| Posted by: yrusougly at January 16, 2007, 3:58 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I believe this thread needs to be split into 2 separate subjects.
1 online blackjack
2 Bricks and mortar blackjack
Go ahead and use the odds which have been published for playing at the bricks and mortar games. I have no argument about that and I also accept the card counting argument. They are alid in actual games because there are no outside factors influencing the outcome.
For online blackjack, you are a fool to trust that the game is programmed to duplicate real life action. The fact that the online game is PROGRAMMED, is the key to the inability to use the normal odds. As long as a game is programmed, standard odds no longer apply, as the programming influences the game to improve the benefit to the house.
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| Posted by: brown110 at January 15, 2007, 9:53 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
If you are a good blackjack player you can have an edge over the house in blackjack... at a casino. I disagree with you because I think blackjack can be profitable when played correctly.
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| Posted by: carlito523 at January 15, 2007, 8:01 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I deal both blackjack and roulette at a casino in detroit, MI, and believe me, unless u get extremely lucky, which i havent seen too often, blackjack isnt the way to go either in the casino or online.Most lose their ass either quickly, slowly, or win and give it back plus some, so if u do happen to get lucky by some chance of fate, GET UP before u do the same. Just my advice.
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| Posted by: Arsenal28 at January 14, 2007, 6:28 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I learned my lesson the hard way at few different poker sites. I just stay away from Blackjack at any online casino or online poker room. I think the poker sites are brilliant for putting it on their sites though. I know a number of people who have tilted their bankroll away trying to win back money lost from a poker bad beat. Not worth the trouble in the long run.
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| Posted by: brown110 at January 14, 2007, 2:45 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
poker is based on more skill than blackjack... online at least. If you're in a casino then blackjack is certainly a game to play with great odds for the players... but I find it hard to believe that online blackjack isn't completely rigged.
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| Posted by: DocGee at January 13, 2007, 6:55 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I played on line Blackjack just once and only becouse i won $5 in a freeroll I played 5 hands and pushed evey one the last one I had KQ dealer showing a 5 flip10 DREW a 5 I LEFT took the $5 and enter poker turny won $134 stay with poker.
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| Posted by: workingdog at January 13, 2007, 1:41 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
the only time I'll play online blackjack is if it's multiplayer. Otherwise, it seems like a complete joke.
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| Posted by: martin_macd at January 13, 2007, 1:06 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by WOODHIGHLYE
ONLINE BLACKJACKS IS A SUCKERS BET IF YOUR A SUCKER KNOCK YOURSELF OUT BUT LIKE MY HEADLINE GOES A FOOL AND THEIR MONEY ARE SOON DEPARTED STEP UP TO A ONLINE BLACKJACK TABLE AN BRING YOUR VASALINE ALL IM GOING TO SAY HAVE YOUR DEATH DELT IN PERSON IF YOU INSIST ON PLAYING NOT VIA RIGGED ODDS OVER THE INTERNET
well there is nothing to finish the day with better than a well thought out concise argument! Just what we love about internet Forums!!!!
Quote: Originally Posted by Egon Towst
I agree entirely, Woody.
Just one thing - on the left side of your KB there is a toggle marked "Caps Lock". Please turn it off.
I AGREE ENTIRELY ---- EEEeerrrrr ooops, sorry about that... lol
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at January 12, 2007, 11:25 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by WOODHIGHLYE
ONLINE BLACKJACKS IS A SUCKERS BET
I agree entirely, Woody.
Just one thing - on the left side of your KB there is a toggle marked "Caps Lock". Please turn it off.
