| Posted by: Larrybob at February 11, 2008, 4:43 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Were I to gamble on line and planned to claim all my winnings and losses per US tax law, and lived in a state where it was neither a misdemeanor nor felony to do so, and I had a legal opinion to rely on, I would contact a couple of reputable casinos for their suggestions on depositing and withdrawing.
You could start here http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Law-Summary/
unless you are aware of an opinion by your state's Attorney General in re the legality of online gaming.
The US Dept. of Justice is of the opinion that all online gaming is illegal per the wire act, yet they have no case law to support that opinion.
Some lawyers agree with the DOJ http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/
Some disagree http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/Archives/
To date, to the best of my knowledge, no US citizen has ever been successfully prosecuted under federal law for online casino gaming, only sportsbetting.
Good luck
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| Posted by: bobc127 at February 10, 2008, 10:26 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
I'm also a US player from Arkansas wanting to play on line casinos. It appears that Inetbet is accepting US players. It's been suggested that Inetbet is reliable. Biggest problem is deposit system which can be reliable. Need to know the ins and outs, so as to avoid trouble. I do plan on reporting income and losses, and want to stay as legit as possible. Would appreciate any and all information possible from other US players. Thanks.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 29, 2008, 10:43 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
It does get a bit complicated, eek. Casinos as merchants have a code for transactions and the code 7995 will block most bank debit cards as well as credit cards issued to US players.
Prepaid cards... some work, some don't. Some work sometimes, some don't. It's a real pain in the butt to stay on top of the options.
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| Posted by: eek at January 29, 2008, 10:23 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
I seem to recall that credit card case where this lady with $50k of CC debt, which were gambling losses, got her money back because CC companies arent allowed to engage in internet gambling.
CC companies pulled the plug after that.
A prepaid card on the other hand is just a cash wallet, as far as I know at the moment there appears to be no liability.
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| Posted by: caruso at January 29, 2008, 6:18 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
OK, I get it. Microgaming is NOT a publically held company. As such, they are simply allowing themselves greater leniency. I think that's it.
I still find it odd that they don't deal to ALL US citizens, given that the above is correct.
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I don't reacll the opinion or policy that allows the USDOJ to prosecute offshore... it had something to do with immenant danger and preceeds the patriot act.
Was it not "aiding and abetting"?
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| Posted by: Mousey at January 29, 2008, 2:49 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
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OK. NT were opportunistically prosecuted for infringing the Wire Act, not the UIGEA. Is this relevant to the Wire Act but not the UIGEA? I don't understand it either way. By "offshore corp" etc, I take you to mean they are outside US jurisdiction; this is obviously logical, but then how can the US have had any jurisdiction over them in the Wire Act?
We had hostages -- the NETeller Two -- which were never brought to trial by the way, so the DOJ 'won' by their usual methods. Intimidate, coerce, extort. Seems if they get the money in the end, they're happy.
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 28, 2008, 8:33 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
OK. NT were opportunistically prosecuted for infringing the Wire Act, not the UIGEA. I didn't realise that.
You said:
Is this relevant to the Wire Act but not the UIGEA? I don't understand it either way. By "offshore corp" etc, I take you to mean they are outside US jurisdiction; this is obviously logical, but then how can the US have had any jurisdiction over them in the Wire Act?
What is the specific reason that Microgaming still deals to certain US states, but Playtech / Crypto does not? I got what you said about misdemeanour ersus felony (even if I don't understand the practical difference), but I struggle to see how the one may allow something that the other doesn't.
As I see it:
The UIGEA said that it is illegal to broker financial transactions between ALL US citizens and offshore gambling ops. Cryptologic fully applies this on behalf of its customers' financial processors. Microgaming applies it s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at January 28, 2008, 3:03 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
OK. NT were opportunistically prosecuted for infringing the Wire Act, not the UIGEA. I didn't realise that.
