| Posted by: Moonshooter at March 12, 2006, 1:41 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Since my last post, i've been to the casino another 3 times and i've won those three times (215, 60, 240) using my 'betting system' in blackjack (overall i'm 180 up in casino gambling). My friend is so amazed to see my results (always winnin the big bets) that he wants to 'invest' and pay me to play with his money. That would be fun, playin for nothing (with commision of course)!
In spite of those results, after reading arious articles in www.wizardofodds.com (excellent site about gambling in general, but focused on casino) i do understand that gambling systems will never work in the long run. I see mine as a compressed Martingale system, which lets me stay away from my bankroll limit. So all up i'm having a great time gambling, and the best thing is that i probably won't have to use my money anymore.
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| Posted by: Fish at February 12, 2006, 6:19 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
There's a guy at work who swears by BlackJack....
They use 4-6 deck shoes up here....
He claims that card counting can sway his % to his favour by 2 %.
He doens't keep records, but claims he is a consistent winner.....
No matter how much I try and explain the math to him, he just won't accept reality.
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| Posted by: shwingzilla at February 8, 2006, 9:50 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by gjshand
Found this after you started me thinking, i play a lot at the casino while i'm waiting for the poker to start and this site made good reading.
http://www.saliu.com/blackjack.html
"If you play longer sessions at the blackjack table, for example, you will face a higher probability of some ery long losing streaks. But play shorter sessions, and there is a far better chance that you'll escape with shorter losing streaks. Recommended to play blackjack more aggressively at the beginning of short sessions." - I just got stupider reading this. If you want to decrease ariance, why play a game of chance? Why not just play 50 cent blackjack? Then you'll lose practically nothing at all!
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| Posted by: shwingzilla at February 8, 2006, 9:34 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Styrofoam
The only way to get an edge is to be a mathmatitian and count cards to the extreme. I hear that an accurate "real count" lowers the house advantage by .5% for each +1 you get. So, if a table goes into +6 you've got a big advantage to win. I'm no card counting genius, but i've seen my fair share of people who are. Besides, I've seen the TV show "Numbers" and they had an episode about Card counting...very simple, but complex system. Anyhow... if you are GOOD at counting cards, and know the system well enough, you can walk away a consistant winner.
And then you get kicked out of the casino, and maybe blacklisted. They can't prosecute you for card counting, but if they want to they can keep you out of any major casino for the rest of your life. With VERY few exceptions, the casino always wins.
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| Posted by: Moonshooter at February 7, 2006, 10:12 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Count DeMoney
Did you play in a game with a shoe (4 or more decks)? If so this system may have something to it. Counters for years have (as a team) tracked clumps of favorable and negative cards and altered bets as the clumps appeared. I read a book on this and actually used this at the Rio once and had some success. Your strategy of waiting for a winning streak may actually cause you to increase your bets when a favorable clump comes out.
Actually the casino i play at does. At the star city website, blackjack page, it says the game is played with either 4, 6 or 8 decks. I'm sure it's mostly played with eight decks though, as it increases the casino's edge. And about the clumps, yeh i had thought about it before. Especially when they open the shoe when a card gets stuck or wrecked, you can see how there's all these different groups of cards separated by plastic things. And obviously, you can also tell that before they put the cards back into the shoe... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ruzzy1 at February 4, 2006, 6:41 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
i got an invite to play in a free entry blackjack tourney at foxwoods, was alot of fun . it is run like a triple shootout , final table cashes. first place gets 5K . every round is dealt 25 hands and who ever has the most chips at the end advances. i took home the 5K , and luck definely helps.
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| Posted by: Styrofoam at February 4, 2006, 4:23 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
The only way to get an edge is to be a mathmatitian and count cards to the extreme. I hear that an accurate "real count" lowers the house advantage by .5% for each +1 you get. So, if a table goes into +6 you've got a big advantage to win. I'm no card counting genius, but i've seen my fair share of people who are. Besides, I've seen the TV show "Numbers" and they had an episode about Card counting...very simple, but complex system. Anyhow... if you are GOOD at counting cards, and know the system well enough, you can walk away a consistant winner. No other system works..none. The house has an advantage at all times. Its just like those Slot machines that pay out 99% of what they get in....they win 1% in the long run, and make money.
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| Posted by: Kj Sexton at February 4, 2006, 1:23 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
The only time you'll catch me playing blackjack online is for those free $500 and you get whatever you make ontop of it for the first hour, even so those usually don't work well. It's amazing how many times you'll get 20 and the dealer gets 5 running cards for 21. Rigged to the fullest'
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| Posted by: DADPAPA at February 4, 2006, 8:50 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
The best Blackjack Strategy that I will give out is DONT PLAY IT, stick to Holdem, In your case I see they dont have a room for it... but then I would stay home and play holdem online...
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| Posted by: ruzzy1 at February 3, 2006, 8:09 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
i made about 35,000 playing blackjack at a casino in the last 3 years and i almost never go . the one thing i will sugest is like said before dont play blackjack online .
