| Posted by: F Paulsson at September 8, 2005, 4:20 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Yeah, I realize that 12 is a really small sample. True, these are turbos (I believe there are two regular 9-player SNGs among these), so perhaps I do need to be a bit more loose earlier on.
And, god, the 4 and 5s placements. I really wanted to safe it out to get in the money, but I decided to play more aggressively (for the win) to try it out. These consecutive losses took a decent bite in my bankroll. I'm usually in the money about 30% of the time (and win about 10% of the time), so maybe the way I play works as it does.
Anyway, maybe I'll take a few of the hands to the hand analysis forum and let you guys dig into me.
Something I did pick up from Moneymaker's strategy, though, is to not chicken out on post-flop raises and give opponents good pot odds on draws. That's something I need to work on. My other big weakness is getting enough money out of my winning hands, but that's a separate issue.
Btw, I'm new here - as you may have noticed. I've learned a lot from this... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at September 8, 2005, 2:49 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
The Stars $6.50s are turbos if I remember rightly? You can't afford to be overly tight early on in these - with the blinds increasing so rapidly if you don't catch anything big you're just gonna get blinded out. I guess what's happening to you in most cases is you're not getting any premiums and you end up watching your stack slowly whittled away at until it gets ineffective and you have to make a move. What am I basing this on? The high number of 4ths/5ths. Anyway, #1 in that link doesn't really apply to turbos imo - play more drawing hands for cheap in late position if the table is loose, and focus on stealing blinds if the table is tight.
Also note that 12 SnGs is a really, really small sample size. It's possible you're just running bad I know I've had 12 out of money finishes in a row before, and I'm sure I've had close to 12 consecutive in the money finishes. That's luck and ariance for you, (un)fortunately.
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at September 8, 2005, 2:06 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Since I was asked to reply with results:
PokerStars, $6 (+$0.5), 9 player SNGs.
Place:
4
4
9
8
5
4
4
5
5
6
6
8
This strat isn't working for me, although I'm not sure why. I did suffer some seriously bad beats, but in general, I felt a lot of the times that I gave up good hands (AQs, etc) which could have made me money, and dumped tons of chips into having my QQ/KK beaten by a A-10-2 flop.
Or is a string of losses this long expected, and I should really just suck it up and keep at it?
Cheers,
-F
EDIT: "This" strat is the Chris Moneymaker one, linked at the top.
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| Posted by: donvic at July 24, 2005, 4:55 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by western_cj
ive bin playing online for a while now and what ive found is that everyone has their different strategies for sitngos and dependingn on how you use them they all seem to work....i have friends who i watch online and they all play different styles of poker but they all seem to win so my advice would be to play your game that you like to play and if you know what your doing you should be fine...
western,
yea, sometimes it does not matter what
plan you play with; just that you have
a plan.
best,
donvci
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| Posted by: luckycharms at March 30, 2005, 8:45 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
hi, ive been having trouble with sngos usually going out on the bubble.everyone gets so aggresive when its down to 4 i usually get a low stack waiting for a really good hand. i will start using this strategy hopefully it will help, thanks for posting it!
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| Posted by: unknown2u at March 22, 2005, 8:44 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pocket10s
ok, i've been playing low limit sit and go tournaments on party poker for alil over 2 years now and have my my fair share of money.
and i have to say, the "sit and go strategy" by Chris Moneymaker has to be the best system i have ever seen.
it incorperates every aspect of the game from the start of the game till there is only u and another left fighting for first and second place.
i saw this at http://pokervan.com/sng.htm .... a fairley new site (not all that great)
well jsut want to let you guys know about this strategy and u should try it out for urself.
if you choose to try this system.... REPLY WITH RESULTS PLEASE!!!
good article man i have the same strat.
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| Posted by: western_cj at March 22, 2005, 7:44 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
ive bin playing online for a while now and what ive found is that everyone has their different strategies for sitngos and dependingn on how you use them they all seem to work....i have friends who i watch online and they all play different styles of poker but they all seem to win so my advice would be to play your game that you like to play and if you know what your doing you should be fine...
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| Posted by: jrob28 at March 22, 2005, 7:13 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
sit and gos are defiantly my downfall. they are so fun to play in yet i always seem to not be patient enogh. for some reason i just have to get all my chips in and thats when it hits, one spot out of the money.