You said:
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They are an offshore corporation and not subject to even the widest interpretaion of the 'doctrine' of immenant danger to the citizens or security of state.
Is this relevant to the Wire Act but not the UIGEA? I don't understand it either way. By "offshore corp" etc, I take you to mean they are outside US jurisdiction; this is obviously logical, but then how can the US have had any jurisdiction over them in the Wire Act?
What is the specific reason that Microgaming still deals to certain US states, but Playtech / Crypto does not? I got what you said about misdemeanour ersus felony (even if I don't understand the practical difference), but I struggle to see how the one may allow something that the other doesn't.
As I see it:
The UIGEA said that it is illegal to broker financial transact... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Larrybob at January 27, 2008, 11:53 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I've never been clear on this, but your post above has helped a lot.
Right. The UIGEA makes illegal the brokering of financial transactions between US consumers and offshore gamblng operations. If (eg) Neteller allows you to send money to a casino, they break the law.
How is it that the financial transaction between ANY US consumer and an online casino is not illegal? I have never understood this. Why can Microgaming pick and choose, where Cryptologic and Playtech cannot? Why are Microgaming above the laws that apply to equally to Crypto and Playtech?
forgive my keyboard, I'm not at home.
No, nlr never broke the law uinder the uigea. They are an offshore corporation and not subject to even the widest interpretaion of the 'doctrine' of immenant danger to the citizens or security of state.. The principles were to be prosecuted for sportsbetting/money laundering that occured several years previous to the new law. It was a 's... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at January 26, 2008, 8:06 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
I've never been clear on this, but your post above has helped a lot.
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11 states have felony laws against online casino games, and several others have misdemeanor statutes. Microgaming (except intertops who uses a different backend financial system) do not allow players from the 'dirty eleven'.
Right. The UIGEA makes illegal the brokering of financial transactions between US consumers and offshore gamblng operations. If (eg) Neteller allows you to send money to a casino, they break the law.
How is it that the financial transaction between ANY US consumer and an online casino is not illegal? I have never understood this. Why can Microgaming pick and choose, where Cryptologic and Playtech cannot? Why are Microgaming above the laws that apply to equally to Crypto and Playtech?
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 25, 2008, 10:50 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Actually, good point - how do US players deposit? I have no idea, am curious to know. What financial instrument allows US folk to break the law? I've ticked them all off and drawn a blank.
There are four or five iable options for depositing and at least three for withdrawing.
US players only break federal law when they do sportsbetting. The UIGEA did not change or modify any existing laws, and does not apply to 'consumers'. It may apply to affiliates, as they are arguably 'engaged in the business of gambling'; opinions ary on that issue.
11 states have felony laws against online casino games, and several others have misdemeanor statutes. Microgaming (except intertops who uses a different backend financial system) do not allow players from the 'dirty eleven'.
Opinions also ary on casino gambling. The US DOJ is of the opinion that all online gambling is illegal but there is only one minor case that would support that opinio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at January 25, 2008, 7:17 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
First call the casinos, they might tell you.
Dont want to say in the open, but i seen a few people say it in the open.
Some prepaid cards work and one way is hard to stop. I email and told him
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| Posted by: caruso at January 25, 2008, 4:48 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dlnp22
All the deposit methods(C2P,neteller, moneybookers, you name it) don't allow US players transact.
Actually, good point - how do US players deposit? I have no idea, am curious to know. What financial instrument allows US folk to break the law? I've ticked them all off and drawn a blank.
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| Posted by: Bethug at January 24, 2008, 10:25 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
he didnt ask about no systam, so why you guys going way off topic.
he ask where a us player can play black jack at.
5dimes
inetbet
wagerstreet
Bookmaker
all of the above paid me 4 to 5 figures no problem. Three of them for sure has a lot of money and not going belly up no time soon
If you new I would test out which software you like
realtime gaming, micro gaming and 5dimes and bookmaker use the same casino software, which i forgot what it is.
try it out in fun mode, call the casinos ask about how to depoist and withdrawal. Make sure the address you give is the same address you have on a bill, phone, gas etc, cut down on problems when you try and withdrawal your cash.
gamesandcasino and onlineplayersunion both will help you if you have problems getting your cash.
