| Posted by: starfall at June 18, 2006, 10:52 am | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
If you want to use a freeroll as practice for other tourneys, then definitely don't play the 1st hand push concept - because you're then trying to play like you would for a normal tourney.
That said, that is missing one of the main reasons for the post about pushing 1st hand: A solid strategy is a reasonable basis for your play, but sometimes you can spot other approaches as being more useful - aggression against people trying to limp into the money, calling more speculative hands when you know you'll get called if you hit your monster and push, taking advantage of specific structures (freerolls, 10 places paid equally like a satellite tournament, no-ante structures or high-ante/blind structures, kill games, etc). All of the structures mentioned are ones where a basic solid strategy may not be optimum and in some cases may even have a negative expectation. It's useful to have a basic strategy worked out, but it's at least as important (if not more so) to be able to look at different situations to se... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FlopIt2Me at June 17, 2006, 7:35 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
I findt he best strategy in freerolls is to be patient and pick your spots. Some people think you have to play every good hand you get. It is a long tourney and a couple of small pots you win in the beginning won't mean anything toward your win at the end. Some people even sit out for the first 30-45 min. I just play premium hands in the beginning and inch my way up without taking big risks. The final table is where you take the risks. I let the people that play too many hands go out 1st, then I bring my game on. I'm basically a rock in the 1st hour. In the middle portion I try to steal blinds and win sm,all pots to stay alive. The final table I play like a Sit N Go.
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| Posted by: pokrjoker at June 17, 2006, 2:52 am | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
well here is my 2 cents.....i rarely even play the first 15-30 minutes of freerolls or rebuy tourneys....mostly because of these ery antics that you all are agreeing to disagree over.....i find it profitable to use freerolls as a tool to progress farther in other tourneys...usually ill sign up for a freeroll and then shortly before it starts ill find either a sng or a mtt to play.....it helps with patience in the first few rounds of all tourneys when players do the allin bs.....then after the first 30 minutes or so most tourneys settle down abit.....after i has established my stack in the tourney i use the freeroll to kill time and make my "donk" plays....therefore making it easier to maintain my stack in the other more impotant tourney....then after it comes time..if i happen to be in the freeroll when its really time to play ill just sit out the freeroll and concentrate on the more important cash tourney.....
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| Posted by: starfall at June 16, 2006, 10:22 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mellowman307
I play extremely tight in the beginning of any tourney. I have never been blinded out and make more than my share of final tables.
I do not understand anybody who utilizes a different strategy just because its a freeroll.
I guess once a donk always a donk.
If you don't understand someone elses strategy when it's based on straightforward maths, while they understand yours just fine, it's not them that's the donk. Calling people donks just because they don't use the same strategy as you is refusing to see that your strategy is not the only one that there is, and means you need to examine the thought processes behind other strategies more closely so that you can understand them properly. I understand your strategy. I've played your strategy. I've had some success with your strategy. I've also had success with this strategy, and I've spent several posts explaining why I've proposed the strategy, while the main argument agai... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: gord962 at June 16, 2006, 4:18 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mellowman307
I play extremely tight in the beginning of any tourney. I have never been blinded out and make more than my share of final tables.
I do not understand anybody who utilizes a different strategy just because its a freeroll.
I guess once a donk always a donk.
Try re-reading the thread. This is only for freerolls that run every 1/2 hour, not EVERY tourney. You obviously skipped a few posts that would completely clear this up. It's not exactly rocket science. But hey, if you think I'm a donk, all the better to take your money with.
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| Posted by: Mellowman307 at June 16, 2006, 3:42 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
I play extremely tight in the beginning of any tourney. I have never been blinded out and make more than my share of final tables.
I do not understand anybody who utilizes a different strategy just because its a freeroll.
I guess once a donk always a donk.
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| Posted by: KingOfAnglia at June 16, 2006, 12:37 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Just thought i say i took the advice, and having never cashed in a freeroll for more than a few cents, I managed 82nd out of 5000+ players, only a $2 win, but with my little bankroll i was well impressed!,
thanks
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| Posted by: starfall at June 16, 2006, 10:03 am | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Twizzy, I've already acknowledged that you don't keep playing like that, and that it's not about playing good, solid poker here, it's about basic maths. After that first hand you play with Patience, Power and Position. It is specifically to better allow you to do that, because you can Patiently wait for a decent hand after that because you have a much larger stack, Power because you'll have the chip advantage when you do play over most players, and Position has nothing to do with chip stack, so that's unaffected by this but no less relevant to your strategy.
What you're missing is that where a freeroll has no entry cost, that changes things, and it is a specific strategy for the first hand to make the most of this difference - in much the same manner as you have to play somewhat looser in a 'kill' game or tighter in a no-ante Stud game. Hopefully that last sentence has also indicated what I've already said, that this isn't just spouting without any knowledge of normal poker strategy.