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| Posted by: disguised123 at March 22, 2005, 12:54 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
i don't agree with all the advice on what cards to play. you have to play cards according to what type of people are in ur SnG. for example, when playing with tight people i think it is more appropriate to play hands like suited conenctors and in a lot of cases call small raises with them
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| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 21, 2005, 6:23 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
Thankyou for all your replies and comments, donvic you mention about where and what time of day etc.. It seems that I do a lot better as the day goes on, I don't know if this is because i'm playing against poorer players later in the day or if it's because i'm more settled into my game and playing much better with each game I play.
I'm thinking it's probably a little of both, in the evening people who are at work during the day are probably playing more for the enjoyment than the actual making money whereas the players during the day are probably the more experienced players who are playing for the money and not so much for the fun of it.
I'd like to think my game actually improves with every game I play but that could just be wishful thinking, no i'm sure my game does improve, i'm learning all the time and while your learning you must be improving.
I've since found out many more ways to make extra chips on arious good hands, an example is this hand I played yesterday in one of t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: donvic at March 21, 2005, 4:14 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Thewebmaster
Hi all,
Seems the appropriate place to post this one as we have been talking about strategies in the SNG's etc...This may or may not be of interest to you but if nothing else it may give some inspiration as to what can be done as far as poker playing goes. I have been making some decent money recently on a regular basis on the SNG's so today I decided to start a day by day log of how I do, like a diary I suppose. I wanted to post my first day's log here so you can have a look and make comments if you wish. Looking through the list of SNG's I played today you should take note that in a few of them I came nowhere at all, a good point to make here is not to become annoyed when you have a couple of losses, learn from the mistakes and don't go straight into another tourney if your still upset from a bad beat. Anyway here's my first days play :
Sunday's SNG tournament play
NOBLE.
Buy-in Placed Amount Won Profit
1/ $10.50 1st ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: donvic at March 21, 2005, 3:42 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by xdmanx007
Yeah not quite that simple. Best to stay out of trouble till the blinds are actually worth it although the easiest way to win is get on a rush early and bully your way to the end. I actually tried what moneymaker said several times and got my azz handed to me! Maybe just bad luck but it still happened. So got back to playin my old style and I am doing fine.
007
you know, yur right.
this has worked for me.
only problem....too few rushes.
donvic
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| Posted by: donvic at March 21, 2005, 3:36 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Thewebmaster
Hi all,
Remember I said I have hovered over the $50 SNG but never managed to hit the register button? Well I took the plunge today and boy what a difference they are. I think these players are way too serious and some can't afford to lose as I was called every name under the sun at one table, this guy was betting heavy from the start, he bet about 180 I think it was, I put him on a pocket pair straight away and I was right, I had a K8 diamonds and I have no real reason for me initially playing that other than the K's and plenty of diamonds had been showing, anyway we see the flop and 2 diamonds show giving me 4 diamonds, all low cards, nothing special but i've already decided to see the turn and flop, this guy bets 200 so I call, a club, low one, he bets another 200 and I call again and the river gives another diamond giving me a K flush, he bets 200 and I go all-in, he says wtf and calls me, he has a pair of Jacks. Man I was a sob, a f..... B... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 21, 2005, 6:02 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
Seems the appropriate place to post this one as we have been talking about strategies in the SNG's etc...This may or may not be of interest to you but if nothing else it may give some inspiration as to what can be done as far as poker playing goes. I have been making some decent money recently on a regular basis on the SNG's so today I decided to start a day by day log of how I do, like a diary I suppose. I wanted to post my first day's log here so you can have a look and make comments if you wish. Looking through the list of SNG's I played today you should take note that in a few of them I came nowhere at all, a good point to make here is not to become annoyed when you have a couple of losses, learn from the mistakes and don't go straight into another tourney if your still upset from a bad beat. Anyway here's my first days play :
Sunday's SNG tournament play
NOBLE.
Buy-in Placed Amount Won Profit
1/ $10.50 1st 42.00 31.50
2/ $ 5.25 0 0 0
3/ $21.00 0 0 0 | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: iveyfan30 at March 18, 2005, 4:54 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
i dont have any new stratgedy ,i play tight early then loosen up later when the blinds increase and try to steal a few here and there...
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at March 17, 2005, 8:14 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pocket10s
its not that easy... ill let others elaborate ( me sleep rite now)
Yeah not quite that simple. Best to stay out of trouble till the blinds are actually worth it although the easiest way to win is get on a rush early and bully your way to the end. I actually tried what moneymaker said several times and got my azz handed to me! Maybe just bad luck but it still happened. So got back to playin my old style and I am doing fine.
