| Posted by: ed_ha at March 7, 2005, 6:07 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by heshkak
I like to watch betting patterns over physical tells. This is evident in both real life and online play.
Things to watch:
1) How much they bet and when, do they bet their big hands hard or do they like to slow play them.
2) The SPEED of which they make their decisions.
I really like #2. So many players give away the strength or weekness of their hand by how fast they make their decsions. Of course you have to understand your opponent, some opponents will make a decision and raise quickly when they are strong and some will raise quickly when they are bluffing in order to give the impression that they are strong.
I like to take a few extra seconds when I know I have the top hand before acting (whether that be check, call, or raise will depend on the situation). This usually makes players think that I have a drawing hand where I'm calculationg the outs/pot size, when in actuallity I'm calculating how much I'm gonna win... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: quake419 at March 7, 2005, 4:44 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Well not all body language is a gage you have some poker players who are just unreadable, you have the quacks who play everyhand and any two cards before the flop and you have the students of the game who play for the gold. Body Language is just a slight measure you have two know the and get a feel for the person you are playing if in person feel the atmosphere if on the computer watch the beeting method! Study the game people Study the game ! I have played a lot of poker in my day and have been 67% in the money
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| Posted by: stilt at March 7, 2005, 4:38 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
The best one ive seen was when a friend of mine totally twitched when he got dealt pocket Q's (hes a ery good player, and usually never does that) and all the opponents folded directly.
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| Posted by: nachocrash at February 14, 2005, 11:58 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
A big tell I was taught is when people are trying not to give off a tell they will look down at their chips repeatedly, trying to stay stoned face. More often then not they are trying to hard to not tip their hand, and end up tipping off their hand in the process
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| Posted by: Ice76 at February 14, 2005, 10:12 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Over the years, I think I've got rid of most of my tells. I have a single posture I don't change from (unless I want to change), I use dark sunglasses and always stare directly at the player whose turn it is to act (though I might be looking elsewhere, that's where I aim my stare), I take 10 seconds to check, bet, raise or call, I keep my hands on my cards and such. It requires loads of concentration, but I've nailed most of it down. A friend recently brought to my attention a single tell I didn't notice I had: It seems that when I've a strong hand, I pick up chips with my right hand, but when I'm bluffing/drawing, pick them up with the left one and then move them to the right to bet.
Things like this are truly picked up on only after tons of experience. That guy has been playing with me for over 2 years, and he noticed that particular (though great) tell about a month ago. Know your opponent.
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| Posted by: palirwin at February 14, 2005, 8:00 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I do read body language, unfortunately that is the easiest thing for someone to fake you out on so you have to be REALLY careful. I love to play against people who read body language, as I use it to my advantage.
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| Posted by: Heshkak at February 11, 2005, 5:39 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I like to watch betting patterns over physical tells. This is evident in both real life and online play.
Things to watch:
1) How much they bet and when, do they bet their big hands hard or do they like to slow play them.
2) The SPEED of which they make their decisions.
I really like #2. So many players give away the strength or weekness of their hand by how fast they make their decsions. Of course you have to understand your opponent, some opponents will make a decision and raise quickly when they are strong and some will raise quickly when they are bluffing in order to give the impression that they are strong.
I like to take a few extra seconds when I know I have the top hand before acting (whether that be check, call, or raise will depend on the situation). This usually makes players think that I have a drawing hand where I'm calculationg the outs/pot size, when in actuallity I'm calculating how much I'm gonna win!!
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| Posted by: RussGriffith at February 11, 2005, 12:56 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
The best read you'll get is by watching your opponents eyes off the flop. With the people I play with, evey time they get a nice piece of the flop, their eyes immediatly drop to their chips. It may onlt be for a split second, but it's definitely the best tell I've encountered.
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| Posted by: slickster at February 6, 2005, 4:37 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nick
Yer especially if you're playing s me, because keeping a secret that I've got the best hand is hard
For some reason Nick I have a hard time believing that - lol.
