| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 3:37 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Effexor
This was the point I was trying to get at, and even though the thread got 'jacked ;P, TY for the reply titans.
Even though you might be playing like a rock, super tight, a rush of cards may skew the others opinion of you. By paying attention to what your own image is, you may be able to use that to your advantage.
sorry about that .
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| Posted by: Effexor at May 31, 2007, 1:13 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by titans4ever
When a player is raising alot you really need to see what cards they have at the showdown to see if it is loose play or a rush of cards. There is a big difference. A rock can raise 4 out of 5 hands once is awhile when the cards keep coming. The difference is the rock will always have a good hand while you can catch the loose player with mediocre cards once in awhile.
This was the point I was trying to get at, and even though the thread got 'jacked ;P, TY for the reply titans.
Even though you might be playing like a rock, super tight, a rush of cards may skew the others opinion of you. By paying attention to what your own image is, you may be able to use that to your advantage.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 7:21 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Shizzle
\I play tight but i want to have a loose playing image but still maintain my tight playing style . how can I do that without being overly loose. Once I am loose it is hard for me to going back to playing tight. then i get on tilt mode.
im going to move this and start a new one in different section so it actully will get responses.
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| Posted by: Shizzle at May 31, 2007, 7:13 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Thank you for the welcome,
and Adam I beleive you that you do win one or two tourneys a day,Luckily you did not say how much.I think you win at the lower stakes sit and goes, and maybe some MTT maybe in some of your other forum freerolls or private buy in
Maybe you sit at the coumputer for 8 to 12 hours a day of course your gonna hit at least win one tourney or sit and go..Adam you were ery careful of what u said on your posts your one of those players that likes to get people aroused. I was thinking about the posts again. There again I believe u do well in cash games, well it depends on how you define well
ifyou were at a micro game lets say 1 and 2 cents and you put 1 dollar in and made it 2 or even 3 dollars. I guess u can say that is doing(hahaha) well in cash game. Remeber he never said if was a good player he just said he does well, that can mean many things.. Adam what are you up to. you tricky little thing you. Well my table of image of you adam is you want people to thin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shizzle at May 31, 2007, 6:28 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Hello, I was reading adam's post and what you guys were responding to he was ery ague on his post.
Well,he might have or might not have win one or two tourneys a day,He never said how much money he spent on the tourney , he never said if it was a sit and go or a MMT player tourney,he never said what all the sites he played on or if it was a private freeroll that had a limit number of players all the time. It could be a play money tourney or a play sit a and go. I think the main thing that he meant all tho i could be wrong is that he does not want to fit a certain table image maybe he meant, he likes to mix it up.
I think he said something like he doesnt play on stars that much he just mostly goes to the casino's I could be wrong...He never said he was a poker pro.Maybe he plays the 1/2NL or 3/6 holdem
Whether I believe hiim or not,
He could might as well win one or two tourneys maybe like a play money (hahaha) or like a real cheap sit and go.. I really dont believe him but... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:56 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
ok let me name some of the top online pros and for the hell of it lets pokerdb them to see if they make 2 tourney wins a day.
mkind0516 - cardrunner guest pro, one of my teachers -
over 200k in tourney wins on stars
1018 tourney, 54 final tables, 7 wins
his last tourney win was 4-14-07
welp not 2 wins a day so you must be better then him right?
annette_15 - regarded one of the best players online right now, #4 on pocket fives best players and is usually always on there. She has to have 2 tourney wins a day right because she is one of the best lets see.
1286 tourneys, 76 final tables and 19 wins and over 700k in tourney wins
last tourney win was 5-29 but wait thats only 1 tourny win and she had 3 cashes on the 24th but they were not wins.
well crap you are better then annette, how is this possible?
ok I know lets look at johnnybax for sure he has to average 2 tourney wins a day right!
johnnybax - always on poketfives... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joosebuck at May 31, 2007, 4:49 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
by the way 20% ITM is freaking great.
thanks, it was actually higher but i played a shitload of the sunday million DS tournies trying to get into the 250k added sunday mil, as well as the WSOP $650 satty DS's and just had a terrible run.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:26 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
now you got me in the mood to play the sunday major on stars, damit this deposit better work tuesday and expect to see me in every sunday major on stars.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:23 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by joosebuck
guess they havent
http://www.cardschat.com/f46/joosebu...-ft-11k-85424/
I thought so, give it a couple days and it should be crazy. I plan on taking down some in next couple weeks I got lots of catching up to do.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:20 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by joosebuck
my pokerdb is pretty sick lately storms, check it out
its got you at 4k on stars? shouldnt it be more or have they just not updated yet?
see you like the rebuys.
by the way 20% ITM is freaking great.
