| Posted by: xdmanx007 at October 29, 2005, 11:46 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Point is we don't KNOW either way... Only way to know is if a 1st world government agency starts to regulate the industry.
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| Posted by: Crippler450 at October 29, 2005, 9:19 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by woodsy44
The way i see it, why risk their millions of $$$ by rigging poker. They will still get their entry fees and rake.
Thats a perfectly alid theory, but I think you're overlooking one important thing...99% of online poker sites do NOT make 'millions of $$$'. Many of them only have a few dozen loyal players, with barely enough income to run their sub-par site. If they only have 20 players on their higher limits at one time, and they are only breaking even with their rake because of the costs of operating, they really dont have much to lose. Of course Party Poker and Poker Stars would have a TON to lose by being corrupt in their dealing, but how about that random, small, ugly looking site that is struggling to make profit? If they set up some hands so that the pot is $100 instead of $20 by giving one player AA and the other KK, it would be a substantial increase in rake.
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| Posted by: woodsy44 at October 29, 2005, 7:47 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I am not sure if it is rigged or not.
The way i see it, why risk their millions of $$$ by rigging poker. They will still get their entry fees and rake. Also, if it was rigged, someone on the inside would probably leek it.
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| Posted by: twizzybop at October 29, 2005, 7:11 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
By the way.. not my theory.. Roy Rounder.. thank him for sending me tips, info et-ctra in my e-mail box.
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| Posted by: Gizzi315 at October 29, 2005, 6:58 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I also agree with Twizzybop's theory.
I find myself taking lots more risks online than I do in live games..... I don't want my friends and poker buddies to see me calling something stupid.
And at a live table it is much easier to pick up on "vibes" that either lead me to call or fold.
Then again, maybe I am just a naive optimist an want to believe the bes about online poker the same way I do about people
In either case..... I play more for fun and entertainment than to win anything signifcant..... so I will keep playing
Gizzi
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at October 29, 2005, 6:45 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Yeah I know the old is it rigged debate show me some numbers ARGH! OK show me some numbers that prove it isn't! I do have poker tracker, of course you know this! Never used it in the rings on Stars and quite likely never will. I learned online poker playing at stars and have since moved. I think the random number generators are precisely why strange things happen. Anyways all I know is every single time I play on Stars miracles happen. Sure it is subjective about Stars being worse than other sites but I do know rare occurrences are NOT rare there!
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| Posted by: tenbob at October 29, 2005, 6:42 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I think it was 2 weeks ago at a live game KillerKats KK ran into AA and AK in a 3 way all-in ! The following week i seen AA s KK twice, and all of these in live games. My J 10 (all in) last thursday after a rag flop hit runner runner 10's to take out aces, again live.
The thing is we all tend to remember the bad beats and the unlikely occurences that happen in whats basically a game of stats and numbers. Unlikely events do occur and they occur all the time. They just tend to stick in out minds when we are on the wrong end of them.
As regards online poker being fixed ? Possible but extremly unlikely. You have to ask yourself why would it be, the online sites have everything to lose. And if they were rigging the game it would only be a matter of time before they were caught.
Over a large sample of poker hands everyone will get the same hands, luck and bad luck. Part of being a quality poker player is realising when you are beat, but its the unlikely senario that is the one we t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nateofdeath at October 29, 2005, 5:36 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Well, more responces then i expected, but ery much the responces that i expected to get (with the exception of xdman, though i agree with him too). The thing of it is, i hope you understand that I agree with all of you. Your ideas are all ery well thought out, ery logical, and ery well written, and i sincerely hope that they're correct. But what strikes me upon reading them is how desperatly we all seem that want to believe it. we have a good thing going here, and if there's anything underhanded about it, it kind of takes the fun out of it, but even if there is something dishonest going on, most of us would prefer not to know, and continue playing anyway. I am reminded of a story I once heard. There's this gambler playing at a crooked game, and someone says to him, "You know the game is fixed, right? Why do you keep playing here?" and the gambler says, "Because it's the only game in town."
i'll post my theory later if i feel up to writting more
-n
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| Posted by: vu-doo at October 29, 2005, 2:51 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Quote:
The reason there are more bad beats in ONLINE
poker is because the ery NATURE of online poker
leads people to PLAY DIFFERENTLY.
The CARDS and ODDS are the same.
It's the PLAYERS that aren't the same.
What I mean is that for online poker, a LARGE
portion of players adopt the style of
LOOSE-AGGRESSIVE.
Translation? Manic.
They act irrationally... play hands they shouldn't
play... and bet way too aggressively for most
given situations.
Why?
Because online poker isn't as "real".
The money isn't as real. I mean, heck... the
casinos give you so much "free" money when you
sign up, how COULD it feel real?
