| Posted by: Mahdrek at October 7, 2006, 9:14 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: There are people who think gambling is a sin against God and that the job of the government is to enforce the Word of God. At this point in time, people with that political philosophy have control of the government.
In truth we are lucky it isn't worse. <knocks on wood!!> In my part of Texas it isn't out of the question that my monthly dollar buy-in home game could get me arrested. It kind of ironic that Texas Holdem is possiblly illegal is Texas.
All we can do now is hope for the best on the enforcement side. Even if the goverment changes hands in the next elections, the other party isn't likely to drop the on-line poker ban. No one wants to be on record voting for activites that offend God.
Bleh - - - DrStrange
and some of us think pres Bush is a sin; he's definitly not heaven material
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| Posted by: VolFan64 at October 2, 2006, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | GMan42 wrote: To the people that are freaking out and withdrawing all their money now, though, you're just being silly. This'll take a while and we'll all get advance warning before anything goes down.
Taking Littlewoods as an example, we got no advance warning there. Our accounts were closed and we couldn't cash out. We are still waiting to receive checks mailed to us for what was in our accounts.
Withdrawing now is not so foolish. At some point in the near future, what if your bank refuses to cash a check from Littlewoods? What if our accounts are simply seized by some authority determining that the money is as ill-gotten as coming from drug trafficking? What if...? I could go on and on.
Even if your funds are eventually returned, they could be held a long time.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at October 2, 2006, 3:01 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | micha1100 wrote: Mikke_ wrote: micha1100 wrote: So I don't think this bill will be able to really end internet poker for U.S. players. Or did I misunderstand anything important?
The important thing you missed is that the players who take the time and effort to sidestep the new laws by opening foreign accounts or whatever, will more than likely be winning players, or at least players who make money with bonuses and rakeback.
The fish however, will for the most part not bother with all of the hassle, and go and do something else, vastly reducing the worldwide fish-stocks. Which is why non-USA players are also unhappy with what is going on.
No, I did not miss that, I just wanted to be clear about the legal side before discussing the consequences in details.
You are absolutely right, the true problem here is that many of the players who were just losing some bucks for the fun of it will probably be gone if it will become difficult to play... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: micha1100 at October 2, 2006, 2:22 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: micha1100 wrote: So I don't think this bill will be able to really end internet poker for U.S. players. Or did I misunderstand anything important?
The important thing you missed is that the players who take the time and effort to sidestep the new laws by opening foreign accounts or whatever, will more than likely be winning players, or at least players who make money with bonuses and rakeback.
The fish however, will for the most part not bother with all of the hassle, and go and do something else, vastly reducing the worldwide fish-stocks. Which is why non-USA players are also unhappy with what is going on.
No, I did not miss that, I just wanted to be clear about the legal side before discussing the consequences in details.
You are absolutely right, the true problem here is that many of the players who were just losing some bucks for the fun of it will probably be gone if it will become difficult to play because they won't think... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mamasan at October 2, 2006, 1:12 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: The fish however, will for the most part not bother with all of the hassle, and go and do something else, vastly reducing the worldwide fish-stocks. Which is why non-USA players are also unhappy with what is going on.
I found it more dangerous for myself than it would be if my country would ban online gaming. I'd still have an easy choice by moving to another country. Now I'm scared there won't be many choices left.
Still, hopefully this happened now - if it would be a few years earlier, it would mean a slowly dead of online poker. Hopefully poker in Europe is growing fast.
Vote, please go to elections my dear whores.
DrStrange wrote: All we can do now is hope for the best on the enforcement side. Even if the goverment changes hands in the next elections, the other party isn't likely to drop the on-line poker ban. No one wants to be on record voting for activites that offend God.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at October 2, 2006, 11:13 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Or those of us who relied on this for a living - with the pool of sites drying up, I can no longer consider myself a professional. Already working on my contacts for a new job. It sucks, but nothing can really be done about it - I can't guarantee an income stream anymore, so I have to protect myself and my family. Still insanely disappointing.
I probably won't stop playing, though. Just not for the stakes I've grown accustomed to. Bonus whoring, I'm afraid, will no longer be much of an option. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at October 2, 2006, 10:02 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | micha1100 wrote: So I don't think this bill will be able to really end internet poker for U.S. players. Or did I misunderstand anything important?
The important thing you missed is that the players who take the time and effort to sidestep the new laws by opening foreign accounts or whatever, will more than likely be winning players, or at least players who make money with bonuses and rakeback.