Do your research on this site or ask caurso or me
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 24, 2008, 8:58 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by BingoT
Oh come on You can tell them about the book we both have.
"How To Win All The Money You Want" for $29.95
Yip, we could help him solve all his money problems forever; simply send us all your money - No money? No problems!
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| Posted by: dlnp22 at January 24, 2008, 7:00 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Ok..now that I've decided I want to play for money........{grin}....I can't figure out HOW to in the casino's who still accept US players.
All the deposit methods(C2P,neteller, moneybookers, you name it) don't allow US players transact.
Any good ideas ladies and gents, for a n00bie in need?
Thanks again!
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| Posted by: BingoT at January 24, 2008, 5:46 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Larrybob
I'll tell you which 'systems' to use... NONE!!!
Oh come on You can tell them about the book we both have.
"How To Win All The Money You Want" for $29.95
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| Posted by: dlnp22 at January 24, 2008, 2:51 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethug
dlnp22, I am a American and a player
your best place is to ask here or the union
5 dimes
wagerstreet
inetbet
all take american money and will pay real fast, should say the first two.
wagerstreet is owned by the people behind betjamica, which has mad money.
Feel Free to ask a american that plays, also there nothing wrong asking a webmaster/affiliate owner, there a few good ones.
But you did the right thing coming here.
The two casinos that caruso name dont take Americans.
Betcris sister site does bookmaker does.
Also if you want contact me. I have drop over 100000 in to online casinos so I know just about where to play
Tried pm'ing you...wont' let me- maybe because I just signed up too recently? In any case- please email me at realest8nate@yahoo.com when you have a moment- much appreciated!
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| Posted by: Larrybob at January 24, 2008, 2:18 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
I'll get tarred for this, maybe feathered but if you are not going to use bonuses, lucky nugget will provide live dealers for bj, roulette, and four kinds of baccarat.
If you are in one of the 11 states that it is illegal to play casino games online (online sportsbetting is a federal offense in all 50 states) you can play Microgaming at intertops - one of the oldest online casinos (sportsbook, whatever) or at 3Dice, one of the newest. Table limits are not high @3Dice though, but the games are fair, the customer service is beyond reproach, and the payouts are fast, even for we Yanks.
inetbet, clubworld, egascasinoonline for RTG software.
If you are going to use the bonus schemes (attempt to make the games mathematically positive expectation) you're opening a whole new can of worms and best start out low-rolling and spend a month or two studying the forums and always read the terms and conditions before you deposit, and again before you play. (not just when you download).
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| Posted by: caruso at January 24, 2008, 11:00 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
Please do not tar all affiliates with the same brush.
I had you exactly in mind as one of the handful who'd be popping up with their affiliate sites to ram into this newbie's face.
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Some of us are habitual gamblers ourselves and are not in the habit of promoting rogue operators, but instead only provide info on reputable sites which we would or do happily play at ourselves.
I didn't say anything about any possible "rogue operations" you might list, I referenced your financial motives. If you read what I posted, you'll see I hit the mark.
To the poster: I would stick with Damian's US casino recommendations in this instance. Sorry about the red herring I posted.
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| Posted by: BingoT at January 24, 2008, 9:39 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I also heartily suggest that you avoid any of the affiliate sites from the handful of people who will reply here and push their site at you. They'll be after one thing - a commission slice from your losses, and your mention of high bets makes you a ery tempting lamb for fleecing.
And I also have to agree with KK
Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
Please do not tar all affiliates with the same brush.
Some of us are habitual gamblers ourselves and are not in the habit of promoting rogue operators, but instead only provide info on reputable sites which we would or do happily play at ourselves.