The cards aren't real. The chips aren't real. The
table isn't real. NONE OF THAT STUFF EVEN EXISTS.
All you see when you play online poker are some
silly little animations. And you hear some
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| Posted by: KillerKat at October 29, 2005, 2:46 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
twizzybop, I think your theory is fantastic, I think you hit the nail on the head. This is such a logical answer. And the first one I believe.
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| Posted by: vu-doo at October 29, 2005, 2:45 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I am not sure what the true answer is. but i have a theory.
i don't think on line poker is rigged. meaning the software favors certain hands over others. making suckouts more frequent.
but i am not so sure that the random number generator is completely random. i have seen some anomalies on line that would be extremely rare in a live game with real cards. not impossible just ery rare.
for example . i was playing in a tourney at titan the other nite.
three hands in a row my cards were JJ , AA , KK. that is not all that strange alone, but i have seen this at least three times .
that being said . cards in a live game can come in spurts too.
i was playing at the Plaza in Vegas . and i got KK twice in a row. lost both times mind you. in the same game about two hours later i got pocket kings again. that is the only time i can remember this happing to me in a live game. and i have been playing poker for many years . long before on line poker .
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| Posted by: twizzybop at October 29, 2005, 2:21 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
MORE BAD BEATS HAPPEN IN ONLINE POKER THAN IN
"REGULAR" OFFLINE POKER.
Literally, you'll see more bad beats happen in an
online poker game than you'll see at a local cash
game or in a casino.
If you play both online and offline poker, I'm
sure you agree with this statement.
So what's going on here? Why would it be this way?
There are two popular "theories"...
1. Online poker is rigged.
2. There are more hands per hour, therefore it's
an ILLUSION that there are more bad beats.
My opinion is that BOTH of these theories are
WRONG.
Here's why:
First off, I genuinely believe online poker is NOT
rigged. I mean, c'mon... Do you REALLY think these
multi-billion dollar casinos would need to RIG
hands?
They make their money from tournament entry fees
and rakes... and trust me, they're making plenty.
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| Posted by: AnnoDomino at October 29, 2005, 2:10 pm | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
instances of corruption and dishonesty bubble to the surface in every industry, profession and walk of life
to believe that the world of online gambling is as pure as the driven snow takes more faith than i have
if we enjoy it, and want to continue, what alternative is there to just taking it at face alue
anno
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| Posted by: Dorkus Malorkus at October 29, 2005, 9:52 am | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
They don't have a "few too many miraculous suckouts". Fact is, you tend not to remember things like AA holding up against KQ and doubling you up as much as you remember your AA getting sucked out on by KQ and knocking you out of a tourney.
Really, get pokertracker, get a decent sample size of hands and as long as you're playing them well the win percentages may well surprise you. I lost with QQ to two shitty hands last night, and I can't rememember the last time I won with it, but I can remember getting beat by crappy hands with QQ before. But if I look at PT, I have a nearly 70% win rate with it, so all is well.
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at October 29, 2005, 9:19 am | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I dismiss on the grounds of it always being a matter of gut feel rather than parsed numbers. If PokerStars always has more miraculous river cards, then surely someone must be able to parse 10k hands and show that the third flush card hits the river more than it should?¨
I haven't noticed anything like this myself playing at PokerStars.
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| Posted by: xdmanx007 at October 29, 2005, 6:49 am | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
I don't dismiss it at all! Most commonly you get the ole "well they have more to lose by rigging the games" So basically people that use that as their only reasoning are putting their faith in the fact that the pople running these sites are good buisness men! How the hell do we know? ummm We don't! There are some online gaming commisions but most likely if you have a dispute with a site and you live in the UK you have some legal recourse here in the states unless you fly to Costa Rica or Gibraltar you might as well just bend over. In my personal experience which is probably well over 100,000 or so hands, actually probably considerably more than that, online Pokerstars has by far been the site where I am on the recieving end of miracle draws! Party Poker it happens as well. Yes Yes with the trmendous amount of hands being dealt online you will eventually see every single possible scenario happen. Until there is a legit government body that regulates online gaming it truely is bettor beware!
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| Posted by: nateofdeath at October 29, 2005, 6:20 am | | Topic: How do you explain it? Forum: Card Chat |
Even though the idea of online poker being 'rigged' is rediculious to most players, myself included, i still hear it said (or rather see it written) in the occasional forum around here, that certain poker sites, especially pokerstars, have a few too many miraculious suck outs and river cards. my question is; How do you explain this? is it just a coincidence? if there's any responce to this, i'll write more later, but i just find it interesting how we dismiss the idea of anything dishonest going on off hand, but yet point things out that we seem to have no other explination for. Again, not saying i believe it, i don't. just wondering if anyone has any comments.
-n
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