| Posted by: BingoT at December 31, 2007, 5:07 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Here is for the The Fortune Group
All the stuff on ya.
I think GM should put all The Fortune Group all in one thread.
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=31482
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=28162
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthre...39&page=1&pp=40
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| Posted by: caruso at December 31, 2007, 4:50 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
The Fortune Lounge scam is still up and running. Terms unchanged, players still being robbed on the basis of "pattern abuse".
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| Posted by: shakeracer at November 21, 2007, 6:09 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
Funny remember last time it was the same guy writing long long loooooong passages without any punctuations complaining about being 'scammed' by casinos. I am not suggesting anything though.
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im sorry when someone takes your money, dont you feel scammed if you win and they dont pay you, over a technicallity.
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| Posted by: joeyl at November 20, 2007, 4:37 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
That clears it up for most of us.
It shows that before a casino takes a deposit from a player, it should probably do it's checks.
Not just check the withdrawal requests.
imo.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at November 19, 2007, 9:59 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Funny remember last time it was the same guy writing long long loooooong passages without any punctuations complaining about being 'scammed' by casinos. I am not suggesting anything though.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at November 19, 2007, 8:40 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
as it turns out i was working in an office where several other coworkers would play at the casino in free tournaments to my knowledge i was the only one who placed funds into my account. i understand that the casino has rules about multiple players gaming from the same address
That clears it up for most of us.
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| Posted by: Schankwart at November 19, 2007, 11:41 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by shakeracer
zero credibility i dont get where you are coming from how did i try to defraud the casino by using one account to make deposits in i provided legitmate credit card statements yes i should have followed back up but once ecogra gave me the same response as the casino i figured case closed learnt my lesson dont play online simple but after browsing across my history and reading the posts i felt that i have to respond and once again i will state that i did not knowingly break the rules and was assured that there would not be a problem as the casino had accepted my funds i wasnt making irregular bets or abusing bouses in fact i only received 2 bonuses and i played them through exactly as in the casino rules so please tell me how the heck i was trying to defraud anyone was i using a stolen credit card no was i claiming to have won something i didnt no i paid for my credits i played my credits and expected to be paid if i won on the money i had deposited no che... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shakeracer at November 19, 2007, 11:24 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
Slow day Max?
Almost 90 days later you feel the need for a commentary?
YOU want to lecture ME on letting people speak their minds openly?
That's hysterical.
As to the thread starter and topic, {and that's what I addressed}, the poster has no credibility. ZERO.
This thread has only ONE player complaint in it, and that from the missing thread starter.
If they are so scammy, then let's see the unresolved complaints!
I will gladly work ANY complaint that any player has with Fortune Lounge, and post the results for all to see.
Just send me a PM.
zero credibility i dont get where you are coming from how did i try to defraud the casino by using one account to make deposits in i provided legitmate credit card statements yes i should have followed back up but once ecogra gave me the same response as the casino i figured case closed learnt my lesson dont play online simple but after browsing across my h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shakeracer at November 19, 2007, 10:50 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
i just wanted to respond to prove i didnt go around making this up and abusing the system. As luck would have it after i made the post on the bulletins and i didnt post on all and sundry, just 2 and then when i saw what the ecogra site said i decided to leave it in there hands.
My main concern is that if you accept a players money, allow him to play then you should allow him to keep his winnings.
Turns out i was working in an office where several coworkers play at the casino in free tournaments, to my knowledge i was the only one who placed funds into an account. I understand that the casino has rules about multiple players gaming from the same address, but how can u accept a players money without checking into this first. Had i not tried to withdraw funds i could still be putting in money today, not knowing that i wasnt allowed to win anything till it was too late.
So know i just stick with egas cos if you enter play and win you walk out ahead, unlike online with fortune lounge .
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| Posted by: bakinbaconwithmacon at October 18, 2007, 12:04 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
That is funny, most Canadians I know like to capitalize the word Canada or Canadian much like Americans do but I see Americans sometimes lower casing 'canada'... However I accept it and also no Canadian misspells it 'canadia',
This is a typical nut hugging post where normally I would call foul play instead I call dickbreathe.
