| Posted by: OzExorcist at October 11, 2007, 2:17 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by guy incognito
One of my friends doesn't play online but he does play regularly at Crown. He got caught out the other day by, let's say an "unscrupulous" character, who had my friend convinced he had won the hand and his put his hand down in front of him. the illian called it a mucked hand and my friend, although holding the best hand, lost the pot.
do you deal of Crown, Oz? I'm in SA but keen to head over for some live action soon
Yep - angle shooting like that is sure as hell unscrupulous, but there's at least one in every card room. The biggest problem for online players is that they wouldn't even be aware that rules like that exist.
The games I deal are corporate events and pub games, BTW - the biggest problem with dealing at Crown is that dealers aren't allowed to play there
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| Posted by: guy incognito at October 11, 2007, 2:06 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
some good points there Oz.
One of my friends doesn't play online but he does play regularly at Crown. He got caught out the other day by, let's say an "unscrupulous" character, who had my friend convinced he had won the hand and his put his hand down in front of him. the illian called it a mucked hand and my friend, although holding the best hand, lost the pot.
do you deal of Crown, Oz? I'm in SA but keen to head over for some live action soon
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| Posted by: Kick The Bucket at August 14, 2007, 10:30 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Cheers for the help, mate. Think I'll be pretty nervous but I'm going for the experience really. Could get lucky though!
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| Posted by: OzExorcist at August 14, 2007, 1:42 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
LOL - gawd knows who we'd name the chatting rule after at our regular game
Another one that can't hurt too (some places insist on it, others just make it optional) is to 'cap' your cards if you're going to play the hand. It means putting something on top of your cards, to say to the dealer "don't muck these cards, I'm playing them".
It can be something as easy as a chip. Or a toy shark, if you're Humberto Brenes. Or a disposable cigarette lighter if you're like that George "Crete Forever" guy and think the Aviation Club is just too classy and needs to be brought down a notch
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| Posted by: daxter70 at August 14, 2007, 1:25 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by OzExorcist
Sure thing. Note that these rules are pretty much universal, but some casinos or card rooms (and especially home games) might alter them, so you might need to check with your dealer / friendly floor person
1. A string bet is when you put chips out to make a bet in more than one motion (ie: put a pile of chips on the table without a erbal announcement, then reach back to your stack and put a second pile of chips out).
What will happen in most cases is that only the first amount you put on the table will be allowed to stand as your bet - if that's under the size of the current bet / minimum, it'll normally be ruled a call and you'll have to put in enough to call, but no more.
The reasoning behind the rule is you could in theory put out one pile of chips and watch your opponent, then keep adding chips (or stop adding chips) if you pick up a tell.
There's an easy way around this one - just make sure you erbally announ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: OzExorcist at August 14, 2007, 1:05 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Kick The Bucket
Playing in a live tourney for the first time this friday. Could you explain those rules that you mention please? Not too sure about them.
Sure thing. Note that these rules are pretty much universal, but some casinos or card rooms (and especially home games) might alter them, so you might need to check with your dealer / friendly floor person
1. A string bet is when you put chips out to make a bet in more than one motion (ie: put a pile of chips on the table without a erbal announcement, then reach back to your stack and put a second pile of chips out).
What will happen in most cases is that only the first amount you put on the table will be allowed to stand as your bet - if that's under the size of the current bet / minimum, it'll normally be ruled a call and you'll have to put in enough to call, but no more.
The reasoning behind the rule is you could in theory put out one pile of chips and watch your oppone... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: daxter70 at August 13, 2007, 11:45 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by muddawgg
in someone else's post they suggested not looking at your cards until your turn..i thought that made good sence..people can't get a read that act before you
ALWAYS!!!
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| Posted by: muddawgg at August 13, 2007, 11:40 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
in someone else's post they suggested not looking at your cards until your turn..i thought that made good sence..people can't get a read that act before you
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at August 13, 2007, 7:35 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by bob_tiger
no thats gambling and risking yr whole stack and hoping someone will fold, after one or two hands it will be obvious.
Nope, it's called good poker. You're obviously not going to be shoving a 30BB stack, but LP steals are essential, and are especially effective against newer players who don't know what you're doing.
nice tips btw, storm.
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| Posted by: TheJace at August 13, 2007, 7:11 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Sounds like this guy I saw on a WSOP final table the other night. It was a 2006 table I think and his name was "All-In Tony" Cuz he'd basically either fold or move all-in pretty much. Knocked out in 2nd. It was kinda funny cuz if he didn't go all-in other people would raise him and most of the time he'd fold.
