| Posted by: tenbob at November 5, 2006, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrsnake3695
tenbob- why fold the ace,2,6 hand in stud 8? Seems to me you have some pretty good low possibilities, plus the backdoor straight and the ace. I'd see the next card for one small bet.
What you said ^^^^. I literally wrote that post of the top of my head, the hand was supposed to include a card above an 8, so Ace six nine for example.
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at November 5, 2006, 12:57 am | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
I believe the "average" winning hand in stud at a full table is trip 7s. Of course this is average but knowing this should help when looking at your small 2 pair facing a raise or reraise.
tenbob- why fold the ace,2,6 hand in stud 8? Seems to me you have some pretty good low possibilities, plus the backdoor straight and the ace. I'd see the next card for one small bet. If it's a 3,4,5,7 or 8, you have agood chance at half the pot. With a 3, 4 or 5 you have a possible scoop chance. Seems worth a small bet to me. Of course, this would be much better if the ace were suited.
Don't get me wrong the rest is excellent advice and I think I know why you say fold, since you are only looking at half the pot that you might not hit anyway it's not worth it.
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| Posted by: dakota-xx at November 3, 2006, 12:13 am | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by tenbob
7- .
1) Rolled up trips. IE AAA- 444 etc.
General advise is to slowplay a huge hand like this, these hands are rare and its a total disaster to just win the antes. The higher the rolled up hand the more sense it makes to slow play, if you have AAA and come out raising, your likely to get nothing but a rack of folds, because the likelyhood of someone else having an Ace is low. Slow play until 5th then play fast.
Smaller rolled up hands against agressive players will sometimes get you paid off, with someone boarding a King and raising, ill reraise with hands from 999-222 and play ery fast throught the hand.
EDIT : MISSED ONE. Ill do it later, guess which group ?
Playing now and this one helped me out already. Got 999 - first time I ever got trips on first 3 cards. High cards were showing so I raised and played it fast. Several players stayed with me and I won a nice pot - though was worried about straights and flus... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tenbob at November 2, 2006, 8:48 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
7- Card stud is seen by many, as a much more complex game than Texas Holdem and requires just as much if not more study, so a small post like this is by no means a total guide, just some of my own guidelines.
We can break down the starting hands into several distinct groups.
1) Rolled up trips. IE AAA- 444 etc.
General advise is to slowplay a huge hand like this, these hands are rare and its a total disaster to just win the antes. The higher the rolled up hand the more sense it makes to slow play, if you have AAA and come out raising, your likely to get nothing but a rack of folds, because the likelyhood of someone else having an Ace is low. Slow play until 5th then play fast.
Smaller rolled up hands against agressive players will sometimes get you paid off, with someone boarding a King and raising, ill reraise with hands from 999-222 and play ery fast throught the hand.
In Stud8, ill generally play all rolled up hands ery fast from the outset and hope to get a do... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dakota-xx at November 1, 2006, 10:14 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrsnake3695
A couple of things about stud. If you are playing with 3 suited cards or 3 straight cards to start you should usually check/fold if the 4th cards doesn't hit. Why? Well if it does hit, you have 3 cards left to make one card to win, if you miss you have 3 cards left and you need 2 of them to hit to win, not ery good odds and a losing proposition long term. Chasing is death in stud considering players with big pairs or 2 pairs will usually call all the way down unless you are showing a huge scary board.
When you believe you have the winning hand, bet bet bet. Make the fishies pay to chase. NO FREE CARDS EVER.
Thanks MrSnake!
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at November 1, 2006, 9:14 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
A couple of things about stud. If you are playing with 3 suited cards or 3 straight cards to start you should usually check/fold if the 4th cards doesn't hit. Why? Well if it does hit, you have 3 cards left to make one card to win, if you miss you have 3 cards left and you need 2 of them to hit to win, not ery good odds and a losing proposition long term. Chasing is death in stud considering players with big pairs or 2 pairs will usually call all the way down unless you are showing a huge scary board.
When you believe you have the winning hand, bet bet bet. Make the fishies pay to chase. NO FREE CARDS EVER.
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| Posted by: dakota-xx at October 31, 2006, 12:03 am | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
Once your in a hand keep betting it til the end - they'll either fold, have a worse hand than you or beat you, but you'll win more than 50%.
Thanks Rob - this part might be my problem. I think I might bale out too often - having already put in too many chips.
(ps - on a side note - whew!!! finally got us a win!!!!)
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| Posted by: robwhufc at October 30, 2006, 3:47 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
For some reason I cut through the Full Tilt HORSE SnG's like a knife through butter winning something like 15 of my first 20. Not played them so much lately (like you, the S and the E are the least appealing rounds and seem to go on for ages - why not H Hold em, O Omaha, R Razz, S Stud and E Omaha Eight or better? )). The way i tended to play them was to push the action all the way, and play loads of hands - you might as well get your money's worth and a lot of the other players are like you - have one or 2 favourite rounds, and shut up shop for the ones they dont like.
On the S round, you can win a nice number of pots uncontested by completing the bet if you are late position and have a showing A or K - i'm sure a lot of opponents will know you're stealing, but if they've got trash there's nothing they can do about it. With other hands, lower your starting hand requirements a notch (as per the other rounds) - 3 cards 10 or above, a high pair, 3 of the same suit. Once your in a hand keep bettin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dakota-xx at October 30, 2006, 12:22 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by tenbob
Ill post herre when i sober up
Good - was hoping to hear from you on this! But sobriety would be appreciated.
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| Posted by: Bombjack at October 29, 2006, 10:24 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
One of the problems I found with some of the stud games (notably PartyPoker) is that at low limits, the level of the antes compared with the bring-in and complete bets is far too big, which means your strategy should be to play more hands because the pot is giving you better odds. So it's not as simple as hold'em because the size of the antes and bring-in compared to the big bets influences your strategy. Just try to find a game where this ratio is similar to that in your HORSE game, which should give a similar level of looseness, and preferably as low as possible while you're practicing.
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| Posted by: dakota-xx at October 29, 2006, 3:11 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Bombjack
Well, the key to stud is choosing the right starting hands... high pairs and overcards to the board being ery important. There are lots of stud strategy articles online you can read up on... try reading some of these and finding a low limit stud cash game you can practice on.
Thanks. I thought about the idea of practicing stud in a low limit game but I was afraid too many people would play too many hands and it would confuse me. How low could I start and hopefully avoid that?
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| Posted by: Bombjack at October 29, 2006, 3:00 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
Well, the key to stud is choosing the right starting hands... high pairs and overcards to the board being ery important. There are lots of stud strategy articles online you can read up on... try reading some of these and finding a low limit stud cash game you can practice on.
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| Posted by: dakota-xx at October 29, 2006, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Horse/7-card stud Forum: Card Chat |
I need some help. I have been playing Horse a lot lately and love the game. I have done okay - probably breaking about even on it. What keeps me from winning are the 7-card stud hands and sometimes the 7-card hi-lo. I try to avoid playing them - but temptation gets me and I usually lose a lot of chips.
Any tips for me? I usually play low limit sng's and 50/1.00 ring games. I played my first horse MTT last night and finished in top half but well out of the money. How should I ary my strategy for the ring games and the MTT's.
I played only sng's for over a year (Limit and NL holdem) - so need to spread my wings a bit.
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