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| Posted by: twizzybop at June 16, 2006, 12:14 am | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
If the queen of england had balls she'd be king.. but she doesn't
If the dog didn't stop to take a crap he would have caught the fox
If I played my normal lottery ticket I normally played last night I would have won
If is a mighty big word
if(conj.)In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late.if(n.)A possibility, condition, or stipulation: There will be no ifs, ands, or buts in this matter
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| Posted by: gord962 at June 15, 2006, 11:49 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Don't you guys read these posts before you reply?? IT'S ONLY THE FIRST HAND THAT YOU ACT LIKE THIS!!!!! Pushing every hand is not a strategy to carry out through the entire tourney. This is simply a first hand strategy, then back to patient hand selection (your 1st P) and position play (your 3rd P). If you get the chip lead quickly you are playing with power, (your 2nd P).
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| Posted by: twizzybop at June 15, 2006, 11:22 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
What seem to fail to understand is that your loss when you lose is seconds to a couple of minutes of your time, even when you bust out several times. You don't keep going in every hand, because thats an idiot way to play. What you try to do is get a chip lead that you can then bully with, at the cost of a few minutes of your time for the tournys you bust out from. Registering for several freerolls takes no time at all, nor does pushing in on the first hand.
Now you've learned nothing but how to register for a freeroll.. Hold-em is about the 3 P's.. Patience, Power and Position. Now lets say you do go all-in 1st hand and whoop-de do you win say with 2 callers. So now you've got what 3000 possibly 4500 in chips. But now I would cripple your stack cause you haven't learned patience, power and position. You wish to call my 4-5X BB with Ax then be my guest, or K,Q cause its a connector. The only time I lose out in a freeroll is when I make a bad play and costly play... Trust me with so many people w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: starfall at June 15, 2006, 5:07 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
With going all-in on the first hand in a paid-for tournament and getting 2-3 callers = busting out and losing money say 75% of the time.
Going all-in in a freeroll first hand = busting out 75% of the time, and only losing 30 seconds of your time.
THAT is the point of it - you want to get called, you accept that you'll more often than not bust out, but those few minutes you spend busting out of a few freerolls then results in starting off in a strong position in the one you do place in, so that hour or 2 you play in the freeroll you don't immediately bust out on you can play from a stronger position. If everyone called and you bust out 9 times in 10, then you'd still only waste a few minutes, and would get a great pay-off when you do stay in, to make the most of the much larger time investment.
You push in when everyone IS LOOSE, because YOU WANT TO GET CALLERS.
What seem to fail to understand is that your loss when you lose is seconds to a couple of minutes of your time, even w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: wsorbust at June 14, 2006, 10:24 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
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With a freeroll there is nothing to lose, so why not go all-in?
Well with that thinking...why not go all-in on every hand then!? lol
...Going All-in with mediocre/trash hands will get you no where
...Going all in on a good hand, on the first hand will often get you no where.
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| Posted by: truushot at June 14, 2006, 10:16 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
I suppose the arguement is really based on your goals and play style. Those that think pushing early because they feel that they need the chips to play "their" style should do so. I would think that playing tight would be a better method but to each their own. I personally think that your an absolute donkey and idiot for shoving all in at the beginning of the tournament. It tells me 2 things about you, 1. your not a good player because you feel you need extra chips to play and 2. that you think bullying is what poker is all about.
Which ever method you choose good luck, for those of us who actually try most of the time to play our best poker will get your chips eventually anyway.
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| Posted by: gord962 at June 14, 2006, 9:55 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
My two cents:
With a freeroll there is nothing to lose, so why not go all-in? You didn't put $5 or $20 on the line so who cares?? As Chuck said, if you can double or triple up in the first hand go for it. If you bust out, sign up for the next one and see what you can do. If I have doubled or tripled up on the first hand I can then play my normal tight style, bully the small stacks around and dominate the table with monster hands. If you take freerolls serious and the all-in people are on your donk list, then you are going to be severely disappointed every time when some donk calls you down and rivers you out at some point in the freeroll tourney. Most people know you have to double up early in these things to be successful and will push with any hand on the first hand, hence why there is so many people doing this on the ery first hand. To play 5 hours on a poker stars freeroll to get a ticket to a weekly touney is a lot of time to invest, so I better have a lot of chips early.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at June 14, 2006, 8:53 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
AA or KK first hand, you definitely want an all in call, though pushing all in is probably a bad play with it unless you're sure someone is going to call you. You get such small alue from the hand if everyone folds.