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| Posted by: joosebuck at May 31, 2007, 4:20 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
guess they havent
http://www.cardschat.com/f46/joosebu...-ft-11k-85424/
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:18 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by joosebuck
my pokerdb is pretty sick lately storms, check it out
I bet it is big money
I really think im going to start trying to qualify for sunday majors or just buy in.
looking now.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:14 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
here,
as you see I havent played any tourneys in 4 months, been kinda busy planning baby and all this year.
you are also welcome to look at my sharkscope.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 4:11 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by addam00
frist of all you dont know me.. and where I play and how much I pay for tourneys...or what tourneys i win... or not.. you dont see me playing everywere live or online... its my buiness what i do and I know myself.. i am not gonna respond to anymore of message.. casue I know me and you can think what you want... I am happy were I am at.. and I play all levels of games.. but i play live mostly.. you can think I dont win 1 or 2 tourneys a day.. but I really dont care what you think anymore.. i am me.. I shouldnt even be responding to your posts.. in realalty i dont care what you think..
periods work real well when you write, wow. Anytime you win anything online it is tracked, anything! so honestly we do know what you win. Live ok I give you that, its not tracked unless it was for player of the year points that is tracked. Its real simple we know you dont win 1 to 2 tournaments a day just by the way you talk about strategy posts. Hell I will do y... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: addam00 at May 31, 2007, 4:03 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
frist of all you dont know me.. and where I play and how much I pay for tourneys...or what tourneys i win... or not.. you dont see me playing everywere live or online... its my buiness what i do and I know myself.. i am not gonna respond to anymore of message.. casue I know me and you can think what you want... I am happy were I am at.. and I play all levels of games.. but i play live mostly.. you can think I dont win 1 or 2 tourneys a day.. but I really dont care what you think anymore.. i am me.. I shouldnt even be responding to your posts.. in realalty i dont care what you think..
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 3:54 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by addam00
first of all I dont play on poker stars on regular basis.. second of all I have other user names i go by thrid of I play live at casinos more then online..
and you dont matter to me.. to take your time to look up someone up.. you must have no life....Poker is not my life.. and i dont take anything people say seriously or what i write seriously.....
it takes all of 3 seconds to look you up I dont think that means I have no life. I just think it is sad you can not just come clean and say that you really dont play the levels you admit to. I know all you screen names from another forum. You at best are a micro limit grinder and there is nothing at all wrong with that. I just cant stand the lies.
I enjoy this forum and the people around it most are stand up guys, you are new here just dont want to see you get off on the wrong foot. Most of the things you have posted are jibberish and not thought out at all which is why I expected... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joosebuck at May 31, 2007, 3:53 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
so then by association you have such little life that you have to lie about success on an online forum?
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| Posted by: addam00 at May 31, 2007, 3:49 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
first of all I dont play on poker stars on regular basis.. second of all I have other user names i go by thrid of I play live at casinos more then online..
and you dont matter to me.. to take your time to look up someone up.. you must have no life....Poker is not my life.. and i dont take anything people say seriously or what i write seriously.....
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 3:37 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by aliengenius
He hides it "discretly" (sic), are you not paying attention?
what is funny is I just googled his name bubblebut which he posted is one of his screen names in this forum.