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| Posted by: pocket10s at March 17, 2005, 7:12 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Zubris
sit and goes are easy... play tight at beginging and play lose later when you have chips to gamble with
its not that easy... ill let others elaborate ( me sleep rite now)
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| Posted by: alymudd at March 16, 2005, 1:44 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hopefully you reported him. I have had that happen (name calling and such) on free sng as well as free tournements. I always report the people-simply because they ruin the fun for everyone. otherwise I just mute their chat by right clicking on their name. Best way to shut them up. Anyhow, if you report the players name and when/where it happened, they research and if it is a alid complaint, their chatting privlidges will be revoked. And it's anonymous-like they can come after us anyway....This is all assuming that you play on Ultimatebet.com
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| Posted by: hess at March 16, 2005, 12:28 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Moneymaker gave decent advice, but I have to point something out. He says play tight, but go all-in if you have a big hand like KK before the flop. If you are playing tight, then no one in their right mind would call without aces.
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| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 14, 2005, 11:58 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
Remember I said I have hovered over the $50 SNG but never managed to hit the register button? Well I took the plunge today and boy what a difference they are. I think these players are way too serious and some can't afford to lose as I was called every name under the sun at one table, this guy was betting heavy from the start, he bet about 180 I think it was, I put him on a pocket pair straight away and I was right, I had a K8 diamonds and I have no real reason for me initially playing that other than the K's and plenty of diamonds had been showing, anyway we see the flop and 2 diamonds show giving me 4 diamonds, all low cards, nothing special but i've already decided to see the turn and flop, this guy bets 200 so I call, a club, low one, he bets another 200 and I call again and the river gives another diamond giving me a K flush, he bets 200 and I go all-in, he says wtf and calls me, he has a pair of Jacks. Man I was a sob, a f..... B....... and much more. I said, that's the way poker goes ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 11, 2005, 3:43 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi 10ured,
To say I never go all-in pre-flop is slightly misleading, I will call an all-in pre-flop occasionally but won't go all-in pre-flop myself is more accurate.
It aries on the table your playing, I get a lot less all-in pre-flops on $20 and $30 SNG's than on $5 and $10 ones. You get a much more "sensible" game probably due to the fact it's more money and the players at least want some play time and don't want to take too many risks.
I see a lot more when i'm playing $5 and $10 SNG's though and i'm not really sure why that is. With so many new players constantly entering the SNG's it's getting much harder to assume what they have, especially early on in the game. The scenario you mention at one time you could have guessed almost exactly what the other two players had because of the amount bet, the chip stack etc..but now? I've seen players go all-in pre-flop with 2 and 3 offsuit, pure stupidity really and when so much money is at stake I wonder why they are even playing.
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| Posted by: Heshkak at March 11, 2005, 3:34 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
King 10? poket 10's and going all in?
Are you crazy man? Not for nothin man but I wanna play against you at a sit n go.
Unless you have AA, KK or AK, going all in preflop with 2 people allready putting large amounts of chips in IS SUICIDE.
The only ligitimate reason for taking such a chance is if you are seriously low on chips.
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| Posted by: 10ured at March 11, 2005, 2:15 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Tony, got a question for you. You said above that you never go all in pre-flop. I'll play a $10 sit and go from time to time and it seems that the majority of the pre-flop bids are all-ins, usualy not by just one or two players but a majority of the players at the table. I have a strong dislike for pre-flop all-ins as well and have folded some fairly strong pockets that I would have liked to seen a flop for. As an example, your at a table where pre-flop all-ins are common. You have suited King 10, or even pocket 10's, two people go all in before you, the three of you have basicaly the same amount of chips. Do you risk going all in and one of the two catching an over card? I usualy assume if someone has an average amount of chips and is going all in they are representing an Ace or high suited connectors.
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| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 8, 2005, 4:29 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
Wow, my biggest concern is that I don't get knocked out in 6th place, lol.