The fish however, will for the most part not bother with all of the hassle, and go and do something else, vastly reducing the worldwide fish-stocks. Which is why non-USA players are also unhappy with what is going on.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at October 2, 2006, 9:21 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | For the next week or two, everything rides on how the pokersites react to this bill. Many, MANY sites are going to pull out of the US market entirely. The key will be seeing which ones stay, and their overall attitude toward this bill.
- Crypto was not much of a surprise to me, although extremely disappointing. (Time to burn off those pending bonuses @ SunPoker quick!)
- 888.com (Pacific, CON) was no shock at all.
- PartyGaming - shock. They are leaving, however, for the same reasons that 888.com is bailing - they are publically traded companies, and really are in a pickle about how to proceed. They are basically not willing to gamble (heh) that staying in the US market is worthwhile. I think it's a rash move, but they may be trying to stay on the good side of regulators for a hopeful return in a few years. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: micha1100 at October 2, 2006, 8:46 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Foreign law in a foreign language is not easy to understand properly, so perhaps I'm totally wrong here, but the way it looks to me is that the only direct change from that bill would be that you cannot fund poker accounts directly from U.S. banks.
The U.S. has no jurisdiction over foreign businesses, so they simply cannot tell the off-shore gambling sites or Neteller to decline certain transactions. Neteller itself is not a gambling site so theoretically there is no legal reason to prevent U.S. citizens from funding their Neteller account from their bank accounts.
But even if U.S. authorities decide that Neteller is so involved in internet gambling that any funding of a Neteller account is likely enough to be connected with gambling and thus illegal, U.S. players only have to open an account at a respectable foreign bank and fund their poker-site accounts from there, and I don't think the U.S. government could do anything to stop that.
So I don't think this bill will be able ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at October 2, 2006, 8:44 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | If internet poker takes a dive, the WSOP will take a bigger one. 8k entrants last year, if americans cant fund poker accounts online, there wont be 4k. Every bit of poker surge the cardrooms have had will dry the fuck up.
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| Posted by: BCsparky at October 2, 2006, 12:32 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | B&M poker was stagnant in the 90's They were shutting down pokerrooms in Vegas cause they couldn't be bothered. Then came internet poker, Moneymaker and hole card cameras and boom. If players do flock to B&M cardrooms, they can thank internet pokerrrooms.
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| Posted by: Randyb at October 1, 2006, 10:04 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Kollenbag wrote:
I'm a religious man myself only difference between me and Phocked up Christians, I follow my heart with god in it not the bible that in fact is written by a human not by god...
Yeah those evil Christians. They should just handle things as many of the Islamic leaders would. Off with their head!! Or is that only in Wonderland?
Religion and politics are always dangerous topics for friendy boards. Little is gained from it. Just ask the Dixie Chicks.
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| Posted by: Randyb at October 1, 2006, 9:53 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | [quote="GMan42"] IceboxCharlie wrote: To the people that are freaking out and withdrawing all their money now, though, you're just being silly. This'll take a while and we'll all get advance warning before anything goes down.
I wish you could explain that to some of the poker rooms that have already closed access to US players. And to Littlewoods that wouldn't even let some players use Neteller to get funds back from them, but claim a check is on its way.
I don't think its exactly panic, but being prudent is advisable.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at October 1, 2006, 4:44 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: Gonzo787 wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: The Democrats would never pull any shit like this. Just ask any poker player in Washington.
Republicans and Democrats are both against internet gambling in varying degree of numbers. However, these are the men most responsible (at various stages) of this getting passed into law....
Leech- Republican
Kyl- Republican
Goodlatte- Republican
Frist- Republican
That being said, Jim Kasper, a state representitive from North Dakota will try to get a pro internet gambling bill passed in North Dakota in 2007. He is a Republican.
Agreed. I am just bitter and twisted.
Also, I am finding the differences between the two parties are less and less significant these days. In short, they can all lick my sweaty ball sack.
Just for the record, I wasn't disagreeing with you, just expanding on what you said.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 1, 2006, 1:42 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: Gonzo787 wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: The Democrats would never pull any shit like this. Just ask any poker player in Washington.
Republicans and Democrats are both against internet gambling in varying degree of numbers. However, these are the men most responsible (at various stages) of this getting passed into law....
