
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Heads Up on the Crystal Palace Group
If you have a legitimate issue about this rogue casino group, please either fill out a Pitch a Bitch or contact me. The Kahnawake Gaming Commission has brought on their auditors, the Gaming Associates, to review and handle these complaints. I'm not sure how far back they are willing to go, but they may be willing to consider issues that have collected a bit of dust.
There is something seriously wrong with a casino group when a licensing agency has to get involved with player issues - players need to remain wary of these casinos.
DC99: give it one more go.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at November 15, 2007, 8:18 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
Thanks for the heads-up. I got one of these in the mail too.
So how do you quickly identify one of these Curren joints anyway?
It is easy to spot as long as you know what to look for! Curran keeps putting this phrase in his Casino terms:
"Promotional offers are not available to any players who have been locked out of any of our sister casinos including (but not restricted to): Crystal Palace. High Rollers Lounge. Cleopatras-Casino. American Grand. Golden Nile. Lucky Coin. Lucky Pyramid. Royal Circus and Real Vegas Online or Power Bet. In addition. we contribute to and makes use of a shared industry database of promotion abusers. Individuals known from this database to only make use of promotional offers without ever risking their own funds will not be eligible for this promotional offer."
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| Posted by: Schankwart at November 14, 2007, 3:55 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Red Alert:
There is a new scam under the house of Mr. Curran by the name of jackpotkingscasino.com! Just like all his other Casinos, this place is to be doomed and avoided. I received a letter of them in my mailbox today, asking me to make a deposit.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at July 24, 2007, 4:04 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Well kudos to Max and Winneronline for ditching the infamous rogue outfit known as Crystal Palace from the "top five" promo list.
Every little affront and "take down" relative to these thieves helps, and karma being what it is,,,,I'm sure Cloud and his cronies will face the music one day soon...
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| Posted by: dc9999 at July 21, 2007, 6:43 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
The inclusion of Crystal Palace as a bona fide (i.e. "legitimate") operation on this site, just proves once again, that money talks, and bulls^&t walks!
I am deeply chagrined that this whole US ban on internet gambling occurred when it did, because had it not, I truly believe my media friends would have followed through on their expose of Cloud and his gang of his thieves. Unfortunately circumstances being what they are at present, no major media outlet is going to highlight US based players who have been screwed, while participating in an activity that is now technically illegal.
The only solace I take, is that hopefully in the not too distant future, some LEGITIMATE enterprises (like The Mirage Group, Bally's etc.) will drive these bottom feeders like Cloud/Curran out of business entirely.
Of course, by that time, he will be sipping mai tai's on some tropical island with the RTG bigwigs having laughed all the way to the bank...
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| Posted by: caruso at July 18, 2007, 2:54 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
I doubt Crypto hasn't handed over WOL to Warren Cloud, Shankie, LOL. Best that none of us are too antagonistic on this emotive subject.
Also worth bearing in mind that Max doesn't have anything to do with WOL marketing, no more than WOL is his company, but he's our point of contact with those who are, and he's probably a bit more in the know about the scene as well - in addition to having an influencing oice.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at July 18, 2007, 11:49 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
And speaking of "marketing"...
It's nice to see that Winneronline is prominently promoting those upstanding Crystal Palace folks - and their $777 "welcome bonus" -front and center in the "TOP FIVE" casino promotions sections.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at July 14, 2007, 11:52 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Just got back from Montreal - and some rafting in the St. Lawrence - when our guide pointed out the Kahnawake territory that was looming in the horizon.
I was literally a "stones throw away" from that stellar regulatory body, and yes I did feel like throwing a few stones - or boulders!
Even more humorous was this blurb on what the Kahnawake reservation is focused on in the new millenium ia one of their own press releases:
"The Kahnawake Nation has always been about justice, integrity, and fair play, so it's not surprising that the Kahnawake group is regarded as the LEADING REGULATORY AND "WATCH DOG" agency governing online casino gambling worldwide".
Wow,,talk about spin doctoring!!!
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| Posted by: caruso at June 16, 2007, 3:24 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Some comments from Jetset about RTG's general slide further into irresponsibility and general roguedom:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/166548-post1.html
Quite right to - as are the suggestions about Conawake:
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1) Fast response to complaints - an immediate acknowledgement and then a fast attention to the issue followed by a decision. Most disputes should be capable of resolution within a few days.
2) Either employ an experienced person or train one up - perhaps in collaboration with the 'Meister.
3) Consistency - have a set of basic policies to cover principal areas of dispute that can be applied for speed and consistency.
4) Convenience - a well publicised online facility where players can lodge reports for fast attention.
