| Posted by: Rails at April 25, 2005, 6:16 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I think you're right -2222-, in order to truly "keep 'em guessing", your opponents have to "see" you play many different styles, and with many different types of starting hands. And, you're also right about playing seldom played cards. If you have any ace, and there are 3 or 4 people in the pot, what's the likelihood that ace is live? Probably not so much. You play 5 7 once in awile when there are several in the pot, you could be looking at a nice payout
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| Posted by: -2222- at April 25, 2005, 3:26 am | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I play a bit like you RAILS because I want action on my big hands. I like to show 2 or 3 bluffs in a row to get em thinking that I'm looser than a panel on the Challenger Space Shuttle.
Then it's a great time to change gears. I find that people will give me lots of action and I pick up some real big pots and show em the nuts.
Then I change gears again and raise on hands like 9-3. If I'm lucky enough to to flop trips or 2 pair, I'll usually get the action I'm looking for and win some monster pots.
I busted a guy like that yesterday. I raised out of position with 4-7 and the flop came 3-5-6. No matter how much I bet, the guy couldn't put me on 4/7. At the (all-in) showdown, he turned over AA.
I like to play hands that others don't play figuring I can get some action and there is far less chance of us both lookin for the same cards eg, If I make my straight, I generally have the nuts. In a more traditional style of play, the card that gives me my straight could give the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clyde1967 at April 25, 2005, 2:36 am | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
personally i like to try a few bluffs when playing ring games by raising when the pots are small or medium sized and if i win i like to show my cards.usually if i can pull this off a couple times it sticks in other players heads and they end up calling you later on bigger pots when you got the nuts cuz they think you are trying to steal it.tournaments i never show cards
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| Posted by: feesh at April 25, 2005, 1:39 am | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
wow im going to have to disagree with a lot of you. Showing certain hands at certain times is absolutely critical. Its just a matter of which ones and when.
The more my opponents THINK they know about my style of play the more I have them right where I want them.
I cant count how many times ive gotten away with insane bluffs only because I had shown several winners.
neither can I count the times ive boosted the pot by 2 or 3 calls sittin on a nut flush simply because I had shown a couple of mediocre hands.
The best way to keep your opponents guessing is to give them only the information that leads them in the direction YOU want them to go, not by cutting them off completely. All that will do is make THEM that much more unpredictable.
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| Posted by: ass_man0407 at April 24, 2005, 11:48 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
Personally I dont show any hand. Unless its to set up a move later on. Why give away information about the way you play.
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| Posted by: 77345 at April 24, 2005, 9:42 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
Nothing, I hate worse than to be short stacked have a descent hand, some one go all in and then show they bluffed with nothing. I think it is rude and mean. That I am not. So i dont generally show at all. But everyone plays differently. Just as everyone also has their own opinions. Foldem or show them it's your choice.
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| Posted by: fubarcdn at April 24, 2005, 9:33 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
If you are reffering to the statement I made I specified that this was in league games only. I play this I'll show you mine game if you'll show me yours so I can gather info about the other players style. I tend to only do it with or to the people I think are as good as me so I can get an advantage over them. That is as competitive as one can get. But your last two points are alid and if I see players doing that I get real annoyed. Unless it is my home game and the other player is my wife. There is a rule. If you bluff your wife you sleep on the couch. Unless, of course she doesn't find out. Same rule as extramarital sex.
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| Posted by: RammerJammer at April 24, 2005, 8:59 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
Playing a little "devil's advocate" here. Numerous posts indicating a perceived difference in showing hands in general s. showing to "friends". In a competitive gaming environment, why would it be considered unfriendly not to show? Isn't that just part of the game? What's next? 'Friends don't raise into other friends' blinds'? Or maybe, 'Friends don't bluff friends'? How about, 'Friends always fold to their friends' all-in'?
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| Posted by: katymaty at April 24, 2005, 8:13 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
if im in a freeroll and it contains alot of players ill go all in with weak hands sometimes and show if nobody calls me, so it annoys them lol . this way when i get a genuine hand they will be more likely to call me
katy
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| Posted by: Freakakanus at April 24, 2005, 5:28 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I was bluffed twice recently and the guy showed me both times. Man did it piss me off! I guess his strategy worked cause the next face card I saw I went all in and was busted. Silly me, gotta keep composure.
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| Posted by: fubarcdn at April 24, 2005, 4:36 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I have a policy to never show for the reasons that everyone else stated. Having said that if I am playing in a league game and I like the person I am playing I will flop a few hands over out of courtesy if he does the same.
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| Posted by: Thewebmaster at April 23, 2005, 10:56 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
Hi all,
In the SNG's I always show the nut hands, if i've shown 5 or 6 or even more good winning hands during the game I can usually get away with one good bluff a little later on as the other few players tend to think i'll only go when i've got the nuts.
Apart from this type of strategy I see no real reason for showing and this doesn't work every time for me anyway.
In our cardschat freerolls I don't mind showing as I thought we were all friends here anyway
Good luck all
Tony ( The Webmaster )
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| Posted by: notfit66 at April 23, 2005, 8:47 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
For the most part I dont show, unless its play money (dont play the same at them tables) or when playing friends..in some occassions i showed when asked, if they are deciding to fold or not.
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| Posted by: hdusch at April 23, 2005, 3:10 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I never show online. Let them guess. I will sometimes chat and tell someone they made a good laydown, even if I had 7 2.
HD
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| Posted by: Jack Daniels at April 23, 2005, 12:14 am | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I generally muck my hand unless some pays to see it. Only in the rarest of circumstances do I show and uncalled hand. If I do, it is because I am setting an image, etc for a particular reason for later.
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| Posted by: philly0707 at April 22, 2005, 5:05 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I would agree to never show unless playing with friends and is only a friendly game. Tournaments and all others I don't show.