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| Posted by: WOODHIGHLYE at January 12, 2007, 11:02 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
ONLINE BLACKJACKS IS A SUCKERS BET IF YOUR A SUCKER KNOCK YOURSELF OUT BUT LIKE MY HEADLINE GOES A FOOL AND THEIR MONEY ARE SOON DEPARTED STEP UP TO A ONLINE BLACKJACK TABLE AN BRING YOUR VASALINE ALL IM GOING TO SAY HAVE YOUR DEATH DELT IN PERSON IF YOU INSIST ON PLAYING NOT VIA RIGGED ODDS OVER THE INTERNET
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| Posted by: martin_macd at January 11, 2007, 5:43 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by cali420fornia
if you have a gambling problem you need to start winning.
Its only a problem when Im losing !!!!!!
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| Posted by: martin_macd at January 11, 2007, 4:32 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Egon Towst
No chance of diddling her on the housekeeping, then ?
LMAO - 'fraid not, she is the one with the pursestrings otherwise I would lose it all chasing gutshot straights!
a wise man once said to me "he who has a gambling problem should not play online poker"
-actually thats a lie, I dont know any wise men, but if I did I am sure he would tell me that....
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at January 11, 2007, 3:44 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by martin_macd
and my missus whom is also a bit of a maths junkie has an equally good record.
No chance of diddling her on the housekeeping, then ?
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| Posted by: martin_macd at January 11, 2007, 3:34 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by yrusougly
I also never play blackjack due to the fact that the odds of your winning aren't disclosed to you. It is a fact that the house will win over time at a bricks ad mortar casino, but the online blackjack could have even stronger odds against you in the software.
Have to disagree with this post - Blackjack is my first love with card games, and I have spent thousands of hours developing an advantage over B&M casinos on this one.
Here in Spain all my local casinos play with two decks, either one being shuffled on every hand to make sure that you are playing with a fresh deck - as this way when playing perfect strategy you are only statistically going to win 49.5% of the hands played - then it is somewhat down to luck whether you come out on top as it is based on how you spread your bets. I therefore DO NOT play blackjack here in spain...
HOWEVER as most USA casinos run a 6 or 8 deck shoe, and only shuffle when you are down t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hott_estelle at January 11, 2007, 3:03 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
And the sad thing is that card counting (in your head without the use of a device) is not illegal in the US (or anywhere that I know of). But a casino can still ask (force) you to leave (and could ban you) if they even just suspect you're doing it. That is such a crock for a non-illegal activity.
Not just ask/force, but in some cases, iolently threaten. Card counters just aren't looked at kindly by casinos in Vegas or Europe or anywhere else, which I just don't understand. It's just using a skill, not cheating, like any other game requires. But that's how its always been I guess.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at January 10, 2007, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Egon Towst
Problem is, the casinos are ery aware that Blackjack is the only game where they aren`t necessarily in the driving seat, and they watch out for and discourage experts. Last time I played live BJ, the dealer spotted within 15 minutes that I was a player and made me aware that she knew. Had I started winning big, I`d probably have been asked to leave.
And the sad thing is that card counting (in your head without the use of a device) is not illegal in the US (or anywhere that I know of). But a casino can still ask (force) you to leave (and could ban you) if they even just suspect you're doing it. That is such a crock for a non-illegal activity.
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| Posted by: Egon Towst at January 10, 2007, 10:26 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Online Blackjack is good only for a little fun, don`t put serious money into it.
Live Blackjack is another story. As JD says, if you play optimum strategy and count cards (a simplified system works, and is manageable with practice by anyone with a good head for numbers), you can have a slight edge and be confident of breaking even or winning a little over the course of a long session.
Problem is, the casinos are ery aware that Blackjack is the only game where they aren`t necessarily in the driving seat, and they watch out for and discourage experts. Last time I played live BJ, the dealer spotted within 15 minutes that I was a player and made me aware that she knew. Had I started winning big, I`d probably have been asked to leave.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at January 9, 2007, 11:27 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrsnake3695
I was talking about using perfect strategy, not counting. If you are an expert card counter and don't get banned from the casino you do have a slight edge. But most people can't count cards.
Yep, I was just adding some additional thoughts. Even the simpler grouped +/- counting systems (which is more along the lines of what people do today) can gain you some advantage, though it would be a little slimmer than a full blown counting system.
