| Posted by: sloppyhand at April 24, 2005, 3:26 am | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
This is alls i have to say about this....I played in a 6 man tourney the other night at noble....5$ buy in....first hand...no kidding...first hand...a queen, ten and nine come up....three different suits so no flush draw...i had a 8 and jack...straight on the flop...not bad...i bet....two fold...next guy raises...third guy calls....i raise again....next guy raises me again...next guy calls...i got a straight already on the flop....maybe i made a bad decision but i didnt want to leave both these two any room to chase something...i go all in....they both call...second guy who kept raising me had a jack and king....a higher str8....geeeeesssss...we both had str8 on the flop and on the first hand....the third guy has two pair queen and ten....guess what come on the turn....a ten...third guy gets a full house to beat us both.....I dont trust the site and hope you all read this cause I will not play there with my money....
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at April 22, 2005, 4:25 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Well it is a ery important issue that anybody that is going to put their real money at risk should be interested in. I am glad you found what I was talking about when I told you that KGC may not be legal in Canada. I often urge people in posts to keep their minds open this is exactly what I mean. It does appear that Britain has no problem whatsoever with online gaming it would be nice if the US and UK could work together to give our thing much needed legitimacy. As it stands until the US decides to stop the witch hunt against online gaming then we the people will always have to wonder out about the legitimacy of online gaming. I mean the main reason these commisions are even around is because the US has made it so hard for us to transfer money to and from the sites. I would be happy if the rooms licensed in the UK would open their doors to US players ery few do. You could easily start a whole new section on the legal aspects of online gaming and I doubt it would take long to fill an entire server with p... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: notfit66 at April 22, 2005, 3:57 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
well until there is one universal commission, ppl would probably question a licenced gaming site if its not licenced by the top or most popular commission, but unless you have a suspicion about the commission itself there isnt much u should do. Noble most likely is licenced by the commission closest to its base of operation...sometimes all we can do is hope everything is on the up and up. I'llhave to agree with Nick and say this would make a great article.
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| Posted by: Nick at April 22, 2005, 3:05 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Wow Four Dogs, I'm extremely impressed. This thread has turned into a ery interesting topic and you've put a lot of effort into research. I wonder if you could contact Noble and ask to see to the manager and ask about this? I'd be ery interested to hear what they say.
I suggest after this topic has been discussed to it's full potential we put together pieces of this thread into an article for everyone to read in our articles section.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 22, 2005, 2:32 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
When I began this thread, I had no intention of it becoming a Crusade against Noble Poker. That remains the case. Rather, I was attempting to address an issue which concerns us all, namely online gaming security and integrity and how we as laymen (I’m assuming) can be certain we are being dealt an even hand.
With new gaming sites popping up every day, with great graphics, innovative features and let’s not forget Freerolls, it’s easy to get excited and hope that all regulating agencies are the equal of one another, but I don’t know that to be the case. I think the best we can do is to judge each regulating authority by the company that it keeps. Most of the well known professional poker players endorse one online site or another. Virtually all those sites are licensed by the KGC. In fact, there are over 300. By contrast, The Antigua Gaming Commission website (link provided by XDMANX007, thanks) shows 36.
Licensing by Kahnawake is easy to erify due to its requirement that a link to its h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: xdmanx007 at April 22, 2005, 12:40 am | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
The KGC may not even be legal in their own country! There are pending criminal investigations into them. If you do a proper google you will find this to be true. So you think these guys are into strict oversight? We would all like to think so, I am not convinced. In Noble's case they are certified by an actual government gaming commision. After doing alot of reading I came to the conclusion that as long as a site has taken the trouble to actually get licensed by a gaming commision they are probably ok. If you are really interested http://www.antiguagaming.gov.ag/
Imperial e-club is the casino group that owns Noble I believe although Nick could probably confirm or correct it for me.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 21, 2005, 9:01 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by xdmanx007
The bigger question is if the KGC even has the legal right in Canada to license online gaming! I have taken a big intrest in the subject the past few months and there is one site in particular that has extarodinary information on the subject, I will respect the webmasters wishes and not link to it because it has a forum. Point is do you know anybody that has had a complaint filed with KGC and had any action taken on that complaint, furthermore how do we know that they keep the sites honest? I recently recommended on a post that one of our peers take his issue, with a poker site, to the KGC whom licenses the site he had trouble with. The reply he posted, on here, from the poker site did not sound at all like that site was worried about the gaming commision. OK my point is, right now there is an alphabet soup of gaming commisions supposedly regulating online gaming, I have seen no evidence that would have me put my faith in any one commision more than ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Steveg72 at April 21, 2005, 1:45 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
These gaming commisions have no ACTUAL power....but neither does the better business beureau and it seems to be pretty powerful
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at April 21, 2005, 4:21 am | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
The bigger question is if the KGC even has the legal right in Canada to license online gaming! I have taken a big intrest in the subject the past few months and there is one site in particular that has extarodinary information on the subject, I will respect the webmasters wishes and not link to it because it has a forum. Point is do you know anybody that has had a complaint filed with KGC and had any action taken on that complaint, furthermore how do we know that they keep the sites honest? I recently recommended on a post that one of our peers take his issue, with a poker site, to the KGC whom licenses the site he had trouble with. The reply he posted, on here, from the poker site did not sound at all like that site was worried about the gaming commision. OK my point is, right now there is an alphabet soup of gaming commisions supposedly regulating online gaming, I have seen no evidence that would have me put my faith in any one commision more than the other. The only reason people have to believe thes... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jack Daniels at April 21, 2005, 2:50 am | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Noble may be a fairly new, small site, but I bet $10K isn't all that much to them overall. Just do some ball park guesstimating. Look at the cash tables in action, check out the rake, and factor in the tourney entry fees. The $$$ add up quickly for these sites. Sure there are other operating expenses. And I don't claim to know anything about KGC licensing, but if it is as good to have as Four Dogs is saying, I'm sure Noble has the bucks to fork over for it.