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| Posted by: tufat23 at August 13, 2007, 4:59 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by bob_tiger
no thats gambling and risking yr whole stack and hoping someone will fold, after one or two hands it will be obvious.
lol
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| Posted by: bob_tiger at August 13, 2007, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
yes i definitely agree with this stormswa....lets say u get AA preflop, never grab yr chips to quickly to make a raise, becuase the other players will figure out that you have a big hand. also always look at the flop and immediatly look at your opponent and see how he/she acts. if they kind of sit back and this doesnt go to everyone, about 90% of the time it means they missed the flop, if their head is kind hmm how should i say this close to the table and their eyes are kind of looking at the flop, means they either hit something or they are on a good draw. well there are a lot more things that you have to pay attention for but you will eventually learn everything if you just pay attention to how everyone acts.
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| Posted by: bob_tiger at August 13, 2007, 4:39 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by tufat23
shove lots in later stages from late position. no one wants to make a bad call for their tournament life, so exploit that and shove ery wide
no thats gambling and risking yr whole stack and hoping someone will fold, after one or two hands it will be obvious.
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| Posted by: tufat23 at August 13, 2007, 4:30 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
shove lots in later stages from late position. no one wants to make a bad call for their tournament life, so exploit that and shove ery wide
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| Posted by: Kick The Bucket at August 13, 2007, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by OzExorcist
If I can offer a few others:
Learn the rules of the game
Not what hand beats what and who acts when, but the actual mechanics of the game. Do you know what a string bet is? Do you know what happens if you muck your winning hand before the loser gives up their cards? Do you know what happens if you throw out one oversize chip without erbalising your action? Do you know which is binding - what you do, or what you say?
Chances are, if you've only played online you won't have come across most of this stuff (I'm a live game dealer, BTW, so happy to explain any of the above if anyone's unfamiliar) and experienced live players can use it against you.
Try not to get bored
Again, if you're used to playing online, be aware that you'll be playing a lot less hands per hour live. Some people get the temptation to stray away from their usual game just because they haven't played a hand in the past half hour - try not t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: OzExorcist at August 13, 2007, 5:31 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
If I can offer a few others:
Learn the rules of the game
Not what hand beats what and who acts when, but the actual mechanics of the game. Do you know what a string bet is? Do you know what happens if you muck your winning hand before the loser gives up their cards? Do you know what happens if you throw out one oversize chip without erbalising your action? Do you know which is binding - what you do, or what you say?
Chances are, if you've only played online you won't have come across most of this stuff (I'm a live game dealer, BTW, so happy to explain any of the above if anyone's unfamiliar) and experienced live players can use it against you.
Try not to get bored
Again, if you're used to playing online, be aware that you'll be playing a lot less hands per hour live. Some people get the temptation to stray away from their usual game just because they haven't played a hand in the past half hour - try not to let that happen. Use the time to study your opponents... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheJace at August 13, 2007, 4:32 am | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
"Otherwards we can not pick up tells from someone by asking them what they ate for breakfast this morning."
Hahahaha thats funny as hell. Anyway just thought I'd post since no one else replied. Yeah these are good tips for new players and here is an interesting article by Howard Lederer with an interesting tip for live play as well, which I found funny. Online Poker at Full Tilt Poker - How To Play - Pro Tips Archive
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| Posted by: stormswa at August 3, 2007, 4:50 pm | | Topic: Live tourney tips Forum: Card Chat |
ok so you are real new to playing live tourneys and this is your start up guide.
1. watch your opponents every chance you get, people that are new to live poker and even some eterans can not control themselves when they look at their hole cards and will often tip off the strength of their hands when they see their hole cards. This also goes for the flop, turn and river.
2. Dont act to quickly, Justin Bonomo is a pro at this. When action gets to him he does not act right away he thinks and thinks and thinks. He is what you call a thinking player. He watches you, looks at his cards then looks at board then looks at you again. This is ery nerve racking to you and he can pick up how comfortable you are with your hand this way.
3. Get a good nights sleep, dont wake up at 7am after going to bed at 2am and drive a couple hours to go play. We need our brains to be working 100% and if you are playing on ery little sleep it just wont work. Same can be said for drinking while you are pla... | | Read Entire Entry |
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