| Posted by: redrocks at December 17, 2006, 10:52 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote: But NEVERFORGET the players are much tougher at Absolute. It will reduce your BB/100 but at least 1.0 over some softer sites.
In the end its just a judgement call as to where u should play.
I mostly play 1/2 sh limit at Absolute and I don't think the players are that tough. That's not to say that there can't be some very good players on certain tables. When I spot too many of these players I leave and find a looser table. There are quite a few fish and even some maniacs on Absolute at 1/2 sh lim. Full ring is often tight. When the merger with Ultimate goes through it should get softer. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AC_Jeff at December 17, 2006, 2:34 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | I was focused on the fact that the bonus is non-contrib. Never thought about the rake MGR being contirb but at 3-6 SH Limit I'd see the
bonuses paid were higher than the rake back by about 50%
So 28% rake back pays about 42% in bonus meaning a total score of about 70-75% Rakeback total
I'd agree.
But NEVERFORGET the players are much tougher at Absolute. It will reduce your BB/100 but at least 1.0 over some softer sites.
In the end its just a judgement call as to where u should play.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at December 14, 2006, 11:25 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | Gar wrote: Mikke_,
"If you can get it, 5x PokerStars is 120% rakeback if you play $5+0.50 SnG/Tourney".
Can you explain this? If you can get it? Is there a special link I need to use or is it just available from time to time?
Gar
If you have a 5x bonus - a bit of a thing of the past now - then if you play a $5+0.50 SnG or Tournament , then you get 2.5 pts, but they round it up to 3 points. Therefore you get 120% rakeback IF AND ONLY IF you play $5+0.50 SnG/Tourneys with a 5x bonus.
No idea if there are any 5x available for sign-up now - you better check it if you are interested in this 120% rakeback I guess.
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| Posted by: AC_Jeff at December 14, 2006, 3:53 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokeraddict (BW Support) wrote: AC_Jeff wrote: Absolute is NOT contrib rake. I fold alot and watch the donks cap tha trake. We all split evenly.
This is not correct. Absolute has been contributed since February or March. It has always said it is contributed in their affiliate T&C's but they had a different, less exact formula before they used average rake per player per game no matter whar the limit. When they changed their payout system they did not tell anyone. It had to be figured out later by players getting underpaid and affiliates digging to find out. If you play 6 max it makes little difference. Tight full ring players are the ones that notice the difference.
That's news to me. But I only play 3-6 SH L there so however they figure it, its sweet to get that monthly coin.
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| Posted by: Pokeraddict at December 4, 2006, 4:34 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | | Since it is contributed it would be very difficult to get rb + bonus to be greater then 100%. Some players have said they do this at 1/2 FR but I'm skeptical. You would have to have a lot of pots land between $10 and $14.50. This would be more likely in O8 or Stud8 even though those games in 1/2 are rare. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: grimgrin at December 4, 2006, 3:09 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | You don't want to generate more rake - you are only getting back 28% of it - so for every dollar in rake, you lose 72 cents. It is better to play where rake is a lower proportion of BB/100 hands. This "rake" should deduct bonuses. The optimum is where you generate the maximum bonus and minimize rake.
The only time you would want to maximize rake would be in a situation where you are getting more than 100% of it back - such as propping.
I don't think that it is possible to generate more in rakeback + bonuses at Absolute than is taken in rake. Maybe if they had more FR games going at mid-stakes as opposed to SH that would be possible, but they generally don't have much. I wouldn't mind hearing if someone is doing this what game and stakes they are playing.
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| Posted by: redrocks at December 3, 2006, 4:02 pm | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | Jabong82 wrote: I was just thinking today because I play at AP with a rakeback deal, since the rakeback is "contributed rake" over there I was wondering where do you think someone would generate more rake. If it was between 3/6 Full Ring or 1/2 Short Handed, do you think its possible to generate more rake at the 1/2 Short Handed tables as you enter a lot more pots? Or is the larger rake at 3/6 (though you play less hands) just too large for it to be possible to generate similar rake at lower limit short handed tables? Discuss.
Use of a rakeback calculator will give you a general idea. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pokeraddict at November 30, 2006, 11:29 am | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote: Absolute is NOT contrib rake. I fold alot and watch the donks cap tha trake. We all split evenly.
This is not correct. Absolute has been contributed since February or March. It has always said it is contributed in their affiliate T&C's but they had a different, less exact formula before they used average rake per player per game no matter whar the limit. When they changed their payout system they did not tell anyone. It had to be figured out later by players getting underpaid and affiliates digging to find out. If you play 6 max it makes little difference. Tight full ring players are the ones that notice the difference. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at November 30, 2006, 7:09 am | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | I'd just pick the game you're best at and not worry about the rake you generate but that's just me.
And if you're willing to play 3/6, why not 3/6 SH?
I know this doesn't particularly address your hypothetical question but it's too early in the morning for me to do math.
I'd guess that 1/2 SH wasn't that far from 3/6 FR in terms of rake generated and I'm not completely sure about bonus clearance rates since I'm too lazy to check the charts.
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| Posted by: Jabong82 at November 30, 2006, 12:09 am | | Topic: Theoretical Rakeback question for Absolute Poker Forum: Bonus Whores | | I was just thinking today because I play at AP with a rakeback deal, since the rakeback is "contributed rake" over there I was wondering where do you think someone would generate more rake. If it was between 3/6 Full Ring or 1/2 Short Handed, do you think its possible to generate more rake at the 1/2 Short Handed tables as you enter a lot more pots? Or is the larger rake at 3/6 (though you play less hands) just too large for it to be possible to generate similar rake at lower limit short handed tables? Discuss. | | Static Link |
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