Because you do have affiliates that you can trust.And you do have many that look for one thing.I say don't put the good one's in the bad bushel of apples.
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| Posted by: KasinoKing at January 24, 2008, 9:25 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I also heartily suggest that you avoid any of the affiliate sites from the handful of people who will reply here and push their site at you. They'll be after one thing - a commission slice from your losses, and your mention of high bets makes you a ery tempting lamb for fleecing.
Please do not tar all affiliates with the same brush.
Some of us are habitual gamblers ourselves and are not in the habit of promoting rogue operators, but instead only provide info on reputable sites which we would or do happily play at ourselves.
To the OP:
I'm not sure about high-level bets myself as I'm only a low roller, but I'm sure caruso's advise on this aspect of his post is sound on this occasion.
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| Posted by: BingoT at January 24, 2008, 7:15 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover
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| Posted by: Bethug at January 24, 2008, 7:10 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
dlnp22, I am a American and a player
your best place is to ask here or the union
5 dimes
wagerstreet
inetbet
all take american money and will pay real fast, should say the first two.
wagerstreet is owned by the people behind betjamica, which has mad money.
Feel Free to ask a american that plays, also there nothing wrong asking a webmaster/affiliate owner, there a few good ones.
But you did the right thing coming here.
The two casinos that caruso name dont take Americans.
Betcris sister site does bookmaker does.
Also if you want contact me. I have drop over 100000 in to online casinos so I know just about where to play
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| Posted by: dlnp22 at January 24, 2008, 6:40 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
Canbet - http://www.canbet.com/site/casino/
Betcris - http://www.betcris.com/casino.aspx
Both are big sportsbooks with big reputations. Canbet uses RTG download software, but the BJ software is probably more slick than BetCris. RTGs should generally be avoided, but Canbet has been a top-notch sports book for years.
I suspect that Cris offers huge limits, if no download software.
I also heartily suggest that you avoid any of the affiliate sites from the handful of people who will reply here and push their site at you. They'll be after one thing - a commission slice from your losses, and your mention of high bets makes you a ery tempting lamb for fleecing.
You can get genuine information about a lot of US sportsbooks, including Canbet and Cris, from SBR -
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Rat...s+/default.aspx
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| Posted by: caruso at January 24, 2008, 5:22 am | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Canbet - http://www.canbet.com/site/casino/
Betcris - http://www.betcris.com/casino.aspx
Both are big sportsbooks with big reputations. Canbet uses RTG download software, but the BJ software is probably more slick than BetCris. RTGs should generally be avoided, but Canbet has been a top-notch sports book for years.
I suspect that Cris offers huge limits, if no download software.
I also heartily suggest that you avoid any of the affiliate sites from the handful of people who will reply here and push their site at you. They'll be after one thing - a commission slice from your losses, and your mention of high bets makes you a ery tempting lamb for fleecing.
You can get genuine information about a lot of US sportsbooks, including Canbet and Cris, from SBR -
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Rat...s+/default.aspx
Please avoid all Microgaming casinos. Those who still offer US play are rogues.
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| Posted by: dlnp22 at January 23, 2008, 7:08 pm | | Topic: US player with specific need Forum: Winner Online |
Hello all! First and foremost, I am NOT just another of the dreaded n00bs who sign up to ask one question and disappear, promise!
I just started playing online(so far, for fun!), and found this website just the other day.
I DO have a couple questions right out of the gate, though, so I appreciate everyone's patience!
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- I am looking for a REPUTABLE online casino that accepts US players, big hurdle, I know- I know there are some ery shady companies.
- I would like HIGH max bets on games like blackjack, roulette and craps
- I would LOVE to find live tables for these games
- And a large fry
In all seriousness, I'm absolutely overwhelmed with the info I found using a search- I'd love someone to point me to at least one online casino who meet's some of these characteristics....
Thank you all in advance!
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