Nick may be right, maybe they just haven't gotten there yet. Couldn't hurt for some regulars to send some messages to them to urge them on their way.
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| Posted by: skelly61 at April 20, 2005, 9:07 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Very interesting stuff, I never about any licensing authority, but I still like Noble and haven`t had any problems so far.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 19, 2005, 7:11 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nick
Very interesting, I'm not sure why they haven't got a license. $10,000 is quite a lot of money, especially to these new sites, I wonder if that's the reason.
I own a ery small construction company. I have to pay almost that much every year for insurance. It's a business expense. Keeping your security measures updated? Now that's expensive.
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| Posted by: Nick at April 19, 2005, 7:03 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Very interesting, I'm not sure why they haven't got a license. $10,000 is quite a lot of money, especially to these new sites, I wonder if that's the reason.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 19, 2005, 6:50 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nick
Well that's interesting, to me, all it is, is like an online shop displaying the VISA icon on their site, when they VISA. If it has no power, then it's kind of useless. I'm sure Noble is up to stratch and could get accepted by them ery easily, they are fairly new and probably haven't got round to it yet. I'm ery confident in the security on Noble Poker. I trust them 100% or I wouldn't be promoting them as much I do. It's no reason to steer clear, it's a great site.
I'm sure it is all that. As I said, it is a beautiful site and I enjoyed playing there the other day. That's not the point. But KGC is not an online shop and has no profit motive. If it were, than Pacific, Empire, Poker Stars, Full Tilt or any of the other hundreds of poker rooms out there wouldn't bother paying the $10,000 annual fee to renew there licences. When your giving out your credit card number you want to be certain that security is up to snuff and up to date. That can be ex... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Nick at April 19, 2005, 6:12 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Well that's interesting, to me, all it is, is like an online shop displaying the VISA icon on their site, when they VISA. If it has no power, then it's kind of useless. I'm sure Noble is up to stratch and could get accepted by them ery easily, they are fairly new and probably haven't got round to it yet. I'm ery confident in the security on Noble Poker. I trust them 100% or I wouldn't be promoting them as much I do. It's no reason to steer clear, it's a great site.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 19, 2005, 5:19 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by s3ver
I dont understand
why is antigua worse than gibraltar, malta or granada ...
No reason. You can play there too.
Quote: Originally Posted by butcher33
i like the site (noble), which one do you recommend?
There are hundreds of good ones. All unregulated. The KGC has no authority. It's only power is it's reputation. If there's no hyperlink on their web page then it is not registered.
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 19, 2005, 4:55 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Rails
So, then are you recommending to steer clear of Noble until they're registered?
No, just to be cautious. Here's a copy of my inquiry to Noble Poker Support and there response.
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Are you licensed by The Kahnawake Gaming Commission? I don't see your hyperlink and you don't appear on their list of permit holders.
Dear Four Dogs, (Substituted for my name)
Thank you for choosing Noble Poker, this is Terry from the support team.
We are in receipt of your most recent email, and we are fully licensed by the government of Antigua & Barbuda and our software has been checked by one of the worlds most respectable auditing firms.
Have a wonderful day Roy!!!!
With any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact the Noble Poker Support Team 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Best Regards,
Terry-Anne
Noble Poker
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at April 19, 2005, 2:53 pm | | Topic: No Permit at Noble Forum: Card Chat |
I just posted a reply on the cheaters thread in response to some concerns we have about protection and cheating i.e "bad beats" at a few of the sites. My reply was just this. If the poker site doen't bother to apply for sanctioning by The Kahnawake Gaming Commission, DON'T PLAY THERE! Well, after making that statment I decided to check out the KGC's page to see who actually was licenced. I know Full Tilt is because I play there. Most of the popular sites are listed. However, Noble Poker was conspicuous in it's absence. That's not to say there's a problem but with so many places to play, why risk it?
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