I don't completely disagree with starfall - FRs run every 1/2 hour at some sites, and gambling with a suited baby ace or small pocket pair or any hand for that matter isn't a bad idea if it can give you a 4000 chip stack within the first 30 seconds of a tournament.
agh...i just think it's stupid applying common strategy to freerolls. It just doesn't work - just because a person raised, it doesn't mean he has a decent hand, just because a person is all in, doesn't mean he has a premium hand. It's near impossible pinning these people on hands because most of them will push with any pocket pair, or ace, or king or queen for that matter. I've seen much worse (as i'm sure all of you have) They're just absolute donkfests, and you basically need a shtload of luck to beat them as there ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Arjonius at June 14, 2006, 6:37 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
There may be no reconciling the differences between the play tight early and go all in early points of iew. However, I did see a thought-provoking article a while back on Cardplayer. Basically, it said if you double your starting stack in less than 50% of the tournaments you enter by playing your normal game, then it's right to take a coin flip for all your chips early since doing so will double you up half the time compared to less than half if you play normally. If you accept this line of thinking, it can certainly be extended to situations other than coin flips.
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| Posted by: t1riel at June 14, 2006, 5:42 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by whatsdabet
t1riel, I didnt find it anywhere, I am the author but, I did realize that you had something ery familiar to it, but I dont know if it pertained to freerolls or not..... It took me forever to write all that!
I like to believe you...but I can't.
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| Posted by: wsorbust at June 14, 2006, 5:42 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
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Wooot! you've won what?? the small rinky dink blinds on a donk move..
lol....weeeeee! 15 chips....! If you weren't in the blind to begin with!
If you're doing that in a free roll and you expect to win then you should probably learn 7-card stud or tittlywinks, then come back when you've learned something...(something being: Not to come back playing No Limit Hold'em) . I know it doesn't make sense. But, hey! Neither does going all-in in the first hand!
....it seems to me that Whatsdabet was a little obsessed with getting the coveted free roll password. . . who knows why. . . but, from his/her's previous posts, I highly doubt any of the first post in the thread is original.
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| Posted by: twizzybop at June 14, 2006, 5:41 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Ok for giggles lets say you do go all in 1st hand and this does and will happen.. The whole table folds to you... Wooot! you've won what?? the small rinky dink blinds on a donk move..
Now lets say someone calls and you were knocked out.. Just think maybe 2 hands later or even 10-15 hands later you were supposed to be dealt a top ten pre flop hand. Can't learn any patience if you are going all-in on the 1st hand.
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| Posted by: whatsdabet at June 14, 2006, 5:37 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
t1riel, I didnt find it anywhere, I am the author but, I did realize that you had something ery familiar to it, but I dont know if it pertained to freerolls or not..... It took me forever to write all that!
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| Posted by: whatsdabet at June 14, 2006, 5:35 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
I defientely agree with WSORBUST because you have like a 100% chance that someone is going to call your first hand all in bet! I mean it is almost guaranteed, try it at any poker room (in a freeroll) and see what happens!
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| Posted by: wsorbust at June 14, 2006, 5:23 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
Going all-in on the first hand is wreckless...and not ery smart, since half the table will go all in with you! ...With NOTHING! Say hello to that bad beat 90% of the time! I'm sorry, but if you're not patient enough to get past the first few hands, without going all in, then you're not going to do well with that huge chip stack anyway.
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| Posted by: starfall at June 14, 2006, 4:52 pm | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
I'd disagree with quite a bit of this. There's a ery good reason for pushing all-in with the first hand of a freeroll - you're trying to quickly build a stack that you can bully with or sit tight with, and if you bust out in the first hand you've wasted almost none of your own time - you just sit back for the next freeroll. This gives you a good headstart on the tourneys where you do hit that first hand, with a minimum of time involved playing the ones where you bust out immediately. When the only thing invested is your time you're much better off taking your first all in shot in the first minute than 30 minutes in, regardless of the 2 hands, because the 30-minute hand wouldn't win 30 times more often than the first hand - so when only time is on the line, minimise your investment on losing efforts.
During, you'll sometimes want to play tight, and sometimes want to push people around with your chip stack. Having an average stack puts you in a much harder position than the big stack - people will wa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: whatsdabet at June 14, 2006, 4:57 am | | Topic: Three easy tips for poker freeroll sucess! Forum: Card Chat |
People often complain that freerolls are to "hard" or to "long" to ever get your times worth out of them. But the fact of the matter is that a freeroll gives you the chance to win free money--with no strings attached. Its what I think is the best part about freerolls, and it is the reason that I have been an avid player in them since my inception into the poker world I have come to love today! With regards to freerolls, I follow three easy steps as such: Patience, Vigilance, and Understanding or PVU. There the three easy steps to freeroll success!
Patience: One must practice patience throughout the freeroll, including but not limited to; before, during, and after.
Before: Before the tournament commences', the freeroller must maintain a being of patience. Dont rush to conclusions or get to antzie before the tournament starts, or you'll be heading for doom before you can say good game. Keep your cool, and DEFIENETLY dont go ALL IN first hand, this is a common misconc... | | Read Entire Entry |
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