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at January 9, 2007, 10:02 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I was talking about using perfect strategy, not counting. If you are an expert card counter and don't get banned from the casino you do have a slight edge. But most people can't count cards.
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at January 9, 2007, 3:50 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrsnake3695
If you play perfect blackjack the house has a 1 to 2% edge depending on the rules used.
Actually, depending on the game rules and your ability to count cards, it is possible to play with a minor advantage over the house (but keep in mind that we're talking about .5% to .75% at the ery most). Black jack is the only casino game in which this is actually possible, too. No other game will allow this.
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at January 8, 2007, 10:56 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
In a casino, slots have the worst odds.
If you play perfect blackjack the house has a 1 to 2% edge depending on the rules used.
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| Posted by: DESSERTLADY at January 8, 2007, 12:45 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I have to agree wth brown110 on this myself. I only play at Ultimatebet and that's if it is the tournament BlackJack. Otherwise it's way too much gambling for me in online BlackJack. I would stick with poker.
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| Posted by: brown110 at January 7, 2007, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I'm not sure if any of you play this, but tournament blackjack on ultimatebet is fun. There is no house edge because you are playing against other players, just the standard tournament fee in poker tournaments. A good blackjack player can make some good money in this. I'd suggest checking it out if you enjoy blackjack.
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| Posted by: Freakakanus at January 7, 2007, 7:57 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pokerrqueenn
i believe that in a casino the houses odds are better than any other game and that more money is made by the house from black jack than any other game. black jack is rigged and online blackjack is rigged and juiced
Actually Blackjack is the only game where the house has the smallest advantage over the player. I'm not sure what the actual percentage is but there are worse games to play in a casino. (i.e.) Keno, Roulette......
I wouldn't play online though for the shuffling reasons mentioned before.
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| Posted by: AmadorEd at January 7, 2007, 7:17 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Some Good Advice, Do Not Play Online BlackJack, The Odds are ery much against you, with Very Little chance of making any profit.
Spending your money on a Lotto ticket would be safer than online BlackJack.
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| Posted by: pokerrqueenn at January 7, 2007, 5:55 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
i believe that in a casino the houses odds are better than any other game and that more money is made by the house from black jack than any other game. black jack is rigged and online blackjack is rigged and juiced
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| Posted by: x-Longshot-x at January 7, 2007, 5:50 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Stick to poker, even though you cannot conrol the cards that come out you can control the way that the hand goes, in blackjack you stick your money in almost blindly
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at January 7, 2007, 4:57 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I am also leary to play blackjack online. I some people think they can get an advantage by counting but I assume that the cards are "reshuffled" after every hand which takes away any edge you may have. I plat some black jack at casinos and although I don't count I do pay attention to low cards and high cards coming out and adjust my bets alittle accordingly. You can't do that online. Plus I doubt if a legitamite site would rig the poker since the house wins no matter who wins but with blackjack it's different since you are playing the house. They certainly have an incentive to push the odds a little more in their favor.
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| Posted by: yrusougly at January 7, 2007, 1:22 pm | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I also never play blackjack due to the fact that the odds of your winning aren't disclosed to you. It is a fact that the house will win over time at a bricks ad mortar casino, but the online blackjack could have even stronger odds against you in the software.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at January 7, 2007, 4:57 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
I just plain don't play blackjack or other casino games online. There is so little info on the accuracy of their decks etc that I just don't risk it. Stick to poker.
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| Posted by: Nitz1 at January 7, 2007, 4:51 am | | Topic: Bodog Blackjack Concern Forum: Card Chat |
Hello fellow poker/casino players
This is my first time Chatting online in any forum. I want to get right to the point though. I've just played blackjack at Bodog and ery concerned about the number of NON FACE cards the dealer overturns on the down card. Is there any chat about this going on? Thanks
Play Bodog Blackjack
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