Fortune Lounge has a history of ripping legitimate players off... Funny how some RTG casinos used to be bad but now they have a good reputation while FL has done the complete opposite, The whole player security company is a joke and it doesn't exist and if it did why is there any good reason to disclose this information... We all know it's just a fictitious tool that FL uses to try to blame their stealing to an outside source where they can't disclose the information. Gamblers if you are listening, if this company cannot disclose this source then why would you deposit at their casino? Ironic that you don't get the same service at: www.888.com, www.32red.com fo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bart at October 14, 2007, 9:39 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Saturnena
I play ideo poker and slots ,sorry but i am not sure what a 'ploppy 'is
Caruso has it right. It is a term of art amongst gamblers.
"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. "
http://www.blackjacktournaments.com...read.php?t=3088
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| Posted by: caruso at October 14, 2007, 3:51 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
If they are so scammy, then let's see the unresolved complaints! I will gladly work ANY complaint that any player has with Fortune Lounge, and post the results for all to see. Just send me a PM.
The point is that Fortune Lounge reserves the right to rob players. If a player complains, Fortune Lounge will say, "hey, you know we reserve the right to rob you, you agreed to this when you signed up, so what are you complaining about? We did what we said we'd do, as per our terms".
eCOGRA will then say exactly the same: Fortune Lounge reserves the right to rob as per their terms.
This is the point.
And although the original starter of the thread was not scammed, the fact is that Fortune Lounge are scamming players. That's why I bumped the thread, with a late response to Nick's comments. I suppose one could start a new one, entitled Fortune Lounge Bonus Scammers, but I remembered this one and just bumped i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at October 14, 2007, 3:43 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
Slow day Max?
Almost 90 days later you feel the need for a commentary?
YOU want to lecture ME on letting people speak their minds openly?
That's hysterical.
As to the thread starter and topic, {and that's what I addressed}, the poster has no credibility. ZERO.
This thread has only ONE player complaint in it, and that from the missing thread starter.
If they are so scammy, then let's see the unresolved complaints!
I will gladly work ANY complaint that any player has with Fortune Lounge, and post the results for all to see.
Just send me a PM.
The complaints revolve around alleged bonus abuse, or alleged irregular play.
You have casinos using arious marketing techniques to rope in players. Those players will want to win money. If not, they should be barred, because they don't understand what they are letting themselves in for.
The casino tries to write into the terms that the promotion... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bart at October 13, 2007, 8:36 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Saturnena
I dont think casinos use this multiple account excuse as often as it appears ,they could have used it on me and took my $30,000.I have learned as a player that if you are good to the casinos and that dont mean putting in thousands for the most part they will treat you good to retain your business.I think Fortune has gotten the raw end of the stick on this thread and it is certainly not the experience i have with them.They have won all my business now for sure.
They like ploppies. They just don't like smart players. I am not saying you are a ploppy, but once you demonstrate competancy, you can expect a change in attitude.
Caruso, has it right. They have these bizarre bonus terms so they can trap players. But if you are a player that just likes to go and play slots, they probably will be fine.
I mean really guys - these people steal *winnings*. A renege on a bet is THE cardinal sin. There is a new thread about this... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Saturnena at October 13, 2007, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this thread and hope Fortune Lounge sees it.I am a player at their casinos , egas palms is the one play at regularly .In late August i won $10,000 on deuces and jokers ,Cashed out $8000.00 and received it in 4 days.
Exactly 2 weeks later with a bit more money in my pocket , I played same game and won $20,000.I cashed out $8000.00 + $9000.00 ia checks which i got in 6 days .Last weekend they sent me a lovely gift basket for canadia thanks giving.
I had a ip manager BEN A that always took care of my account even when i was just doing my sunday afternoon $300.00 deposits and since my luck has increased and my deposits too I have another CHAP Nick that sends me emails.A couple weeks ago Nick Gave me two hundred dollars , i couldnt see it in my egas palms acct and after checking i have a old account in the system from 2003 that hasnt been used since then.Nick closed the old account and sent the $200.00 to my active account that i have been playing the last 9 months.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The_CPA at October 13, 2007, 5:54 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Slow day Max?
