| Posted by: Bill_Hollorian at January 24, 2007, 11:59 pm | | Topic: calling out a stack-bluff in a live game Forum: Card Chat |
In bigger games, it is up to the players in the hand to call it or not.
In smaller games it is usualy up to the dealers, and floor.
See it is an angle shot to be sure. The thing is if I know the dealer will call it, I can safely take the shot. As it is a house rule I can trust is enforced by the house.
If it is left up to the players, they may choose to let me slide as you did, until it is advantageous for them to call me out on it. Now, I may be punished for my angle shot.
And that insures noone gets free angles.
In smaller games it is usually up to the house as these are considered entry level, and players may get angled without being aware. so the house watches out for them a bit.
As for giving him a warning, no way. This is not an etiquette issue. He is trying to doing something against the rules and you ensure he doesnt.
Bill H.
ps if you are NOT in a hand, you should not call it, as the player may or may not want to pick off the a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zebranky at January 24, 2007, 11:54 pm | | Topic: calling out a stack-bluff in a live game Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by mrsnake3695
Yes it is absolutly appropriate. If he is warned once in case he just didn't know the rule and he continues to do it then by all means call him out. And great timing on calling him out too. Getting him when you had a monster was great and I hope a lesson to him but i doubt it.
I say way to go, although it really should have been the dealers place to enforce the rule not yours but since the dealer obviously wasn't you were well within your rights.
And actually you can also do it even if you are not in the hand, protecting the field is perfectly legitamite, although waiting until you had him was much better for you.
Maybe its just where I play - but they stick by the guns that if you're not in the hand, you cannot make objections (ie, stack bluffing, string bets, misdeals, anything). Basically, if the live hands are letting a person get away with these small infractions, its a "no harm, no foul."
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| Posted by: mrsnake3695 at January 24, 2007, 11:41 pm | | Topic: calling out a stack-bluff in a live game Forum: Card Chat |
Yes it is absolutly appropriate. If he is warned once in case he just didn't know the rule and he continues to do it then by all means call him out. And great timing on calling him out too. Getting him when you had a monster was great and I hope a lesson to him but i doubt it.
I say way to go, although it really should have been the dealers place to enforce the rule not yours but since the dealer obviously wasn't you were well within your rights.
And actually you can also do it even if you are not in the hand, protecting the field is perfectly legitamite, although waiting until you had him was much better for you.
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| Posted by: zebranky at January 24, 2007, 11:08 pm | | Topic: calling out a stack-bluff in a live game Forum: Card Chat |
so, for online players, this doesn't apply.
However, for us live players, this is an interesting point on etiquette and the rules.
In California (and Las Vegas), the basic rule on a bet is that any forward motion of chips (ie, a hand holding chips) from your stack is considered a bet. Some casinos set a specific distance (2 inches, 5 cm, whatever), but the basic idea is that any chips that move forward are part of your bet unless you erbally declare your bet before moving them.
Last night, I had one guy constantly "stack bluffing." He'd pull one stack of 20 chips out of his main stack, hold it well forward of the rest of his chips, look around, put the stack down (well forward of any "minimum distance") on the betting area, look around, and then lift all but 2 or 3 chips back off the table and put them back in his main stack. Locally, this is known as stack bluffing - trying to gauge your opponents reaction to a large bet/raise without committing to doing it. It... | | Read Entire Entry |
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