| Posted by: VegasGrinder at May 28, 2005, 11:37 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Luck has nothing to do with it....It is all about odds.
Searching for "Luck" will never payoff. Yeah you ca catch and win a allin but losing the next 4 or 5 cost you in the long run.
Poker isn't about one hand or one game....Calculating your winning/losing is about your entire career of playing Poker.
Start thinking of it as one continuing game.
You might cash in a tourney but the Game isn't over. Next time you sit down the game continues.
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| Posted by: kardmania at May 27, 2005, 3:42 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
One can make assessment of what the flop might contain based on the number of calling players. AK, AA, KK, are not as powerful relative to a suited connector when half the table calls.
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| Posted by: nextdoggie at May 26, 2005, 11:29 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
if you are short stacked you don't have much time. Sometimes you get lucky too, but the bottom line is the blinds will eat you up and the lower your stack goes, the lower the pot if you should win.
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| Posted by: zeta056 at May 26, 2005, 8:06 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
everyone who decides to push all-in willl always think they will catch or have a "all in hand" i mean everyone has their own opinions but to me, if you are short stacked, pockets and face cards will always catch your attention and leave you with the question: "should i push all in? or should i wait for a better hand?"
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| Posted by: nextdoggie at May 26, 2005, 4:39 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
"There are going to be situations where it may be worth taking the shot, you could be favourite. Eg like you said against someone you think probably has AJ etc."
Ahhh, situations. Don't forget the bluff factor. I've seen players who bluff so often that calling their raises or all-ins is tempting. The key thing to consider in every case is, "What if I lose?".
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| Posted by: IrishDave at May 26, 2005, 2:02 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
I think it also depends on the "personality" of the table that you're on. I was in a multi-table SNG last night on FullTilt, and once we got to the final 9 it became an incredibly tight (and VERY boring game). We spent an hour passing the blinds around the table while everyone was waiting for THE hand to hit. I finally loosened up a bit and started taking a few risks just so we could progress. To make a long story short, I got the table moving again and finished 3rd (so I made a little). Lost on an all-in with pocket kings to a river inside straight - but that's poker...
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| Posted by: colin_147 at May 26, 2005, 1:05 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Four Dogs
Go All-In when you feel the cards you need are going to come up? How the heck can you know that?
Of course you dont know, its about instinct, feeling, nerve and luck. If you only ever played the really good hand (AA, AK etc) and you was having a bad night, you will soon lose your chips on the blinds.
There will be hands where you know it will take a good flop, turn etc in order for you to win, but if everyone is folding, take a chance.
I have often raised with only the BB left in order to steal the blinds, sometimes he will fold, often he will call and you might hit trips on the flop.
Sometimes you just know you will win or lose! Strange feeling
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at May 26, 2005, 12:28 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by thecat35
you should go all in when you feel the cards are going to come you need luck in this game and sometimes going searching for it pays off
Go All-In when you feel the cards you need are going to come up? How the heck can you know that?
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| Posted by: twizzybop at May 25, 2005, 1:15 am | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
LOL@ if you feel.. All in is for 2 things.. #1 If you do find yourself short-stacked, then you're going to have to pick an opportune moment to put all of your chips at risk, probably several times, in order to rebuild a iable position; otherwise, the blinds will just eat your stack up. If you find yourself in this situation, try to put all of your chips in with a starting hand that's at least a pair, or contains an Ace or King, or a suited hand - in order to give yourself the most outs.
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#2Also, don't call an all-in bet heads-up unless you have a real hand, since it's likely that your opponent also has a ery strong hand and is deliberately trying to pull you in.
It's best to have a good hand and to be the one calling the other player all-in, if possible.
Notice the part about a REAL hand it is is best to have a good hand and to the bhe one calling the other player all-in if possible. Not to mention they are deliberatly trying to pull you all-in.
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| Posted by: qsilver1 at May 25, 2005, 12:39 am | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
in my last three trhs i took two bad beats, well the first was not i had kk went all in after first round of betting i was bb got called three players down all else folded caller had aa 44 to 1 but hey next four times i got kk won four all ins. the beat that stunned me was my p was qq raised blind by three. had two players calling flop 4 ? 4. heavy bet 4000 125 players left in trny at time calle dby original caller second player layed down. turn card 4 so comm was 4 ? 4 4. i went all in player in called had k/q river flooded me and gave him a king. but i must say at least i got my chips in on best hand. well at first lol. i was down to 12000 and bb blind at the time was 2000. i think i went out a fighter and that is all you can ask. good luck all
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| Posted by: thecat35 at May 25, 2005, 12:10 am | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
you should go all in when you feel the cards are going to come you need luck in this game and sometimes going searching for it pays off
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 14, 2005, 1:42 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by smd173
pp 10's are my cursed hand. If I have 'em, I lose. If I don't have 'em, they win for someone else.
Case in point (2 recent tourneys).
Tourney #1:
Final 4, I have 32K. Person in front of me who was kind of aggressive goes all in preflop for 22K. I have 10 10. I call. She had AJo. She hits her A on the river.