Leech- Republican
Kyl- Republican
Goodlatte- Republican
Frist- Republican
That being said, Jim Kasper, a state representitive from North Dakota will try to get a pro internet gambling bill passed in North Dakota in 2007. He is a Republican.
Agreed. I am just bitter and twisted.
Also, I am finding the differences between the two parties are less and less significant these days. In short, they can all lick my sweaty ball sack.
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| Posted by: shiny_chicken at October 1, 2006, 12:46 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | The thing that no one seems to mention is that these jokers are using their religon as a terroristic approach.
From the dictionary:
terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at October 1, 2006, 11:17 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: The Democrats would never pull any shit like this. Just ask any poker player in Washington.
Republicans and Democrats are both against internet gambling in varying degree of numbers. However, these are the men most responsible (at various stages) of this getting passed into law....
Leech- Republican
Kyl- Republican
Goodlatte- Republican
Frist- Republican
That being said, Jim Kasper, a state representitive from North Dakota will try to get a pro internet gambling bill passed in North Dakota in 2007. He is a Republican.
Agreed. I am just bitter and twisted.
Also, I am finding the differences between the two parties are less and less significant these days. In short, they can all lick my sweaty ball sack.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 1, 2006, 11:10 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: The Democrats would never pull any shit like this. Just ask any poker player in Washington.
Republicans and Democrats are both against internet gambling in varying degree of numbers. However, these are the men most responsible (at various stages) of this getting passed into law....
Leech- Republican
Kyl- Republican
Goodlatte- Republican
Frist- Republican
That being said, Jim Kasper, a state representitive from North Dakota will try to get a pro internet gambling bill passed in North Dakota in 2007. He is a Republican. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kollenbag at October 1, 2006, 7:00 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | this is a joke right...looks more and more like a Religious Regime taking places there in the US..it's about time you people act and set up a revolution throwing the monkey in a cage together with his Phocked up Christian-Monkeys...
You have to look into the future not in the past and Holy Phocks wan't things like they we're used to be in the past..
1. Control over the people
2. Obey
3. or die in hell
I really hope the Republicans lose next time, this could get very ugly and uglier as time goes by, with the Christians running on top of the hill....
The US is falling in pieces rapidly, huge deficits, a war that was never needed, skyhigh energy price, freedom of speech gets more and more banned....You have to thank that shit for the Christians who are running the show right now in yr country..makes you wonder WTF has happened in just a couple of years...lol
A true democratic country can only be runned by dems not by Christians who preach & use... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at September 30, 2006, 9:39 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Harmonica wrote: I have been following this - not greatly - and I really do not understand what there fucking problem is with allowing people to play online poker, so what if people become addicted and lose money and it destroys there lives and the lives of the people around them, these are grown up people who are capable of making there own choices on how they want to lead there lives, why the fuck should it ruin it for the other 98% who dont have a problem.
Fucking policitians make me absolutely sick, rather than make changes were they count ie the environment, world peace & corruption etc they pull this shit, just hope the PPA will make it third time lucky and be able to get this bill revoked or something because so far the PPA dont seem to have made any difference, the scary thing is though that the poker sites haven't formed any sort of alliance with the other sites to do anything about this bill, all you get out of Partygaming is that there looking to diversify the business and e... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at September 30, 2006, 6:25 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: There are people who think gambling is a sin against God and that the job of the government is to enforce the Word of God. At this point in time, people with that political philosophy have control of the government.
In truth we are lucky it isn't worse. <knocks on wood!!> In my part of Texas it isn't out of the question that my monthly dollar buy-in home game could get me arrested. It kind of ironic that Texas Holdem is possiblly illegal is Texas.
All we can do now is hope for the best on the enforcement side. Even if the goverment changes hands in the next elections, the other party isn't likely to drop the on-line poker ban. No one wants to be on record voting for activites that offend God.
Bleh - - - DrStrange
Agreed.. and my 2c..
Why am I thinking missionary stations and all the stuff we used to do a long time ago to try to imprint our idealogy onto the rest of the world? Did those bible-bashers imp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrStrange at September 30, 2006, 5:25 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | There are people who think gambling is a sin against God and that the job of the government is to enforce the Word of God. At this point in time, people with that political philosophy have control of the government.
In truth we are lucky it isn't worse. <knocks on wood!!> In my part of Texas it isn't out of the question that my monthly dollar buy-in home game could get me arrested. It kind of ironic that Texas Holdem is possiblly illegal is Texas.