Almost 90 days later you feel the need for a commentary?
Quote:
WOL has always tried to be a place where people could discuss their casino issues without being overly restricted in how they do so.
YOU want to lecture ME on letting people speak their minds openly?
That's hysterical.
As to the thread starter and topic, {and that's what I addressed}, the poster has no credibility. ZERO.
This thread has only ONE player complaint in it, and that from the missing thread starter.
If they are so scammy, then let's see the unresolved complaints!
I will gladly work ANY complaint that any player has with Fortune Lounge, and post the results for all to see.
Just send me a PM.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 13, 2007, 10:07 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Cannot get by without a personal insult eh BL?
Seeing that you bring sexuality into every arguement you can, Caruso's mother's illness, disagree with the losers on the board, how the board is run, the mods, and use the forum as a link farm for your banner farm, plus use the WOL's stength in the searches to drive traffic to your own.. I wonder why you are tolerated.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 13, 2007, 9:37 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Ask your lover caruso, as you will join him in my ignored members list and I dont have to hear a thing from you and other losers ever again.
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| Posted by: joeyl at October 13, 2007, 9:33 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
I can live with bonus abuse but I can't take "irregular betting".
What's the difference?
An opporunity to link up the words online blackjack to your rogue casino banner farm?
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| Posted by: max at October 13, 2007, 8:38 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
I think the Title of this thread should be amended so as not to prejudice anyone, or the casino unfairly.
I think you've got WOL confused with PRNewsWire or the like. It's not our purpose nor intention to "not prejudice anyone." If the original poster felt that they were being scammed then that's exactly what the thread _should_ read, no need to mince around about it.
Please note that the name of the forum is BEST AND WORST not "I butter you up and you massage me nicely".
WOL has always tried to be a place where people could discuss their casino issues without being overly restricted in how they do so. What you advocate is the exact opposite of that and not our agenda at all.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at October 13, 2007, 7:39 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
I can live with bonus abuse but I can't take "irregular betting".
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| Posted by: bart at October 12, 2007, 7:05 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
What goes around comes around. They just changed from bonus abuse to irregular betting.
I guess we could change the name of the thread to "Fortune Lounge- the scams continue".
bart
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| Posted by: caruso at October 12, 2007, 12:39 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
The thread title is absolutely correct. This is an out and out scam.
Stay away from Fortune Lounge, this scamming group.
My apologies for sounding like a broken record, but this is so damn out of order.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at July 27, 2007, 9:57 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
In all fairness to Fortune, and since the Thread starter is clearly MIA, and Bogus,... I think the Title of this thread should be amended so as not to prejudice anyone, or the casino unfairly.
There was obviously no scam here.
On the up side, it would appear that some questions were answered, {albeit on a different issue}, in the interest of Players and the Casino, so maybe this will be a thread that can have a sensible, and positive ending!
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| Posted by: joeyl at July 27, 2007, 8:06 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Confiscation of Winnings.
It most certainly is not just Fortune Lounge who have been confiscating winnings based upon players winning utilising the bonus to maximum effect. It has been going on for too long.
Multiple Accounts.
No one here I have seen, will defend multiple accounts, whether they be used to defraud a casino out of funds, or be used to chargeback with, or whatever unscrupulous things some players try to pull.
Fraud and winning are 2 totally different things.
Public Accountability.
Yes, it is unfortunate Vpops is here alone defending what seems to be the industry as a whole. That is certainly 1 up for FL, and 1 down for most of the rest, for sure.
Transparency.
Ecogra have sent out a policy note or whatever to their casinos not to do the bonus abuse thing. The problem there is transparency, because it is not published for the player to see.
If Ecogra, or FL want to put into print on their websites, that winning as much as possible... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FortuneLounge at July 27, 2007, 6:49 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Your summary of the situation is correct which is exactly why we refunded players (this is important to note as we would not have done so if this was not the case) Our actions have therefore confirmed this.
