| Posted by: killerrat at January 10, 2008, 3:34 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Anytime there is a 2-10X that means big blinds. you will even see them even higher. now take note on how much time they take to make a bet, call a bet, raise a bet, or fold. There is alot of information here. Take accurate notes and update them, for people do get better.
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| Posted by: philthy at December 22, 2007, 6:59 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Its pretty much been said before, but I'll ahead and throw in my 2 bets.
/lame joke.
-Preflop, try and find a range of hands and how much they usually bet with that range of hands. For example:
a) 22-66 = 2.5x BB raise
b) 77-JJ = 3x BB raise
c) QQ - AA = 3.5x BB raise
-On the flop, look for things like:
a) Do they/how much do they C-bet when they hit?
b) Do they C-bet when they miss?
c) How do they bet if they flop a monster [set, straight, etc]
d) How do they play if they're on a draw. Some players like to play draws aggressively, some players like to back off and play it safe.
Also, look at the hand history as well. You dont have to memorize bets as you play, you can always check the hand history. Read how much and how they bet in a particular hand. Then look at similar hands and she how they compare/dont compare.
And as stated, dont fall into a pattern. They way you player AA shouldnt be different from the way you play 22 to t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: buckster436 at December 22, 2007, 6:52 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
you never want to have the same pattern, you have to change gears often, otherwise like juicee said, you might as well tell everybody your cards,,,, buck
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| Posted by: juiceeQ at December 22, 2007, 5:47 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Jeff gives the best advice. To find a pattern, you need to take notes, and study the player over a number of hands. I myself try to mix it up, and not play exactly the same way. If you become predictable in hold 'em, you may as well broadcast your hands to the table.
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| Posted by: sgroitoy at December 22, 2007, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
if you are good at counting numbers you should be playing blackjack.good clean fassst money their..
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| Posted by: royalburrito24 at December 22, 2007, 7:46 am | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by pokernubie
What does pfr 3x mean?
To get used to some of the lingo, isit this thread.
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| Posted by: pokernubie at December 22, 2007, 7:22 am | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
[quote=jeffred1111;674970]If you are really good at remembering numbers, shouldn't you already be remembering them ?
"PFR 3x AQs b3/4 on wet board against two callers (5s7s8x)"
What does pfr 3x mean?
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| Posted by: jeffred1111 at December 19, 2007, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
If you are really good at remembering numbers, shouldn't you already be remembering them ?
Anyway, take notes on how an opponent bets a particular situation, such as
"PFR 3x AQs b3/4 on wet board against two callers (5s7s8x)"
It's the easiest way to do it. You should also remember meta-game patterns wich not only involve betting amounts, but % of tiem opp. checks/bets/raises in certain situation and write it down to if it's aluable.
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| Posted by: pokernubie at December 19, 2007, 2:05 am | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
I am really good at remembering numbers and i just want to know how to look for betting patterns. How can i find out when a person is doing it? In Texas Holdem.
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| Posted by: ChuckTs at June 17, 2006, 8:00 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
I don't think it's a bad strategy at all - I used to play exclusively like this, and still stick to it, but have found that switching it up in certain ways helps.
PF I always raise the same amount (unless say there are several limpers, then I'll raise the pot) but like Arbako said, the size of your bet may hint your opponents as to the strength of your hand.
I raise 3.5 or 4 bbs every time, so that opponents are left guessing as to whether or not it's a steal or a real hand.
though I like to mix it up in tournaments, as the people there won't be seated with you too long, so it's useless to try to bet like that.
Once in a while I'll also pull limp-raises, and mix it up a little at cash games if i feel the table is too loose, or if i have a certain read on an opponent.
I think this kind of play works well with observant players, but at the low limits and micros that most play, it's next to useless when you're playing against someone who really doesn't care about your betting patte... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Styrofoam at June 17, 2006, 7:02 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
he's saying he plays EVERYTHING the same way...EVERY HAND. Either way, this is bad. You should ary your play randomly
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| Posted by: keyztojeep at June 17, 2006, 6:55 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Betting patterns are really my crutch for online play. I have to use betting patterns for my tells. Very important to play alot of hands to get good at reading someones betting patterns.