Strongest advice in sit-n-go's? That's a hard one, first I would say don't enter a SNG unless you can afford at least 3 of them, so if you have say $10 bankroll then you should start at a $1 or $2 SNG, don't let yourself go on tilt, ever, biggest mistakes are made when you go on tilt, I can wear a big loss and not let it effect me too much, and on the odd occasion i'm knocked out without a place i forget about it, take a break, have a look at some other SNG's then i'm back in. Don't dwell on any bad beats, shrug them off and get on with the game, i've been down to as low as 70 chips and came back to win a SNG, if i'd have thought about the big loss i'd have probably thrown my 70 chips on the next hand no matter what, but I waited for a pocket pair and doubled up and so on.
If your starting to play SNG's and losing there is something wrong, big time, best way to start out as there are only 6 players is to fold,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pocket10s at March 8, 2005, 3:57 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Patty, I know what u mean... my win ratio was about 1 in 4 before i found out about the Chris Moneymaker strategy.....
now I win about 1 in 2 games
i can guarentee u.... if you use this system and follow it carefully... u will see results/....
use it for a couple of sessions then REPLY with results, u wont be disapointed...
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| Posted by: PattyG at March 7, 2005, 2:58 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Atta boy Tony!!
Here's my scenario, I'm a cash player (being that I make all my poker money on the ring games) , but i just fall in love with the sit n' go's, but not because they're profitable to me, infact they take the majority of my winnings from the ring games. Now I've played in dollar heads up, to two table $20, and 5/6 30$ , and I can't seem to win, my ratio is probably 1 in 5.
Now I know I should just stay away, but I love them, and keep thinking that I can step climb, from one sit n' go to another with the proper play. But my play keeps getting beating by either bad beats or poor players...
What is YOUR biggest concern when player your sitn' go's tony?.., I know you stated that you do not use one certain strategy, but whats your biggest/strongest advice you can give to a wanna be Sitn' go PROOOO!!!
Alright, thanks!!
PattyG!
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| Posted by: Thewebmaster at March 6, 2005, 3:17 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
Yes this strategy guide is much like many other strategy guides, it can come in useful just like any other guide. If the strategy was flawless you'd win much more than 50% of the time. There just isn't a poker strategy that's flawless.
In an ideal poker world you might be able to use the same strategy every time if you was playing the same 10 or 6 players every time. Trouble is sit-n-go's can ary so much you have to change your strategy nearly every time you play.
If you had 4 or 5 of the players playing exactly the same strategy it wouldn't work, you have to change according to the table and players on that table.
I play sit-n-go's irtually every day for about 6hrs and i've never stuck to just one strategy over the course of say 4 games or more.
You have to be prepared to change your play from game to game depending on the different players you meet. It also throws people for a loop if you can change your play drastically during the game.
Also with so many new players c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pocket10s at March 5, 2005, 7:33 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
well have been using this strategy for a couple of months now and i win about 50% of my games, i think that this system is flawless and the only reasons i lose are because of bad beats.
i do agree that you have to be more aggressive in 6 ppl tournys, however by being aggressive you increase you chances of having a badbeat and also gettin caught( i.e. bluffs)
but for the most part the Moneymaker system works fine. And you can apply it not just to online poker, but the real thing as well.
and thats why he';s the 2004 world champion rite?????
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| Posted by: Heshkak at March 5, 2005, 4:41 pm | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
Thats not a bad guideline there. But there are a few issues, depending on the type of sit and go you are in. If it's a 10ppl sitngo then Chris has a sound strategy for the first few rounds. However, if you're playing at a 6 person SitnGo, you have to be WAY more agressive than that if you don't want to be taking huge chances later in the tourny, which is usually bubble play.
I personally don't like his bubble play advice, but bubble play is always debteable. He suggests to get agressive, that's fine if the blinds are in the correct ratio to the stacks. Frequently you run into situations where the blinds are 1/3 or more of the overall stack of the player and he's likely to call you with almost any hand. This is always dangerous because it's almost coin flipping from there. I prefer to tighten up a little and pick my spots of when to try to steal.
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| Posted by: pocket10s at March 5, 2005, 3:36 am | | Topic: sit and go poker strategy... Forum: Card Chat |
ok, i've been playing low limit sit and go tournaments on party poker for alil over 2 years now and have my my fair share of money.
and i have to say, the "sit and go strategy" by Chris Moneymaker has to be the best system i have ever seen.
it incorperates every aspect of the game from the start of the game till there is only u and another left fighting for first and second place.
i saw this at http://pokervan.com/sng.htm .... a fairley new site (not all that great)
well jsut want to let you guys know about this strategy and u should try it out for urself.
if you choose to try this system.... REPLY WITH RESULTS PLEASE!!!
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