5) Enforcement - make compliance with regulations and a responsive attitude to the Kahnawake disputes person a condition of a Kahnawake license. Operators must be required to commu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dc9999 at June 13, 2007, 1:59 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Well..today I received a spanking new CD-ROM and $100 free play offer from one of those stellar Crystalisle licensees - Royal Circus (how fitting...)
So I phoned their "one size fits all" customer service line, and asked them if I'd be eligible to cash out winnings - if I was fortunate enough to have any - considering I was no longer an "active" player at their flagship sister site - Crystal Palace (having been banned of course due to my $22,000 withdrawal debacle..)
Their response: "No problem Sir!" "We don't care what happened at Crystal Palace..You can deposit with us and cash out with us,,,no problem"
Un-freaking- believable huh?
SO..at that point,,I told them I'd be happy to take advantage of the Royal Circus free play offer - provided they tell when I can expect my first check from the $22,000 Crystal Palace still owed me....
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| Posted by: dc9999 at May 25, 2007, 5:53 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
And just so everyone knows....
I was VERY glad to see kakata move to Inetbet, and have a good run of luck there.....
As I stated previously, I have no beef whatsoever with kakata other than what I believed was his habit of "deviating" from the spirit of this thread.
So that's that as far as I'm concerned
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| Posted by: max at May 10, 2007, 2:14 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dc9999
You're a moron pure and simple....and bethug's comments certainly expose you for the nutjob you are.
And you're being abusive. Why won't you take a good warning for what it's worth? Let's give you a couple weeks time off from the boards to mull things over.
And a fair warning to the rest of you: name-calling is not appropriate behaviour here. Cease and desist or you'll be joining dc9999 in the doghouse.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at May 10, 2007, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
1 person defended Kakata, albeit through slightly tired, gritted teeth, for he has the right to get paid, even though he played again at a place where others have not got paid. So you're directing your morally & ethically driven quip at me. Charming.
You must think I forget the facts easy yes.
I defend you, like I defend Kakata, for you are ni'on identical, in full knowledge you both played at places where others have met problems.
I would do the same again tomorrow, whether you question my "ethics" for doing so or not.
Once again, I stand unmoved, and alone it seems. I still expect you to get paid what is rightfully yours.
If I got paid by a rogue outfit, I certainly wouldn't keep coming back on this forum and others, to tell further tales of how I was taken care of - while others were screwed.
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| Posted by: dc9999 at May 10, 2007, 12:56 pm | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by kakata
Originally Posted by dc9999
My wife encouraged me over the years to close a number of my many online accounts (when I began to spend too much time with this "hobby"!) The reason I reopened a new Crystal Palace account just last week, was because I had good luck there, as mentioned above, previously. And, outside of the annoying 5-7 day "approval" period for withdrawals, I received my money as stipulated.
That stated, I was aware of the problems other gamblers had with Crystal Palace's operator - and many other RTG sites in general. I previously preferred Playtech sites to be truthful......But when you have a good run at a particular casino, you tend to go back. So I went back to Crystal Palace.
Hey Idiot were are you?
You were aware....and you went back...you full of crap.
All you want is the attention you dont get at home.
Well, of course you dont. You boring, stupid baby.Grow up.get a life.
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| Posted by: kakata at May 10, 2007, 10:13 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Originally Posted by dc9999
My wife encouraged me over the years to close a number of my many online accounts (when I began to spend too much time with this "hobby"!) The reason I reopened a new Crystal Palace account just last week, was because I had good luck there, as mentioned above, previously. And, outside of the annoying 5-7 day "approval" period for withdrawals, I received my money as stipulated.
That stated, I was aware of the problems other gamblers had with Crystal Palace's operator - and many other RTG sites in general. I previously preferred Playtech sites to be truthful......But when you have a good run at a particular casino, you tend to go back. So I went back to Crystal Palace.
Hey Idiot were are you?
You were aware....and you went back...you full of crap.
All you want is the attention you dont get at home.
Well, of course you dont. You boring, stupid baby.Grow up.get a life.
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| Posted by: Avatar73 at May 10, 2007, 1:22 am | | Topic: Crystal Palace Withholding $22,000 in WINNINGS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
If you win you should get paid. But not from a well known crooked place. Nobody want to hear it, if you was known up front about the crooks.
When people said, crystal palace paid me, or prism paid me. Or the big trick i seen for the last few years, the owners change. Why would you buy a company with a bad name. If you going to lay down 5 to 6 figures you will check to see if the casino has a bad name. Its hard to believe any one, seem like everyone has there hand in the cookie jar.
O read the terms, after you read 30minutes of all them terms you head hurts. Then you got casinos sending you checks with numbers on it, no good and well its going to be hard to cash. (numbers the name of the company). then you got haters, which you support jon
Does this make any sense whatsoever? Is it English?
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