All we can do now is hope for the best on the enforcement side. Even if the goverment changes hands in the next elections, the other party isn't likely to drop the on-line poker ban. No one wants to be on record voting for activites that offend God.
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| Posted by: Harmonica at September 30, 2006, 5:18 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | I have been following this - not greatly - and I really do not understand what there fucking problem is with allowing people to play online poker, so what if people become addicted and lose money and it destroys there lives and the lives of the people around them, these are grown up people who are capable of making there own choices on how they want to lead there lives, why the fuck should it ruin it for the other 98% who dont have a problem.
Fucking policitians make me absolutely sick, rather than make changes were they count ie the environment, world peace & corruption etc they pull this shit, just hope the PPA will make it third time lucky and be able to get this bill revoked or something because so far the PPA dont seem to have made any difference, the scary thing is though that the poker sites haven't formed any sort of alliance with the other sites to do anything about this bill, all you get out of Partygaming is that there looking to diversify the business and explore new markets which ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at September 30, 2006, 4:41 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | What I can't understand is why this is all happening.
The USA has the $s, the people, and the infrastructure to take over internet gambling, at least as far as US players are concerned. I am sure that the big B&M owners would be overjoyed to be able to take over the online market for 5% rake.
Most US players would stay loyal and play in US poker sites and keep the rake and owner profit in the USA. The US owners would spend their mega-bucks in..... the USA mostly.
And provide employment!
So, how is it that this doesn't happen? The fear of a kid using a parent's credit card to lose $1000's gambling online is bullshit. They would use it anyway offline to buy some other shit if they were that way inclined.
How is it that a minority is stopping you guys from gambling online?
As I said before. Un-fucking-real!
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| Posted by: HeelHo at September 30, 2006, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | IceboxCharlie wrote:
Secondly, Neteller is publicly traded on the London stock exchange and is a legitimate banking facility. US banks not accepting fund transfers from Neteller would probably be a clear violation of the WTO.
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Let me try to explain this again. Violating the WTO is as severe as the COUNTRY you violate it against. And the appeals process by the violator could take years. Retaliation is usually confined to the industry it occurs in. And its just trade sanctions. I think Neteller is actually on an island with presences in Canada and the UK. THey arent going to start a trade war with the US over gambling. There is no big ass judge in brussels who can bang his gavel and tell alberto gonzales to fucking back off. Our best bet is its too expensive to enforce, or theres a way to sue the bill. ANd that if its challenged in court it can be severed from the main bill.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at September 30, 2006, 4:14 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | GMan42 wrote: IceboxCharlie wrote: First of all, it's not over until the fat lady sings. If the port security bill is not properly written, although most congress people would be hesitant to vote against it for fear of looking unpatriotic, then this bill may still not pass.
Um, they passed it almost unanimously last night, dude.
I agree that there's a long way to go before we see what happens...basically it's up to the attorney general to figure out (over the next 270 days) how to interperet/enforce this. It's entirely possible this will turn out to be one of those laws that's way too difficult/expensive to enforce, and years from now we'll still be playing and saying "remember when we were so freaked out by that gambling bill?"...it's also possible that the roof will cave in and we'll all have to get part time jobs at Burger King to replace our whoring $$$.
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at September 30, 2006, 3:16 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Oops Gman you're right. Stayed up too late playing poker last night. I'll still stand by what I said about the US not being able to block transactions to or from Neteller.
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| Posted by: GMan42 at September 30, 2006, 2:40 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | IceboxCharlie wrote: First of all, it's not over until the fat lady sings. If the port security bill is not properly written, although most congress people would be hesitant to vote against it for fear of looking unpatriotic, then this bill may still not pass.
Um, they passed it almost unanimously last night, dude.
I agree that there's a long way to go before we see what happens...basically it's up to the attorney general to figure out (over the next 270 days) how to interperet/enforce this. It's entirely possible this will turn out to be one of those laws that's way too difficult/expensive to enforce, and years from now we'll still be playing and saying "remember when we were so freaked out by that gambling bill?"...it's also possible that the roof will cave in and we'll all have to get part time jobs at Burger King to replace our whoring $$$.
To the people that are freaking out and withdrawing all their money now, though, you're just being silly. This'll... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pulper_80 at September 30, 2006, 1:46 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: I am missing your argument, or your maybe you are confused.
This bill is saying EXACTLY just that.