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| Posted by: JeeDub84 at June 17, 2006, 4:02 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Your consistency of play will give you away. If you are always playing the same hands the same way then someone will catch onto to you and you are hopeless. You must mix up your game to throw people off so they dont catch onto a betting pattern. You must be as mysterious as possible to them in your play.
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| Posted by: MaximusBets at June 17, 2006, 7:11 am | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
I dont think your betting patterns affects you running into the monster hands
your startings hands....thats what affects it the most and sometimes there is nothing you can do about it...thats poker!
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| Posted by: Arbakov at June 17, 2006, 6:55 am | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Thoughts on this? I always try to be consistent in my betting patterns, whether I am bluffing, chasing a gutshot or have the nuts. I feel that this gives away as little as possible to the opposition. If I raise on a hand, I raise the same percentage (usually 4x blinds). I also try to make my call, fold or raise in about the same amount of time. Ideas? Do you think this opens me up to 'monster hand chasers', guys (and gals) waiting for the killer hand and playing tight the rest of the time?
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| Posted by: MercilessKiller at December 21, 2005, 9:56 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
There is an easy way to overcome this.
Give yourself percentages of what bet would be best in a certain situation. Do this out of a game.
So for example, if you have AA under the gun, middle of a multi table tourny. Lets say your on a stack of 20,000 and its an average table. A few fish, some tight players, and the chip leader who's aggressive on about 50k. If blinds are 500/1000 you could adopt a style of saying "In this situation, 80% of times I would raise 4 times the big blind, 15% of times I would raise 8 times the big blind, and 5% of times I would check raise (used if it is a more aggressive table etc, but looks fishy and obvious).
Anyway, thats a specific example, but then when your at the table, look at the percentages you have in your mind. Try and remember how you've played before, and play to the percentages. That way you're playing sensible and a little more unpredictable than those who don't.
I learnt this from Dan Harrington and it worked perfectl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: colin_147 at December 21, 2005, 5:13 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
This kind of play his a lot of advantages but also some severe disadvantages. To be a succesful player you will need to adapt to different styles at different times and have a different strategy to use.
For instance, at a passive table, a 4 or 5 x BB raise with a premium hand is unlikely to get any callers. However, on a aggressive table this kind of raise is likely to get 4 or 5 callers, seriously devaluing your hand
Also A LOT of thought has to be given to your position at the table. In an early position, a small raise here with an ok hand is likely to get either A) several callers or B) a reraise
So many aspects of when to raise have to be taken into consideration and the only way you will learn is by actually getting out there and playing
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| Posted by: Kraigus at December 20, 2005, 9:12 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Both ways seem good to me. Keep'em guessing. I would never show my cards though no matter what. Don't want to give them an inch.
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| Posted by: trentonlf at December 20, 2005, 7:35 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
agree somewhat. i also believe that if your are consisting with your betting you cannot get a read on what someone has by the bet. what i mean is if you always bet half the pot or raise 3x bb no matter what you have then its hard to say what you have by the bet because all your bets are the same. Also gives you leverage to make a big bet later that someone would see as a bluff and you could have the Nuts
g/l
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| Posted by: tribal_kronic at December 20, 2005, 4:50 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
One of the worst things a poker player can do is become predictable. When i'm in a live game i like to do things like bet odd amouts. for example (22, 38, 57) by betting odd amounts like this its easy keep people from putting you on a hand and makes you ery unpredictable.
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| Posted by: Kraigus at December 20, 2005, 4:07 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
Yes, I just found that out also about myself. Good advice I think changing it up a little, but I find if my initial bet is the same amount no matter what I got it makes it harder for them to know. My betting pattern may change as the turn comes down or river of course.
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| Posted by: t1riel at December 20, 2005, 3:55 pm | | Topic: Betting Patterns Forum: Card Chat |
You read in articles all the time that to pick up players' tells, pay attention to how they place their chips. While this is true some of the time, you should laos pay attention to what they are betting.
For example, Player A always bets $300 when he/she has a pair or Player A bets at least $500 when he/she is bluffing.
I recently found out that the way I bet gives away what I have because I bet usually the same amount during certain situations. So if you want to improve your game, bet different amounts and check, bet minimum, or call on situations where you would usually raise just to mix it up (this is usually applied to post flop betting and you're holding a good hand). Not all the time, sometimes you HAVE to raise to push people out of the pot when there is a sraight or flush draw.
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