Our terms and conditions did not cover us for this event and that is why we have since amended them.
VP Operations
Fortune Lounge
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| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2007, 6:27 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Noted that you acknowledge that confiscating winnings for "bonus abuse" is incorrect. Settling debts doesn't answer the question, since I was after your opinion.
Anyway, to put this matter completely to bed and to not leave any stones unturned (that I can currently think of), is this correct?
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Q: So the question is: did these players, who backed red or black, or player or banker, or whatever other game were allowed in your terms and conditions, and who cashed out their bonus-accrued winnings legitimately, commit any illegal act that entitled you to revoke their winnings?
A: No, they did not.
Q: If roulette or baccarat bets were not against the rules, were you entitled to revoke their winnings on the basis of these players playing these games?
A: No, we were not.
Q: Do you consider that your definition of "bonus abuse", ie. players playing strictly to profit from the bonus but committing no illega... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FortuneLounge at July 27, 2007, 4:55 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
There are no such casinos. You have free rein to do as you choose with player funds and tell them as much or little as you want. It's entirely your choice, and if players continue to patronise casinos that behave thus, that is THEIR choice. You are not "out of sync" with the industry - it is industry norm to not tell players why they have had their winnings confiscated. You are entirely in sync with this industry standard.
I think that answers your question - though why I am expected to first answer questions when asking you to account for your behaviour is a mystery to me. But whatever.
So, having said that, I'll remind you:
So having done that, again:
These are simple enough questions, both essentially the same, and they can both be answered in one word. If you shilly-shally with more "agenda" nonsense - and I can have no agenda as I have no financial stake ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2007, 4:14 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge
I will gladly deal with these issues if you deal with these I posed to you:
"We are not going to disclose details or how we detect these issues as it provides an avenue for fraudsters to circumvent our detection processes. I cannot think of any other casino that does that or that is prepared to do so. If you know of any please let the forum know. " So please name these casinos who are prepared to do this. You keep on attacking us about that. If we are then SO out of sync with the rest of the industry, why can you not list those casinos here ? You do that and I will deal with this issue (which, by the way, has been dealt with ad nauseum)
There are no such casinos. You have free rein to do as you choose with player funds and tell them as much or little as you want. It's entirely your choice, and if players continue to patronise casinos that behave thus, that is THEIR choice. You are not "out of sync" with t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FortuneLounge at July 27, 2007, 3:40 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
So I will repeat:
I challenge Fortune Lounge to address these questions.
I will gladly deal with these issues if you deal with these I posed to you:
"We are not going to disclose details or how we detect these issues as it provides an avenue for fraudsters to circumvent our detection processes. I cannot think of any other casino that does that or that is prepared to do so. If you know of any please let the forum know. " So please name these casinos who are prepared to do this. You keep on attacking us about that. If we are then SO out of sync with the rest of the industry, why can you not list those casinos here ? You do that and I will deal with this issue (which, by the way, has been dealt with ad nauseum)
"If there was no bias against us, maybe Caruso should have posted here, after reading the full thread on CM to inform posters that the player complaint he refers to in his ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2007, 2:59 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
So I will repeat:
Quote:
So the question is: did these players, who backed red or black, or player or banker, or whatever other game were allowed in your terms and conditions, and who cashed out their bonus-accrued winnings legitimately, commit any illegal act that entitled you to revoke their winnings? If roulette or baccarat bets were not against the rules, were you entitled to revoke their winnings on the basis of these players playing these games?
Do you consider that your definition of "bonus abuse", ie. players playing strictly to profit from the bonus but committing no illegal act in so doing, is fair, and citable as a fair reason to confiscate their winnings?
I challenge Fortune Lounge to address these questions.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2007, 2:55 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA
Sorry to intrude, but is anyone actually paying attention to posted problem?
I simply picked up on the more important issue, didn't even think about which thread this was. At the end of the day it's about Fortune Lounge. Seems as good a place as any to discuss any matter pertaining to them.
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This is one of the ery few casinos that care enough to try to come to the message boards to deal with players!..