Title II: Policies and Procedures Required to Prevent Payments for Unlawful Gambling - Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit persons engaged in a gambling business from knowingly accepting credit, electronic fund transfers, checks, drafts, or similar financial instruments or the proceeds of any other financial transaction in connection with unlawful Internet gambling (this prohibition is defined by this Act as a "restricted transaction").
Directs the Secretary of the Treasury and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to prescribe regulations to identify and block restricted transactions. Grants immunity from civil liability for blocking a restricted transaction or one which is reasonably believed to be a restricted transaction.
When I read this I see:
NETeller -> a poker room: not OK (although I don't ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at September 30, 2006, 1:12 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | First of all, it's not over until the fat lady sings. If the port security bill is not properly written, although most congress people would be hesitant to vote against it for fear of looking unpatriotic, then this bill may still not pass.
I hate when one bill is pasted to another one because they know the first one has a good chance of being passed and they try to piggyback another bill onto it. Each bill should be voted on and considered on it's own merit.
Secondly, Neteller is publicly traded on the London stock exchange and is a legitimate banking facility. US banks not accepting fund transfers from Neteller would probably be a clear violation of the WTO.
I'm sure the people that own all the different poker sites have been looking at this for months and considering what to do. I'd love to be a fly on the wall. Do you really think they're going to just stand by and lose a major portion of their business? They stand to lose billions of dollars. Maybe they have set up outside business's to han... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bedofnails at September 30, 2006, 12:34 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | I am missing your argument, or your maybe you are confused.
This bill is saying EXACTLY just that.
Title II: Policies and Procedures Required to Prevent Payments for Unlawful Gambling - Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit persons engaged in a gambling business from knowingly accepting credit, electronic fund transfers, checks, drafts, or similar financial instruments or the proceeds of any other financial transaction in connection with unlawful Internet gambling (this prohibition is defined by this Act as a "restricted transaction").
Directs the Secretary of the Treasury and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to prescribe regulations to identify and block restricted transactions. Grants immunity from civil liability for blocking a restricted transaction or one which is reasonably believed to be a restricted transaction.
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| Posted by: pulper_80 at September 30, 2006, 12:24 pm | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: DrStrange wrote: So long as an American player has money in Neteller I expect he can continute to play. However the games will quickly get tough because the millions of player who lost money can't easily reload their accounts. As the pool of players shrink, the money lost to the rake and best players can only come from the previously winning players.
So think about how things will be in a few months. ~70% < the weakest 70% > of the players who are playing now have gone broke and can't reload. The rake is relentlessly grinding down the total money available for American players to play - even with bonuses and rakeback. You will find the typical micro limit game has gotten very tough. Almost all of us will be losing money somewhere through the process.
There will be some new money coming in from other parts of the world. But now every game will have the top 5% of the US player base and none of the 95% of the American fishes. While you could s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bedofnails at September 30, 2006, 11:58 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: So long as an American player has money in Neteller I expect he can continute to play. However the games will quickly get tough because the millions of player who lost money can't easily reload their accounts. As the pool of players shrink, the money lost to the rake and best players can only come from the previously winning players.
So think about how things will be in a few months. ~70% < the weakest 70% > of the players who are playing now have gone broke and can't reload. The rake is relentlessly grinding down the total money available for American players to play - even with bonuses and rakeback. You will find the typical micro limit game has gotten very tough. Almost all of us will be losing money somewhere through the process.
There will be some new money coming in from other parts of the world. But now every game will have the top 5% of the US player base and none of the 95% of the American fishes. While you could still play on-line poker, a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CheeseBurger at September 30, 2006, 11:44 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | | This is bad. I have moved all my money back to neteller and am real close to just cashing out. I'm not worried about the players getting better. My fear is getting a check from neteller and the bank saying they won't cash it. My plan is to leave very little money online and start hitting up some of the charity casino nights. Between charity nights, bars, and home games their is plenty of poker to be played. They can take the internet but they can't stop us from playing. Just whoring. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: redrocks at September 30, 2006, 10:04 am | | Topic: Looks like our efforts were futile...Frist got his way Forum: Bonus Whores | Poker... It's American as apple pie. But once again here in America, it looks like someone elses religion and moral values are going to dictate what I can and cant do (legally). It's a shame.
Banning online gambling isnt like, say, banning marijuana, which is still in plentiful supply and easily obtainable despite every law against it. No, online poker is a lot easier to shut off because the electronic sources of funding are much more susceptible to survelliance. I have a very bad feeling about this. | | Static Link |
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