I got 2 more of his screen names off another forum ran all those names through thepokerdb and we have zero cashes in any tournaments at all. I dont mind having discussions here but I can not stand people who lie about how good they are to try to fit in or make sense of bonehead statments.
its a normal thing though someone dosent agree with something and they go into the well I win this and I win that so I must be right.
im running it through sharkscope now because according to his info there he dosent play major sites just stuff like cake and bugsys.
ok so poker.com we have... 78 played, average profit $1, ROI -100% (lol), profit $53
ok i just searched him out and there are like no refrenses through google about h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aliengenius at May 31, 2007, 3:29 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by stormswa
you hide your style you dont think the players are smart enough to pick up on your weak/tight image or nitty image?
He hides it "discretly" (sic), are you not paying attention?
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 31, 2007, 2:40 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by addam00
Short time.. Okie been playing for 5 years... and i usally win 1 or 2 tourneys a day online and do well in cash games.. but really dont care how other people play.. just as long as i am doing good..and If i did have a stle of play or certain table image. i would discretly hide it..
since you win like 1-2 tourneys a day you must be millionare. I take it since you are so experienced you play the sunday majors. So that means every sunday you are bringing in like what 500K? because sunday on stars 1st is usually like 150k, tilts is usually like 50k at least and Ultimatebet is around the same. I guess you play poker for a living then?
if you dont play the sunday majors all I can say is why the hell not? if you like you said win like 2 tournaments a day you should be. I mean why dont you get in touch with cardrunners and be a guest pro? by the way what is your player id? because I searched addam00 and got zero cashes so that cant be it. So... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: addam00 at May 30, 2007, 4:51 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Short time.. Okie been playing for 5 years... and i usally win 1 or 2 tourneys a day online and do well in cash games.. but really dont care how other people play.. just as long as i am doing good..and If i did have a stle of play or certain table image. i would discretly hide it..
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 30, 2007, 4:45 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by addam00
I just dont.. my style is that I have no style of play and dont pay atttenion to to much.. won 3 tourneys yesterday incuding wsoof game #8 and did well in cash games....
was going to make some witty response about how short time success dosent mean much but guess I will give it time and let you learn that by yourself. GL when the rush ends.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 30, 2007, 4:02 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by addam00
I really dont pay attention to peoples table images.. I just play my style and let people think one thing and then i make them think another thing.
man im picking on you on two different threads?
how can you not pay attention to how others precieve you? How do you steal blinds if you have no idea how people think you play. Great you play your style but you know your style should change when the blinds get bigger and certain situations appear. I mean you go to steal the blinds from the button, do you take into account what the people in blinds have seen you show down? maybe you should think twice about raising the blinds and fold a couple buttons to make it appear to be letting them walk because you have nothing and then 3rd time raise it with 9-2.
you see this way they will think ok this guy has given me 2 walks he must be playing tight and now he raises he must be strong. Or better yet some dude raises your blind and you re... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: addam00 at May 30, 2007, 3:28 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
I really dont pay attention to peoples table images.. I just play my style and let people think one thing and then i make them think another thing.
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| Posted by: titans4ever at May 30, 2007, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
When a player is raising alot you really need to see what cards they have at the showdown to see if it is loose play or a rush of cards. There is a big difference. A rock can raise 4 out of 5 hands once is awhile when the cards keep coming. The difference is the rock will always have a good hand while you can catch the loose player with mediocre cards once in awhile.
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| Posted by: aliengenius at May 30, 2007, 2:14 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
I find that people often confuse aggression with looseness.
Because you raise when you open a pot it calls more attention to you than those who limp (the more common scenario/action by your opponents at this level).
So even if you fold most of your hands the fish see you as ery active because of the isibility of the (unusual to/for them) occurrence of a raise.
ps $1 + 0.25 = 25% ig = unacceptably high.
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| Posted by: stormswa at May 29, 2007, 2:49 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by ChuckTs
There's your reason right there
Really not sure what illain was doing here, maybe got bored
chuck you beat me to it!!!!