Tourney #2:
Final 4, I have 10K (just worked my way up from having 2200). I see AQo and went all in preflop under the gun. Dealer and small blind were the chip leaders and I was looking to steal the blinds which were 600/1200. I realize now that I probably shouldn't have put myself at risk just to steal 1800, but I do feel AQo is still strong, especially 4 handed. Well the BB sat and thought, then eventually called with 10 10. Flop comes Q 7 4, then an X, and a 10 on the river.
Well, probably nobody,s going to call you with worse than AQ. He saw an opportuinity at the final table and he took it. He starte... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: smd173 at April 10, 2005, 8:29 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
pp 10's are my cursed hand. If I have 'em, I lose. If I don't have 'em, they win for someone else.
Case in point (2 recent tourneys).
Tourney #1:
Final 4, I have 32K. Person in front of me who was kind of aggressive goes all in preflop for 22K. I have 10 10. I call. She had AJo. She hits her A on the river.
Tourney #2:
Final 4, I have 10K (just worked my way up from having 2200). I see AQo and went all in preflop under the gun. Dealer and small blind were the chip leaders and I was looking to steal the blinds which were 600/1200. I realize now that I probably shouldn't have put myself at risk just to steal 1800, but I do feel AQo is still strong, especially 4 handed. Well the BB sat and thought, then eventually called with 10 10. Flop comes Q 7 4, then an X, and a 10 on the river.
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| Posted by: vt_mruhlin at April 10, 2005, 5:22 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
I've picked up the habit of going all-in whenever I see AQ. Seems like if I try to play her, somebody else beats me. If I go all in and have a big stack, I'm likely to just pick up the blinds. If I'm shortstacked, it'll either double me up or end my suffering.
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| Posted by: capax at April 10, 2005, 6:48 am | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
I all to often here the myth that AK wins 75% of the time over a pocket pair. Its nice to see a discussion of true odds. But I often see the pocket pairs (below 99) overplayed when they havn't hit the set. I see all sorts going all in after a flop with an underpair "hoping" that someone didn't hit their pair.
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| Posted by: TITANS488 at April 6, 2005, 9:42 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
the hand that i love to go all in on is a low [pocket pair because if u dont get a call u arent to pist off at urslef for pushing too much and if they call its usually a coinflip
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| Posted by: lonemessiah at April 4, 2005, 4:45 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Small point, but it is a complete myth that pocket 2's will beat AK more often than not, you have a 49% chance of making that pair over the 5 cards, whilst the have a 19% chance of making 3 of a kind to beat your pair (meaning that it is a roughly 40-60 in favour of the 2's if you just look at the cards in your hand).
Now we also have to take into account straights, you have over twice as much chance of hitting a straight with AK (since one of the aces has gone to spoil the a,2,3,4,5)
If a flush comes up the 2's are not likely to win it for you, aces or kings will.
And finally if two pairs come up, you suddenly have the worst kicker possible, and any hand will beat you, let alone AK.
This doesn't take into account other combinations such as full houses and the AK hitting 2 pair or 3 of a kind, as these are too rare to make much of a difference.
So as you can see AK is a massive hand, and with a fairly decent chance of making that pair well worth a gamble if y... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dirty at April 3, 2005, 3:09 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
Too weak for me...
If the blinds represent 1/10th of your stack or less, and let's say you are on the button and had 1 limper in middle position with a similar stack. You get a q suited, should you push? Damn right you do, you probably have the best hand right now, and if they fold, you just added 1/4 of your stack to your stack, and if you get called, its either going to be you way ahead, way behind, or a coinflip.
Let's say you're way ahead, someone with A little off calls, that means you win 3/4 times (dont know the exact numbers, but it is something close). That means you double up and then some 3 times, making your stack healthy, and go broke one time. Good odds if you ask me, most pro's are looking for 5% advantages, you have a 75/25 advantage here.
Let's say you get called by 77. You got a coinflip, half the time you do more than double up, the other half of the time, you bust out. Thems the breaks, but if you play weak during that stage of the tourney, you will eventua... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Grumbledook at April 3, 2005, 1:13 pm | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
nice post there starlight, though of course there is always the adage in poker of "it depends"
There are going to be situations where it may be worth taking the shot, you could be favourite. Eg like you said against someone you think probably has AJ etc.
Or maybe a short stack in late position when the blinds are large compared to stack size and its folded round. Thats a typical stealing situation and while they can have anything, you have to like AK there.
Still its all good food for thought and as always it depends.
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| Posted by: StarlightCoast at April 3, 2005, 10:29 am | | Topic: All-In Luck Of The Draw Forum: Card Chat |
I would like to touch on an aspect of any tournament you happen to play in and all comments are welcome. That is the all-in play.
The way i see it is this is one of the worst plays you can make with the exception of holding AA or KK.
How many times in a tournament have we seen the all-in move and how many times have we seen 55 s AK, AQ s AJs and no matter what the all-in may be, what cards are involved with the 2 3 or 4 players involved it is pure luck of the draw. 22 s AK the 22 is the favorite but as we all know it is nothing more than a coin flip. I see no logic in risking your whole stack of chips, your entire tournament life on something as sketchy as luck. To me it's crazy. There are 5 cards to be turned and anything can come. How many times have we seen someone bluff all-in with an 89o and someone holding AQs calls just to have the board show K2359.
Cards like AK, AQ, AJ whether suited or not are simply drawing hands and nothing more. Rarely it is that they can win on t... | | Read Entire Entry |
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