| Posted by: caruso at February 12, 2008, 4:38 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
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Phone is working again - I phoned after reading Bailey's announcement that he'd heard something.
Apparently all affected parties are going to hear something tomorrow, according to Geoff Sheehan who I just spoke to. He says he's bound by a confidentiality agreement with Trustbond Services and cannot give details, nor does he have specifics such as who may or may not get what. The casino database is still active despite the software being down, and all account details are intact. Trustbond Services is the Cyprus-based money behind the operation. Obvious enough really, as all credits and debits were posted as such in Neteller.
We'll see.
So I thought, OK, let's see what Google can tell me about this operation. So I Googled "Trustbond Services".
Brought up my article in the number one spot.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...le+Search&meta=
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| Posted by: caruso at February 12, 2008, 4:32 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Phone is working again - I phoned after reading Bailey's announcement that he'd heard something.
Apparently all affected parties are going to hear something tomorrow, according to Geoff Sheehan who I just spoke to. He says he's bound by a confidentiality agreement with Trustbond Services and cannot give details, nor does he have specifics such as who may or may not get what. The casino database is still active despite the software being down, and all account details are intact. Trustbond Services is the Cypress-based money behind the operation. Obvious enough really, as all credits and debits were posted as such in Neteller.
We'll see.
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| Posted by: caruso at January 6, 2008, 5:05 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
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Geoff Sheehan
Four Monkeys Pty Ltd
geoff@fourmonkeys.com.au
+617 5580 5810
"For HippoJo our company will be doing the operations, marketing, affiliate and advertiser management, as well as the call centre and payments processing."
Kelly Signell - Director, Trustbond Services Limited, Cyprus. This company holds the ownership of the casino although the investors are Aussies.
kelly.signell@gmail.com
They did everything apart from provide the cash. So they effectivey winged it scott free, with no liabilities.
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| Posted by: caruso at January 6, 2008, 5:03 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
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Well, there are over 10,000 iews to this thread. How would you suggest it not occur again?
By Bailey and Cullingworth not issuing glowing recommendations of RTGs they have no business recommending. Of course, a buck's a buck and I don't suppose this'll be the last buck taken by Infopowa to pimp a rogue operation, but that's one surefire way to not see this happen again. These were unique circumstances.
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Could it be that RTG can only terminate a contract under certain conditions? You guys that know the history of closures by RTG could probably hypothosize the conditions. Of course it could just be that they jerk the license when they stop getting their fees, and not before.
The product is RTGs, and RTG can do whatever they want within the bounds of their agreement. The agreement obviously states that non payment of fees will result in termination of agreement.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 6, 2008, 12:06 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
That's all nice to know stuff Larrybob.
As a player though, I am not interested in operational difficulties, any more than casino X is interested in who pays my electric bill if I lose all my money gambling.
All I know for a fact:
# Too many times players have been turned over by RTG powered casinos.
Well, there are over 10,000 iews to this thread. How would you suggest it not occur again?
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 5, 2008, 4:13 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Could it be that RTG can only terminate a contract under certain conditions? You guys that know the history of closures by RTG could probably hypothosize the conditions. Of course it could just be that they jerk the license when they stop getting their fees, and not before.
Where do the failed operators go and do they ever speak, or are they under some kind of non-disclosure agreements.
Can someone fill me in on hippo management history and stick to the points? I thought I read in here where they had failed casinos in their past? If so, was it an RTG casino or did I imagine this? Were the turtle people actually the owners or just marketing and support?
I wonder if they'll talk about the mysterious RTG when the dust clears.
It's hard for me to 'boycott' all RTG casinos as there are a few that are topnotch in my experience. I wonder how much of my throughput or losses go to RTG itself? I also wonder why the few good casinos don't get together and buy the software to bri... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at January 5, 2008, 8:08 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
I just wanted to comment on this, since I can't comment at the source:
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Well, it DOES show that all the other rogue RTG casinos operate with the blessing of RTG, as if RTG can shut this one down, they could exercise the same sanction against Virtual and others, that have robbed players of far more than HippoJo, and continue to do so.
This goes against the "excuse" that these others operate because RTG has a "hands off policy (what us? - we just supply the software)", they can, and will, act when they want to.
No no no no. RTG has pulled the plug several times on operators, this being the most recent. The reason the plug is pulled is because the operator is no longer paying the license fee.
RTG will allow any casino to run while it pays the license fee, as Virtual et al do. RTG will pull the license when the license fee is no longer being paid. RTG will not pull a license under any other circumstances, and that th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at January 3, 2008, 4:35 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Sirius
Have I missed something or are we still waiting for JetSet and Casinomeister to explain their involvement which was evident in Jetset's original 'News' story? The story was plainly paid for. Of course, this is how it happens with publishers just interested in getting bigger, but it doesn't mean it's independent or correct.
You're almost certainly correct. Obviously an announcement for a new casino on a big site has immense profit potential (as it turned out), and it would be ludicrous to think such alue would be offered for free. I would love to know what Jetset and Bailey got out of this - then they could divide it propotionately amongst those of us who fell for their con.
I hope people see this pair for what they are now. It wouldn't be worth the money we've collectively lost, but it would certainly help.
EDIT: Bailey got the jump on me - he'd already announced this before I tried to log in yesterday and got the "... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: eek at January 3, 2008, 3:23 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Which is something else you've got to take into consideration.