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| Posted by: gjshand at February 1, 2006, 11:23 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Found this after you started me thinking, i play a lot at the casino while i'm waiting for the poker to start and this site made good reading.
http://www.saliu.com/blackjack.html
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at February 1, 2006, 6:44 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
LOL I love it. I just wanted to add...I know a guy who made over $30,000 playing blackjack last year alone. How can this be???
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at February 1, 2006, 6:20 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
You really don't get it do you? Let's take your win% as 48 seeing as you've used that, and summarise this absolutely basically (not accounting for doubles/splits/insurance/whatever seeing as you ignored them previously).
P(Win hand) = 0.48
P(Lose hand) = 0.52
We ignore the chance of a push as your return is $0.
You bet $x, so 48% of the time you will end up with a profit of $x, and 52% of the time you will end up with a loss of $x
Expected net $ = (0.48*x)-(0.52*x) = -0.04x.
So you are losing money on every hand. Right, what's next?
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One $3.00 win covers the next 2 bets even if they both are losers. Yes, net lose would be $1.00, but next hand is $1.00.
Ok, so you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna bet $100 then lots of $1 bets because if I win the $100 bet it covers the next 99 $1 bets! I'm conveniently going to ignore that as each individual bet is -EV then this ridiculous "system" is still -EV just because I can! I R ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Count DeMoney at February 1, 2006, 4:27 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Moonshooter
Then i wait for a win (still min. bet) which marks the end of the losing streak. So i bet double the amount or a bit more (25) the next hand, if i win i keep doing it for say another 7 hands.
Did you play in a game with a shoe (4 or more decks)? If so this system may have something to it. Counters for years have (as a team) tracked clumps of favorable and negative cards and altered bets as the clumps appeared. I read a book on this and actually used this at the Rio once and had some success. Your strategy of waiting for a winning streak may actually cause you to increase your bets when a favorable clump comes out.
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| Posted by: Moonshooter at February 1, 2006, 11:12 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Mathematically speaking its pretty hard to prove how you can get an edge in blackjack, using any betting system at all.
But, either way, i'll share mine. I just bet the min. bet (10) for a while, watch the money roll in and out, countin cards casually (basic strategy is a must). now when i hit a losing streak (five or six), i take notice of the game. Then i wait for a win (still min. bet) which marks the end of the losing streak. So i bet double the amount or a bit more (25) the next hand, if i win i keep doing it for say another 7 hands. Regardless if i lose a couple in between, the winnin streak for me is on and at the end i make a bit on top . But if i lose the 25 bet, i do a couple more 25s, and if i still lose those two more, i go hard (50 bet) and theres no stopping from there (do for the next six or seven hands, if you win them all, until you lose one). By then you would have lost 10 or 11 in a row and thats just too much. It really worked for me the only time i tried it. Went in with ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: twizzybop at February 1, 2006, 3:51 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
1st stop assuming because that makes an ass out of you and me..
Third bet (assuming first and second are lost): You are risking $9 for a less than 50% chance of a net gain of $5
Nope you have it wrong.. you are risking $3.00 on the $4.00 that you lost on the 1st and 2nd bet.... Like I said every other bet is 3X.... meaning at most you could lose is $7.00
Now since we are making asses out of ourselves.. you win 1st hand.. net of $3.00.. you lose next 2.. Net lose of only $1.00(there is your house edge).
Now assume again you win the 1st 2 hands and lose the 3rd.. Net gain of $1.00..So now lets assume after those 3 hands and that net gain of $1.00
You lose the next 2..Net lose of $3.00..So in 5 hands of Black Jack you have lost $3.00, making that on avg of .60 a hand.
Now you won't win big but you will be ahead.. You really think staying at a table that you are losing at will win you back your money? That's crazy..
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| Posted by: Count DeMoney at February 1, 2006, 12:19 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
One more thing t-fresh.
Make sure the casino pays 3-2 for blackjack NOT that 6-5 crap more and more Vegas casinos are pulling.
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| Posted by: shwingzilla at January 31, 2006, 9:46 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Bringing Down the House was an excellent book, but here's a thought on card counting - the author himself states that casinos probably wanted that book to be released, because card counting is damn difficult; most people who try it thinking they can beat the casinos will just end up losing money. And if you do make a little money, the casinos can always boot you.
Discounting a few ery lucky and ery skilled con-men, ery few people make money off the casino.
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at January 31, 2006, 8:18 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
lol?
When you bet $1, your average return is less than $1. When you bet $3, your average return is less than $3. Changing tables has no effect on long-term odds (unless you're being shafted at one table, in which case all your bets might become slightly -EV as opposed to greatly -EV.
If you mean multiplying your bet by three times after a losing bet, that's still -EV. To explain...