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| Posted by: Lavitz at February 4, 2005, 11:33 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I try to use body language in a different way kind of. I know two of my friends pay attention closely to the way I act when I make a big raise usually or go all-in. I used to taunt at them(regardless if I was bluffing or not) and a few times they called it just happened at those times I wasn't bluffing. They think that whenever I do this now that I don't notice myself doing it and that I'm holding a monster hand. Therefore, I usually do it when I'm bluffing now and when I do have a monster hand I remain silent. It won't be long before they get the monster hand and call my bluff but I'll keep doing it till then.
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| Posted by: Nick at December 12, 2004, 6:02 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I think that's a good set of basic rules to follow cazino.... I'm usually the one talking all the time, but I'm not necessarily quiet when I got a good hand.
I've never followed the posture one as it can be so easily faked and/or unpredictable.
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| Posted by: cazino at December 5, 2004, 3:32 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I've read a couple of books on tells and have tried to incorperate them into every game that I play in. Of all of the ones I've read about, the only two that seem to be pretty much universal are as follows.
1: When the obnoxious guy shuts his mouth. Usually, when someone is talking constantly throughout the game (especially to someone who is not playing), then instantly shuts up for a few seconds after looking at his cards, they have a strong hand.
2: Look at everyone's posture when you start playing. I try to ignore facial expressions or eye directions (at least untill I get better at reading people). For the most part, no one pays attention to their posture and rarely fake it. If someone has been slouching in their chair for the last 10 hands then sits up straight or has been sitting up straight and leans foward a little, they are usually pretty strong.
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| Posted by: MaxMavric at December 3, 2004, 11:47 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by msbask
In Texas Hold 'Em, my favorites are the players who look at their hand and look at the flop, then look back at their hand and back at the flop (repeat 3 or 4 more times), as if they can't believe what they have.
lol this might be because they have no clue what's going on
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| Posted by: Passions_JC at December 2, 2004, 9:51 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I heard that you have to watch body language too, but I don't notice anything either.
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| Posted by: Floris at November 18, 2004, 12:15 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Moonshooter
I've read in a few books that one should take note of body language when a player has a good hand (this obviously known at the end of the hand), and i tried to use it myself in a friendly game.
i couldnt see anythin!!
Yeh a couple of down or shifty looks by players, but they didnt tell me much! and they probably did it knowin someone was watchin them. So does anyone know good tell-signs? Or do they appear at all in a friendly (low stakes) poker game?
Moonshooter
I try to dress warm so I look hot and sweat a little. But I keep my cool inside and hide my cards at all times and just focus on other players and adapt to that. This way they think I am out of control and dare to bluff me, which is what most players are baaad at
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| Posted by: msbask at November 16, 2004, 11:20 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
In Texas Hold 'Em, my favorites are the players who look at their hand and look at the flop, then look back at their hand and back at the flop (repeat 3 or 4 more times), as if they can't believe what they have.
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| Posted by: magoo at November 9, 2004, 7:42 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I think it's natural to smile a little if you get a good hand. Unless you're a really experienced player you'll always give away a little clue here or there
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| Posted by: Nick at October 26, 2004, 8:58 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
Yer especially if you're playing s me, because keeping a secret that I've got the best hand is hard
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| Posted by: Toby at October 25, 2004, 5:41 pm | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
You learn the body languages of the players, and also over time and experience of playing the game you learn and pick up, you can never be 100% sure but a good player near enough can guess or know.
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| Posted by: Moonshooter at October 25, 2004, 3:29 am | | Topic: Body language Forum: Card Chat |
I've read in a few books that one should take note of body language when a player has a good hand (this obviously known at the end of the hand), and i tried to use it myself in a friendly game.
i couldnt see anythin!!
Yeh a couple of down or shifty looks by players, but they didnt tell me much! and they probably did it knowin someone was watchin them. So does anyone know good tell-signs? Or do they appear at all in a friendly (low stakes) poker game?
Moonshooter
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