Northern Cyprus, for example, has no extradition treaties with anyone because it's not recognised by the international community.
So that's the kind of place you go to if you're a naughty boy, or a ery ery naughty boy, and you want to stay out of the reach of the authorities no matter what you've done in the past.
All part of the free market.
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| Posted by: Sirius at January 3, 2008, 2:00 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Just to mention that Casinomeister has told me in the past in an email that he has to be careful with blacklisting sites as he has been threatened by some groups (he wouldn't say which but I don't think he meant a legal threat and I have no idea which groups he meant so not suggesting this group- my point is that he told me he has to be careful due to certain 'dodgy operators' he wouldn't mention). This was just in an email years ago about why he hadn't blacklisted certain casinos.
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| Posted by: Sirius at January 3, 2008, 1:25 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
It looks like he lifted it from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1806860,00.html but it seemed only one gambling site who also reported on this story (not based on Jetset's) mentioned the player complaints. Look at this thread though: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...lace-ipo-3.html Casinomeister obviously thought it wasn't something to discuss! That thread links to this one too: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...asinos-ipo.html which points to lots of threads that were removed by Casinomeister.
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| Posted by: Sirius at January 3, 2008, 12:29 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Larrybob
Looks like 99% no hope now... hold out for a miracle?
I'm not sure about that. Have I missed something or are we still waiting for JetSet and Casinomeister to explain their involvement which was evident in Jetset's original 'News' story? The story was plainly paid for. Of course, this is how it happens with publishers just interested in getting bigger, but it doesn't mean it's independent or correct. It happens all the time in publishing (the advertiser and publisher basically patting each other's backs for their own gain- I wouldn't be surprised if the Casinomeister awards are done in a similar way). You might as well ignore any news from Jetset as he clearly runs it just like a large publisher that gets paid by the advertiser to write what the advertiser wants and censor anything bad about it. That is not independent news. I remember commenting on this message board when I noticed a positive story he'd run on the W. Cloud casinos which failed t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at December 23, 2007, 5:45 am | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Larrybob
Hippo is another story - i don't have inside info there, but it is easy to imagine what happened to a potentially awesome rtg (their first mistake) I imagine it was 'advantage' players, but too bad for hippojo if he wasn't capatilized for the market. (actually too bad for the lay-your-money-down players if they don't make it) but again, I think they will. I've read your analysis, etc. How hard is it to think outside the box and have a casino operating with no web presence? Sounds like a casino that plans to HEAL no matter what.
I've been upbeat about the Hippojo situation, only to be disappointed, too many times to be particularly inclined to continue the trend now. That said, I make the same hypotheses and draw the same conclusions.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at December 22, 2007, 7:48 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
You name it then. Self regulation clearly does not work. I'm not a fan of lunatics running the asylums.
Perhaps you trust your govt or regulatory officials (current or imagined) more than I? I think that if there were a true exchange of information <unsullied and and bridaled> we could 'police' ourselves by market forces alone. Sure, there are the people who want to hold on to the old days, but there are pioneers as well.
where is the true place for a groundswell revolution?
prolly not here = crypto
prolly not ocr = mg
prolly not cm =.. hmmm maybe so, at least there is an audience
it sure as hell isn't at d.com and it sure as hell is not in the house of parliament and it sure as gds hell is not in the us house of congress... it is in the passion of the PLAYER!!! And in the passion of the provider to assure a fair game, and in the alleyways and poker rooms across the globe. It's our fight dammit, not there's. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Larrybob at December 22, 2007, 6:36 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl
Software suppliers collecting royalties from casinos confiscating winnings based upon spurious reasoning.
I would like to see how many punters have their winning confiscated, by tallying the amount won ersus amount paid column in the audits.
That's the thing. Crypto don't garner complaints, and provide this space for other firms bad practises to be highlighted.
Much classier than Micro, with their bonus abuse licensees, white label programme and the paid for independant payout %age auditor and spin machine called Ecogra.
I hear ya, expound more? How could this be done... i hope we aren't going toward the thought of governmental auditing and regulation.. there must be a better way.
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| Posted by: joeyl at December 22, 2007, 6:34 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Software suppliers collecting royalties from casinos confiscating winnings based upon spurious reasoning.
I would like to see how many punters have their winning confiscated, by tallying the amount won ersus amount paid column in the audits.
That's the thing. Crypto don't garner complaints, and provide this space for other firms bad practises to be highlighted.
Much classier than Micro, with their bonus abuse licensees, white label programme and the paid for independant payout %age auditor and spin machine called Ecogra.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at December 22, 2007, 3:54 pm | | Topic: HIPPOJO (RTG): no payments for several weeks, and no sign of payments restarting Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I think you miss the point about why they pulled it in the first place. RTG caters to rogues, who make money. It's much easier and more profitable for RTG to leave their rogue clientele to go about their business of robbery than to try and clean them up.
That must have been a mess.
Maybe rogues gravitate toward licenses that they don't have to answer to... or maybe you're right, as long as rtg (whomever the hell that may actually be these days... do you know? I don't) get's their percentage, they simply don't give a ****.
That's what bothers me about depositing at ANY RTG casino, good or bad... the money still goes to somebody.
I guess it comes down to the old argument of whether ford mc is responsible for the acts of their car dealers, bla bla bla...but actually if RTG makes money from good casinos as well as bad casinos, then losing money at a 'good' rtg feeds the mothership, who supports the rogue. so **** rtg and the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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