I need to stop working doubles so I can get to these before you.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at May 29, 2007, 2:12 am | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Effexor
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530068783: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (19240114), Table 2 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:12:12 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: Effexor (2,685)
Seat 2: badjjj (1,140)
Seat 3: Jordan_Lang (6,475)
Seat 4: flossum (1,470)
Seat 5: pwhitey (1,180)
Seat 6: BullDogWCU (355)
Seat 7: Jar450 (535)
Seat 9: nrgagent (1,425)
badjjj posts the small blind of 30
Jordan_Lang posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Effexor [Ah Qc]
flossum calls 60
pwhitey calls 60
BullDogWCU folds
Jar450 raises to 535, and is all in
nrgagent folds
Effexor raises to 2,685, and is all in
badjjj calls 1,110, and is all in
Jordan_Lang folds
flossum folds
pwhitey folds
Effexor shows [Ah Qc]
badjjj shows [5c 8d]
Jar450 shows [Ad 3d]
Uncalled bet of 1,545 returned to Effexor
*** FLOP *** [4d 6d Qs]
*** TURN *** [4d 6d Qs] 8♣... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tigertight at May 28, 2007, 11:59 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
table image is ery important in poker if you got a tight one you might be able to take down a nice pot because people are afraid you might got a monster hand. i like to keep a extremely tight table image.
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| Posted by: shinedown.45 at May 28, 2007, 10:42 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Who really cares if you cant c-bet, it may be useful at times but your image is perfect if you want to make money in the long run, if no-one believes you have a hand, then so be it, those players will be the ones that will pay you off, and when they do and you show your hand they will have to respect your raises in upcoming hands for fear of losing a large chunk of chips.
Its a ++ IMO, the first + being that in the long run, you'll get more respect for your bets and will be able to steal more often when in position and the second + being that when you push and someone else pushes back then you'll have a better Idea of what another person is holding and may find it easier to make a big laydown.
Just don't change your image at all, if it works for you, go with it and never question your own play if its +e in the long run.
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| Posted by: Effexor at May 28, 2007, 10:08 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
I thought I was just playing my normal TAG style, raising good hands, pretty standard stuff, then this hand occurred..
Keep in mind the table was playing tight up to this point and reraises always scared people off so I was trying to just isolate the initial raiser.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530068783: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (19240114), Table 2 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:12:12 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: Effexor (2,685)
Seat 2: badjjj (1,140)
Seat 3: Jordan_Lang (6,475)
Seat 4: flossum (1,470)
Seat 5: pwhitey (1,180)
Seat 6: BullDogWCU (355)
Seat 7: Jar450 (535)
Seat 9: nrgagent (1,425)
badjjj posts the small blind of 30
Jordan_Lang posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Effexor [Ah Qc]
flossum calls 60
pwhitey calls 60
BullDogWCU folds
Jar450 raises to 535, and is all in
nrgagent folds
Effexor raises to 2,685, and is all in
badjjj calls 1,110, and is all in
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| Posted by: thwizzofoz at March 26, 2007, 7:26 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Table image is important online only when you are to the point where you are in the position to cash out.
Prior to that games are usually spent trying to establish an "anti-image". This anti-image allows you to use deception as a tool in the later stages of the game. For example if you hesitate always when you bluff in the early stages of a game, practically speaking you should not hesitate when you bluff later, using your table image against the table.
I once in a while will not much a good bluff, where I might muck my pocket AA. This gives the idea that I do bluff and am more likely to be called when I do have a monster hand. Without establishing a table image, this does not work.
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| Posted by: Colosal26 at March 26, 2007, 5:24 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadoneD1
By the way, what is "TAG"?
TAG means Tight Agressive and to be on topic table image on my iew matters if you play pretty big stakes, at micro limits for exemple(where i play) table image doesn`t matter almost at all .
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| Posted by: DeadoneD1 at March 25, 2007, 9:11 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by reglardave
Players who aren't paying attention to play at the table should become easy meat eventually
That said, I confess that most of my posting/reading here at CC is during online play.
THATS FUNNY............
I watch t and play sng's all the time
i have played so many hours of online poker that it seems im on auto pilot
i pay more attention when it gets close to the $$
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| Posted by: reglardave at March 25, 2007, 9:05 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Players who aren't paying attention to play at the table should become easy meat eventually
That said, I confess that most of my posting/reading here at CC is during online play.
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| Posted by: baloney at March 18, 2007, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Table image Forum: Card Chat |
Guess it depends on the stakes, I know that when I multi-table. I am still struggling to take every possible note I can on players who are involved in hands that go to showdown.
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