| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 29, 2005, 11:14 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
No harm, no foul. I am the only person that made the connecting card comparison, so I figured it was mine.
As far as playing the hand J-10 goes, I myself play it with some frequency and win a good bit of money doing so. But I also win pots with pocket deuces, 6-7s, 7-8s, 9-10os, hell, ill play 2-9 or some crazy shit like that if I know I can get away with it by betting strong and not being forced to show it down. I play a ery different style of poker than my advice would indicate. I just don't have the time when someone asks a question like this one to go into great detail about every different situation where J-10 can be a good hand to crack a large pocket pair. I don't have that much time, and I feel I will be doing a disservice to the newbie asking for help than an actual service.
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 29, 2005, 12:02 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Hey biggamer go back and re-read my post. I said their alue is SIMILAR to those other connecting cards and it is. Similar and same are two different things. Go learn to read and comprehend before you jump on my posts.
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| Posted by: IrishDave at June 28, 2005, 10:39 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
I like the comments by Four Dogs and I agree. I will nearly always play this from a late position or if it's a cheap call. I bail quick after the flop if I have not made a 4 flush or open ended str8 draw...
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| Posted by: biggamer86 at June 28, 2005, 4:15 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
actually the jack 10 is better then the 7-8 or 9-10 get your facts straight before you give advice, the jack 10 can get the ace high straight or the lower end of the straight with a 6 7 you could have 6 7 8 9 10 with the jack 10 the worst you could do would be like 9 queen king
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| Posted by: shortmofia11 at June 27, 2005, 7:36 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
The j 10 always gives me that shot at the royal flush that i crave everyday, or the flush or just the good old straight. Its a great hand to see all around that i always raise the minumum on.
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| Posted by: colin_147 at June 27, 2005, 9:01 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Nice post Four Dog
I also agree with MicheleW. A lot depends on position, raises etc etc. I would call max 3 x BB. I seem to have a nice habit or hitting trip jacks and love 'em!
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| Posted by: FrankieGreen at June 26, 2005, 6:06 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
I love getting 10 J suited before the flop. I love suited connecters. You have a good possability to catch every hand there is, including the straight flush.
10 J clubs i prefer lol
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| Posted by: Four Dogs at June 26, 2005, 4:02 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Why J,10s is a good starting hand? It is the best of the suited connectors for the following reasons.
When drawing for a straight, there are 28 cards in the deck that can help you.
When drawing for a flush, the jack is still high enough to be top color.
Both cards have a reasonable chance of flopping top pair. Unlike, say, 5,4.
The higher paint cards have more of a chance of hanging around after the flop with weak kickers, so when you flop top or middle pair with your J,10 your less likely to have competition, and if you do, you've got a solid kicker.
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 26, 2005, 12:55 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
I'm a blonde too. Also I just re-read my post and I sounded kinda like a jerk. I assure you it wasn't intentional, it was just late and I was dead tired, which is why we had this little exchange in the first place. Sorry about the threadjack, continue on....
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| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at June 26, 2005, 12:52 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Boy and I thought I was blond! In other words if you're playing your suited connectors and you have thought out all the possibilties(like a better player should) and bet when you should, you will come out on top in the long run. "Better players win all"
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 26, 2005, 3:41 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
You added "And better players win all." I didn't get that part. I got the part that I wrote. I had to read it a few times, but it eventually came to me. It was the addition at the end, I wasn't sure what you meant.
What exactly is your point?
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| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at June 26, 2005, 3:23 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by diabloblanco
It is true that suited connectors do play well, if you know how to play them, and when.
You don't understand what you wrote? I don't understand.
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| Posted by: bubbasbestbabe at June 26, 2005, 2:35 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by diabloblanco
Pretty cards don't win pots, good cards do and you have to play the percentages. While J-10 is a relatively high hand when refering to suited connectors, it has similar alue to all other mid suited connectors such as 8-9 and 9-10. Just because there is paint in your hole cards doesn't make them aluable. Play these hands only for +EV.
And better players win all.
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| Posted by: pdkash at June 26, 2005, 1:08 am | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
seems like to many bad things happen when i play these, If i flop the straight or flush
either i get no pay off on the bet or I get caught by the chaser (and there always seems to be one) with 4 to the flush with the ace or king. Usually ill hit 2 on the flop and end up being the chaser lol
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| Posted by: trentonlf at June 25, 2005, 10:21 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
play 10-J suited if no raise is involved and im in good position. as a matter of fact hit a royal flush playing 10-J clubs in a live tourney (was on button with no raise and flopped it)
g/l
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 25, 2005, 4:09 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Pretty cards don't win pots, good cards do and you have to play the percentages. While J-10 is a relatively high hand when refering to suited connectors, it has similar alue to all other mid suited connectors such as 8-9 and 9-10. Just because there is paint in your hole cards doesn't make them aluable. Play these hands only for +EV.
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 24, 2005, 8:12 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
In a tight style of poker, which the OP should be playing (given he is possibly a newbie?) Playing this hand is an undersireable option. The alue of the hand is increased in ery small increments the less people at the table. It is true that suited connectors do play well, if you know how to play them, and when.
Also I stated that it has almost no alue pre-flop...after the flop it may ery well draw the nuts, but the chance of it happening are small and you shouldn't be in a raised pot with this hand if you're playing a tight game.
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| Posted by: takua at June 24, 2005, 7:25 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Am I nuts, or do you have that exactly backwards. I always though that suited connectors played well in large multiway pots and poorly against few opponents. The reason is that drawing hands don't hit ery often but when they do you want to be paid off a lot to make up for all the times you don't hit.
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| Posted by: diabloblanco at June 24, 2005, 6:51 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Don't know who said that, but that is just about as Donkeyish a statement as I have ever heard. Don't listen to that crap. Suited or not (suited is better, but not by leaps and bounds) J-10, is considered a suited connector and its alue is in the same category as 7-8 suited, or 9-10 suited. It's a drawing hand that has almost no alue pre-flop when you're playing a tight style of poker at a multi-seat table. The fewer seats at the table the more its alue increases, but still, it is a small increase. Heads-up J-10 is a much better hand than at a multi-player game and its alue is then increased accordingly.
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| Posted by: MicheleW at June 24, 2005, 6:44 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
I like the 10/J too but don't play it every time. I play it if I'm in the correct position and don't have to put too many chips in to see the flop and sometimes if I have ery few players with me. There's a lot of cards that can beat me too.
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| Posted by: gjshand at June 24, 2005, 6:35 pm | | Topic: 10-J, Suited or not, as a starting hand Forum: Card Chat |
Someone here will surley be able to shed some light on this for me :
I remember hearing somewhere, on TV i think, that 10-J ( can't remember if it needs to be suited ) is considered to be one of the best starting hands in Texas-Holdem.
I think the quote was that it " .....makes the nuts 5 ways.... "
Was i dreaming or is there some truth to this?
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