First bet: You risk $1 to win $1
Second bet (assuming first is lost): You risk $3 for a less than 50% chance of a net gain of $2
Third bet (assuming first and second are lost): You are risking $9 for a less than 50% chance of a net gain of $5
...and so on if you decide to continue past then. For each subsequent bet, you are getting a gradually smaller net return on the money you're investing. Of course, you could keep trebling your bet for a long time if you have the funds, but that's what casinos have maximum limits for - it isn't hard to lose a lot of blackjack hands in a row, jus... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: twizzybop at January 30, 2006, 1:59 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Without getting into splitting hands, insurance alll that good crap. A long while ago, can't remember the Poker Pro's name. However what I do remember what was said and works to any person's advantage in black jack.
For simplicity.. Your hands are bet as required.. $3.00, $1.00, $3.00, $1.00.
So every other hand is 3x the last hand bet. Now if you lose 3 hands in a row, either call it quits or change tables. It is a ery simple system and every time I use it, it works.
So yes you could lose your 1st 3 hands the second you sit down. Yet how many times is that going to happen? Just like you could win 3 hands in a row.
If you do lose 3 hands in a row, you haven't lost much of an investement.
Yet you won't lose forever by using this simple betting style and you do come out on top.
So yes there is a way to level out that 2% to your advantage without having to count cards, bet big, not bet insurance, split or otherwise. Those are just strategies one could use.
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| Posted by: tenbob at January 30, 2006, 1:29 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus
You will not "be able to come out ahead" and there is no "way around the house edge" in the long run. Blackjack is -EV, regardless of whatever wonderful 'system' you might think you have.
EXACTLY. If anyone thinks different, show me the math, proove it.....
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at January 30, 2006, 1:16 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
You will not "be able to come out ahead" and there is no "way around the house edge" in the long run. Blackjack is -EV, regardless of whatever wonderful 'system' you might think you have.
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at January 30, 2006, 1:07 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
So long as the strategy you use (i.e. hitting or standing on 16, what you do when the dealer shows 6 and under, etc.) is consistent, and you always do it, you should be able to come out ahead. But if you want the odds to work, you have to do it everytime.
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| Posted by: twizzybop at January 29, 2006, 11:01 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Well unless you are lol foolish enough to ask for hit when holding 17 or higher...but again its a slight edge..There is actually away around that edge which only requires at the most 3 hands to be played..
It isn't long term that I will admit short term.. you won't lose much and you won't gain much. Yet done over and over.. you will come out on top.
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| Posted by: tenbob at January 29, 2006, 10:54 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by twizzybop
Long term you can win on black jack.. the House only has a slight edge of like 51 or is it 52% compared to your 48-49%.. thats why I love the game of Black Jack compard to the other Casino Games. The house edge isn't exactly that great at all.
To be honest Twizzy blackjack is my game of choice in a casino, if they dont have a poker table. But small edges are how the house makes their money. Unless you can effectively count into a 6 deck shoe then youll still lose 1-2% of your money in the long run.
Read "Bringing down the house" unsure of the author, its an excellent read about a group of students that cheated the casinos in the 80's (i think)
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| Posted by: twizzybop at January 29, 2006, 10:50 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Long term you can win on black jack.. the House only has a slight edge of like 51 or is it 52% compared to your 48-49%.. thats why I love the game of Black Jack compard to the other Casino Games. The house edge isn't exactly that great at all.
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| Posted by: zgabitza at January 29, 2006, 12:44 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
do what you want to do , but don`t play online blackjack or any other casino game except poker.
it`s better for you if u have the age to go in the casino and play , woth real people not against a computer or a server. it`s ery tricky
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| Posted by: Moonshooter at December 30, 2005, 12:03 pm | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
The best site for gettin the best strategy for blackjack is www.blackjackinfo.com (on the left side you'll see 'basic strategy engine' click there) , or you can search the net... most sites call it 'basic strategy'. The good thing about that site i mentioned is that it allows you to customize the tables to the rules your casino plays by... and believe me there are quite a few different rules.
If you are in sydney and go to star city you should become a member and get a free $10 oucher, and if you sign up on your birthday you get another $10 oucher. Now about card counting there might be a few sites on the net, just google 'card counting'. But to save you effort, check with the dealer at your casino how many decks they use for blackjack. If they use more than 2 (star city uses 8) then card counting isn't really worth the effort. That's why a lot of people go to egas, the only place where they still have single-deck games!
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| Posted by: tenbob at December 30, 2005, 11:51 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
Just Google : blackjack basic strategy
There are literally tons of stuff out there, i wont post the links here. But remember that long term you wont win money playing black-jack.
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| Posted by: t-fresh at December 30, 2005, 3:49 am | | Topic: BlackJack Forum: Card Chat |
i turned 18 not to long, and i have went to the casino a couple of time. the closest one to me doesn't have a card room so i just play blackjack. what i want to know is if anyone knows something about BETTING strategies or counting cards. please feel free to share all your knowledge with me. thanks
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