| Posted by: MrSticker at September 21, 2006, 7:23 am | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by joosebuck
ill call any raise if i have 10x the raise left in my stack, and so does the initial raiser (10x the raise in his stack left)
Really? Even with 22 & 33?
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| Posted by: joosebuck at September 21, 2006, 4:10 am | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
ill call any raise if i have 10x the raise left in my stack, and so does the initial raisor (10x the raise in his stack left)
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at September 21, 2006, 1:53 am | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
You'll rarely get 8:1 preflop, but I think 3:1 is enough to give some room should you actually hit your set. The money you make when you actually hit your set makes up for your bad pot odds, especially when your opponent is holding a big hand (say a bigger pocket pair, or top pair).
Say it's a 30 chip pot, and it's 10 to call for you. You're getting 3:1 odds; maybe not good enough all by itself to make up for the poor 8:1 odds of hitting your set, but good enough to call. All you'll need to make post-flop is 50 chips to make your preflop call correct. (odds and theory wizards correct me if I'm wrong here)
I don't generally like to call raises with small pairs, but if I have some good reads on my opponent, like say he is ery TAG, then his hand strength is easily identifiable, and I can maybe make a play on him if I don't hit my set. Having position on a raiser is also a must.
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| Posted by: Joe03681 at September 21, 2006, 1:20 am | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
I tried to search for this since I'm sure it's been brought up but couldn't find anything to satisfy me.
..anyway, as always mentioned the hardest hands to play in poker are the mid to small pocket pairs. I absolutely hate calling raises with any kind of pair below 10's or 9's because you almost have to fold when high cards hit the board.
So the question is, what kind of pot odds do you look for to call raises with lower pocket pairs. The chance of hitting a set I believe is 8 to 1, but good luck getting that price. I've been pretty content on getting 4 or 5 to 1 with these kinds of hands.
What would be the most profitable way to play them??
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| Posted by: jpockets at December 7, 2005, 10:56 am | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
I play s n' g's myself and find that I have quite a good return with low pocket pairs in early position, believe it or not! I know it can be a difficult hand to play but I find the following is a good help. I mostly raise 4 or 5 times the BB in the hope of isolating one other player. If this doesn't work I tend to get ery cagey if I don't hit trips on the flop. If it does work I now know that my chances are probably over 50% now unless they have a higher pocket pair which has me in good shape.
I also know that seeing as they called my early position large raise they are probably on AK or a ery good ace(unless they are clueless!!). This means that when the flop comes I have a ery good idea what they are chasing. The chances of them hitting thier ace or king on the flop is about 42%(I think) so again you have a more than 50% chance. Another strong bet should see them off now(don't give them anything close to the odds they need. Very strong and aggressive if you are going to play them otherwise just d... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: colin_147 at December 6, 2005, 11:57 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
Diablo made some ery good points in his post.
A pocket pair is far less attractive in a ring game than an MTT or SnG. The lower the limit, the less attractive they become.
In a ring game, I will normally consider calling a raise with 1 overcard, depending on the preflop play. When a raiser gets raised with overcars, you are most probably beat and should seriously consider folding
PP's in MTT's however are a far different proposion. A raise preflopopwill normally push out a fair few players, and players holding cards like A-rag of KQos are far more likely to lay down to a preflop raise in an MTT than they are in a ring game.
The problem with medium or low PP, especially when you are out of position, is that its ery difficult not to push out a bet, even with overcards on the flop, as you dont want to show a weakness or give the opposing player(s) the opportunity to raise into you
For example, I was at the final table of a 15K MTT a week or so ago, I w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: diabloblanco at December 5, 2005, 9:40 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
Bring them in for a raise if your first in the pot or call a smallish to middle raise if not the first raiser. Obviously your hoping to hit your set on the flop so you don't want to see any overcards. Check your pair if you miss the flop and hope to get a free card off, if you're raised your probably beat and you can get away from your hand. Another option is a continuation bet on the flop if you were the pre-flop aggressor. This keeps the pressure on your opponent and can also give you the same information as your check-fold if your raise is re-raised on the flop.
One mistake I see often is when a player brings in a small pair for a small raise from early to middle position-- for the sake of argument say pocket 3's--and they get three callers including the blinds. The flop misses the 3's but still contains mainly low cards, for example 2-5-7 rainbow. Here is a situation that simply because there are overcards on the board doesn't mean that the pocket 3's are beat. Since the initial raise was... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: titans4ever at December 5, 2005, 7:26 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
Get in cheap and get out fast when they don't hit.
One over card I may take a shot at the pot depending on number of people in the pot post flop.
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| Posted by: soadwes at December 5, 2005, 5:16 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
If i'm short stacked, i'd push all in as well. If i have a substantial stack, i call unraised preflop to see if i hit set, fold otherwise...
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| Posted by: KillerKat at December 5, 2005, 5:10 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
Depends how big the raise was and how small the pocket pair is and how many players are in the game. If I was short stacked I would push all in and hope to get one caller,then your in with a chance. They are useless multiway.
Small pocket pairs are usually rubbish unless they hit to make trips. Then your laughing.
Id call a small raise and definately drop if it didnt improve on the flop especially with two overs.
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| Posted by: t1riel at December 5, 2005, 4:52 pm | | Topic: Pocket pairs Forum: Card Chat |
What would you do when you are dealt low pocket pairs? Anything under 10. I was dealt three pocket pair hands under 10 during in a cash tournament last night and never had much luck with them. Whenever I pay them , the flop has at least two overcards. How would you play them pre-flop when there is already a raise and how would you play them when there is at least two overcards on the flop?
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