| Posted by: spore at October 3, 2006, 5:21 pm | | Topic: "Peeling off" Forum: Card Chat |
FP, great info! It was totally a half-baked theory I had while reading this thread last night, and I had a feeling there was a glaring hole in it somewhere. Now I know where
So, I'll just keep playing like I normally do, lol. Thanks for setting me straight!
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at October 3, 2006, 5:30 am | | Topic: "Peeling off" Forum: Card Chat |
Good morning, Spore!
Nope, it's not a good idea. I wrote a blog post on it awhile back:
http://www.cardschat.com/blog/02/10/...-and-pot-odds/
Have a look at that, let me know what you think.
edit: Additionally, I mention something of a tangent to this in another blog article: http://www.cardschat.com/blog/08/04/...s-1-through-4/
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| Posted by: spore at October 3, 2006, 5:21 am | | Topic: "Peeling off" Forum: Card Chat |
Good advice there FP. I have a question though... with your example of KQ, you're getting about 4:1 on a call on the flop, and prior to this you had advocated not raising preflop. However, in this instance.. had you raised preflop most likely you would have gotten the rest to just call the raise, this would in effect have given you about your target odds to call on your 6-outer (two overs).
So, my (followup) question would be: Is it a good idea to raise preflop in hopes of giving yourself better pot odds on the flop with a hand that is likely to miss the flop.. ie. AK, KQ?
Let's look at this.
It's ~40% to hit a pair on the flop, after that you've got about ~25% to hit by the river, about ~13% to hit on each street. So 13% you need about 7.7:1 to call.
Say there are 4 players to the flop, let's assume that BB/SB are in plus you and somebody in middle position. For simplicity we're playing $1/$2. You've got $4 in the pot if everyone just calls. A bet on the flop would $... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: F Paulsson at September 26, 2006, 5:10 am | | Topic: "Peeling off" Forum: Card Chat |
Depends on which specific overcards I have, if there are any backdoor draws, add in some percentage of the time that my hand is still the best, my position, number of players in the pot...
But if I have overcards that I think have a decent chance to win if I hit one of them, I'm usually looking for immediate pot odds of 8:1 or better, and I want to be the one closing the action (so I don't risk getting raised).
Some examples:
Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) FPaulsson is BB with K♦ Q♣
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, FPaulsson checks.
Flop: 3♦ 8♦ 7♠ (4SB, 4 players)
SB bets, FPaulsson folds.
Raising preflop will only bloat the pot and although I have a decently strong hand, I'm out of position and I don't really have a fighting chance to make anyone fold when they've only called for one bet already. Had the cards be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ChuckTs at September 25, 2006, 11:51 pm | | Topic: "Peeling off" Forum: Card Chat |
For the LHE players out there: How often, or rather with what odds, do you peel the flop with overcards?
I'm still a noob with respect to Limit Holdem, so any input is appreciated.
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