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| Posted by: RammerJammer at April 22, 2005, 2:38 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I noticed during our last cc Ultimatebet freeroll that if some players folded their hand in the face of a big bet in the late rounds, they would frequently turn over their cards to show what they were laying down. Just wondering why you would do this. Are you trying to get the bettor to reciprocate and show you his cards? Some of the winners, who are probably using the "don't show winning hands" autofeature, would sometimes chat back something like, "Sorry. Had Q's", as if they felt they owed the folding player a show. Ties in neatly with the thread topic here, "To Show, or Not to Show". I believe the consensus so far is heavily "Not". But I thought the above-described activity was interesting. (By the way, if we're heads-up in a tourney hand and you want to show me your cards, thanks. But you ain't seein mine.)
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| Posted by: slobberdawg at April 21, 2005, 9:47 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Rails
I'm just curious how many people out there like to show their cards. I really enjoy changing gears constantly at the table. Out of every 10 hands that I win, I like to show around 2-3 nut hands, but at least 1 bluff hand too. Muck the rest. If you are with the same players at a table for awhile, this can really get on their nerves!
i never show...i just let them wonder..
if i get caught bluffing...so be it..
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| Posted by: clavin42 at April 21, 2005, 6:33 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I rarely if ever show my cards. The only time I do it is when I am on BB and everyone else folds. In that situation it doesnt matter how you would have played the cards and you dont give anything away by showing people your hand.
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| Posted by: Rails at April 21, 2005, 5:50 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I think that maybe everyone is missing my point. I agree, that if you fold every time, you will have your opponent wondering what you had. However, if they folded in the first place, they obviously thought they were beat. Therefore, they are not really confused, they've CONVINCED themselves that they had the worst hand.
My point is that if they've SEEN you win with nuts, and they've SEEN you win with shit, then they're REALLY confused.
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| Posted by: Wlokos at April 21, 2005, 5:42 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I always fold. They don't need to know what I've been doing. Let them be confused.
I only show when playing mind games with the people.
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| Posted by: chicubs1616 at April 20, 2005, 8:41 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I never show a hand unless I'm playing with my friends or I have a huge hand (4 of a kind, Straight Flush).
Online, I have the AUTO-MUCK on.
Showing bluffs can be ery useful though, especially if you show a perpetual caller, who will then call down everything you bet; so you bet your legit hands for alue.
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at April 20, 2005, 8:21 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
AMEN Grum All hail Grum! Never show your cards unless it is against your friends and then only the big hands, I do that only out of respect myself.
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| Posted by: lumberjack at April 20, 2005, 8:19 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I don't like to show a winning because I like for them to keep guessing and I still hold true to the saying"YOu got to pay to C" I'm no pro just a schmo playing poker.. I 've enyoy doing so..
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| Posted by: RammerJammer at April 20, 2005, 8:04 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
If you show a winning hand to the folder, and you had them covered, it only reinforces their decision to fold, which is a psychological positive for them. Why would you want to bolster their confidence in reading you? If you bluffed rags to the river and they folded, and you show them your cards, you only make it more difficult to bluff the next time. I can think of ery, ery few occasions when it's a good idea to show your winning hand. I notice a lot of online players show their cards after no one calls their all-in, as if they're afraid someone will think they were "buying the pot" if they don't demostrate a strong hand. That's probably the worst reason of all.
One of the classics is last year's WSOP $5,000 NLHE event. James Sousa caught an unbelieveable run of cards and went all-in on six straight hands. After every hand, when everyone had folded, he'd show monster holes. AA, KK, QQ, AK suited...it was freakish. He finally got into a hand against Thomas Keller, who actually went ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Rails at April 19, 2005, 7:33 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I see what you mean, and for the most part I agree. I don't show my wins every time. You could make the agrument that if they folded, I DID have the nuts, whether I show or not. My hand WAS good enough to win.
But if I had 7 2 os and managed to get my opponent to call a bet 3 times, only to fold at the river - I would show that 7 2. If nothing else, just to piss em off. You can get people to make even dumber bets when the whole table just watched them get their ass kicked.
I've watched people irtually curl up into the fetal position, literally not knowing what to do, after a couple shows, a couple mucks, and a lot of wins.
Actually, as far as that goes - when the situation is reversed, if I fold to a bet, I just assume the player has what I put him on, and don't think twice about it - UNLESS he shows a bluff. Then it sticks with me - for half a hand - lol
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| Posted by: webber286 at April 19, 2005, 7:28 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I don't like to show my hand either. Always have the auto muck on as well. Suppose it is a strategy to get under other people's skin and hope they make a mistake the next time, but would rather not have my opponents knowing exactly what I am doing.
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| Posted by: OhioMistress at April 19, 2005, 7:09 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I'm also a folder. I agree that the less people know about you the more chances of winning. My favorite is when you have something stupid and the bet with all the way to river and fold. You actually had something like 7 2 os and win with it. You saw and the next you might lose because with the same.
Ohio
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| Posted by: Grumbledook at April 19, 2005, 6:11 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I fold every single one, unless playing with my mates. The more info the other players have about you the more they can put you on a hand accuratly.
I have the automuck clicked on every site I play on.
While it can be beneficial I win a lot of hands before going to the showdown and I use that to my advantage.
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| Posted by: Rails at April 19, 2005, 5:33 pm | | Topic: To Show, or Not To Show Forum: Card Chat |
I'm just curious how many people out there like to show their cards. I really enjoy changing gears constantly at the table. Out of every 10 hands that I win, I like to show around 2-3 nut hands, but at least 1 bluff hand too. Muck the rest. If you are with the same players at a table for awhile, this can really get on their nerves!
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