They also care enough to confiscate winnings based on evidence they refuse to disclose and on play which breaks no rules but loses them money; I don't think this is exactly a group to hold up as "caring" in any shape or form - somewhat the reverse. There are plenty of casinos - and a couple of Microgamings, the 32Red trio - which don't pull this nonsense. Why anyone feels the need to patronise groups that behave like this is a mystery to me.
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| Posted by: joeyl at July 26, 2007, 11:40 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
I'm talking about punishing people without telling them what they've done wrong.
GM's talking about in a court of law, they'd not only have to say what the charge is, but show the evidence.
Caruso has an example. The difference between multiple accounts and alleged bonus abuse.
The specific complaint is probably sorted, because help was offered, but not taken. IMO the punter was therefore likely guilty of something nefarious, or fell off his chair, or has no internet access..
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| Posted by: The_CPA at July 26, 2007, 7:23 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry to intrude, but is anyone actually paying attention to posted problem?
This thread isn't about the old roulette debacle which as far as I know has been resolved. If there are anymore legit complaints on that left unresolved, please feel free to email me and I'll personally look into it for you.
Nuff said on that, so lets look at this shakeracer's post.
He's made two posts total here on this forum, both in this thread.
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Fortune Lounge makes the following request and comment.
On June/11/2007
shakeracer: Please mail me with your details so I can have a look at what happened with your account.
On July/23/2007
Despite my request for shakeracer's details on 11/06/07, I have not received any information and can therefore not comment on this issue.
Come on people! This joker posts all this B.S. over a month ago, and is respected enough that the V.P. of Fortune comes here to help him out, and WA-LA, he evap... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at July 26, 2007, 1:19 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
OK, here we are. Cutting to the chase:
Quote: Originally Posted by Fortune Lounge
Due to a recent account audit, our Player Security found your game play to be promotion abusive. This was due to a breach in the Casino terms and conditions. Due to this breach in the Casino terms and conditions, your account will remain locked and your withdrawals will not be processed to you
We have reviewed your Fortune Lounge Accounts and see that you have made the minimum purchase to receive the maximum sign up bonus. We also see that you only made use of French Roulette and Baccarat to meet the wagering requirements for the bonus.
Your play on French Roulette was based on wagering on Black or Red.
Wagering on Black or Red will result in no loss or win for either the Player or the Casino.
The main outcome is the increased wagering, meeting the wagering required on the bonus money with no change to the balance, (unless a Zero is landed).
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| Posted by: caruso at July 26, 2007, 12:30 pm | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
I made a mistake above, I meant to say "This is the second pop taken on his moderator status", without "he's", which suggested you had taken two, which is incorrect.
The question I was referring to was the "suspicious wagering" one. I'll dig up some references on that.
The court of law question, OK, now you've answered it. Yes, you and any other casino can get away with anything when there is no regulatory regime that anyone answers to. To answer such a question with "But it isn't a court of law and we are as such entitled to behave with as much irresponsibility as we choose" - which is the clear implication - doesn't seem to be a statement or a concept that any responsible organisation wants to associate itself with.
If you were under Alderney or Isle Of Man, although these regimes have never been tested and as such I cannot say for absolute certain, as governmental bodies I highly doubt you would be able to get away with not disc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FortuneLounge at July 26, 2007, 7:43 am | | Topic: Fortune Lounge Scam Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
This is the second pop he's taken on his moderator status when commenting on eCOGRA matters. It's noted that rather than answer the two questions posed, you chose a personal attack. You might want to rethink this.
I believe GM answers to Max. He doesn't answer to online casino reps.
The moderator of a casino forum is not required by definition to sell out to the casino industry. While this may be the case at other boards in which you participate, it isn't the case here and it certainly isn't a "rule" of casino fora. We are all entitled to offer opinions and ask questions freely. The "moderator" will ensure it's all done within reasonable bounds of politeness.
My posting did not even reply to the eCOGRA comment so he is not taking a pop from me on that. If you feel this was a personal attack on GrandMaster, I am not surprised given your history of attacks on us. It was not an attack. It was a reminder ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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