| Posted by: F Paulsson at January 21, 2006, 10:23 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Well, it's quite possible that it takes one to know one - and that the reason I saw your mistake was because I have made it myself before.
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| Posted by: Beriac at January 21, 2006, 9:42 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Sweet catch F Paulsson! I'm usually less of a ditz with statistics, but I guess I'm not as used to applying it to poker yet, so I mixed my combinations and permutations. I spent awhile looking at the numbers, too, thinking that I'd done this exercise before and found that there were half that number of total possible hands, and of course that's why my numbers were off, I was using the larger number of possible hands (that double counts every hand) but not doing the same to the suits. Thanks for noticing!
On all your other points: right on.
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| Posted by: F Paulsson at January 21, 2006, 8:38 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Beriac
Personally, unless a poker site is really shifty and I really believed that it was just plain crooked, I would assume that the distribution of cards dealt is just random. You might flip a coin 6 times and find it comes up 'heads' 5 times, but it's still a random outcome.
Pocket pairs as a group are not that rare:
- When dealt 2 cards at random from a 52-card deck, there are 2,652 possible hands you could be dealt (52 * 51).
- Of those, there are 6 of each pocket pair to be dealt (heart+diamond, heart+spade, heart+club, diamond+spade, diamond+club, space+club).
- There are 13 different levels of pocket pairs to be dealt (deuces, threes, fours, etc).
- 13 * 6 = about 3%, which is the amount of the time we should expect to be dealt pocket pairs.
Sure, pocket pairs twice in a row is lucky, it's about 3% * 3% = about 0.1%. Sure, that's rare, but that means for every 1,000 times you are dealt 2 sets of hands, you should ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mjr_jojo at January 21, 2006, 6:36 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
I had pocket pairs three times in a row yester, first 88, then jj, then kk. Won all three hands with them and then never saw them again for the rest of the tourney. Good thing the first three hands built my stack up a little!
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| Posted by: buckster436 at January 21, 2006, 5:35 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by robwhufc
LOL Buck - I got 3 pocket pairs (2's 5's and 10's) in 170 hands yesterday on stars, and got 1 in 40 hands the tourney before (10's)- 4 out of 210, when 17/1 odds said i should have 12!
LOL> i just couldnt believe it,every 4th or 5th hand was a small pocket pair, and nothing to go with them on the flop, even when i folded a few times there was nothing on the flop, i couldnt get a set to save my life,LOL, but i had a good time,thats what counts.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buck
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| Posted by: ~~Shelynn~~ at January 21, 2006, 5:03 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Think it's just the name of the game win some loose some. I've got poc.A's on down and been busted big time. Might get cards for the hand before or after hands that I've played. Doesn't matter or not I'm still going to play it's a good learning session! LOL
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| Posted by: Kenzie 96 at January 21, 2006, 3:29 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by Sammyv1
I have faith too Chicubs.
Many studies have been done on these Random number generators. I've not seen one yet that show a HUGE statistical difference between live and on line play. We also play so many hands on line that it seems like there are more pocket pairs.
So you are saying that my recent lack of success has been a result of my play rather than a plot by the 4 or 5 sites I have been playing on? Naw it's got to be them.
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| Posted by: Beriac at January 21, 2006, 3:28 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Personally, unless a poker site is really shifty and I really believed that it was just plain crooked, I would assume that the distribution of cards dealt is just random. You might flip a coin 6 times and find it comes up 'heads' 5 times, but it's still a random outcome.
Pocket pairs as a group are not that rare:
- When dealt 2 cards at random from a 52-card deck, there are 2,652 possible hands you could be dealt (52 * 51).
- Of those, there are 6 of each pocket pair to be dealt (heart+diamond, heart+spade, heart+club, diamond+spade, diamond+club, space+club).
- There are 13 different levels of pocket pairs to be dealt (deuces, threes, fours, etc).
- 13 * 6 = about 3%, which is the amount of the time we should expect to be dealt pocket pairs.
Sure, pocket pairs twice in a row is lucky, it's about 3% * 3% = about 0.1%. Sure, that's rare, but that means for every 1,000 times you are dealt 2 sets of hands, you should expect to once be dealt pocket pairs twice in a row... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dinosdynasty at January 21, 2006, 2:18 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
so that's why I haven't been getting PP's on Pokerstars, you are getting them all and I have to balance the averages out. You are right though, they do seem to come in bunches, usually at the start of a sit-n-go for me when all they do is lose money or pickup the puny blinds.
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| Posted by: beardyian at January 21, 2006, 12:55 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Once in 3 hands i had KK, QQ, JJ - didnt feel there was anything wrong at the time
Not complaining now either lol
Remember there are 52 cards - 26 pairs available on each deal they are bound to appear every so often
I often get a run of 52, 72, k2, 32, - it happens wherever you play including home
IanT
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| Posted by: robwhufc at January 21, 2006, 12:31 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
LOL Buck - I got 3 pocket pairs (2's 5's and 10's) in 170 hands yesterday on stars, and got 1 in 40 hands the tourney before (10's)- 4 out of 210, when 17/1 odds said i should have 12!
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| Posted by: buckster436 at January 21, 2006, 11:10 am | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Pocket pairs Huh, Last night at out Stars buyin in the first hour i must have gotten small pocket pairs 14 or 15 times, and not once did i get a set on the flop with them, i thought it was my lucky night when you see so many pocket pairs, but last night they were useless, and they were all small, under 88`s, all they did was cost me chips,and a few times i folded them.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buck
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| Posted by: Sammyv1 at January 21, 2006, 10:03 am | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by chicubs1616
Honestly, this issue if sites are rigged has been discussed thousands of times. I have faith in the computer generators to generate random results that will fulfill their mathematically projected hand results.
I have faith too Chicubs.
Many studies have been done on these Random number generators. I've not seen one yet that show a HUGE statistical difference between live and on line play. We also play so many hands on line that it seems like there are more pocket pairs.
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| Posted by: chicubs1616 at January 21, 2006, 8:23 am | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote:
it seams like when one player gets pocket pairs there are often 3 players getting pairs the same hand
Well if this is the case, its probably you overplaying your 55 and running into someones KK
Honestly, this issue if sites are rigged has been discussed thousands of times. I have faith in the computer generators to generate random results that will fulfill their mathematically projected hand results.
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| Posted by: chicubs1616 at January 20, 2006, 3:38 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
If you get 3 pocket pairs in 5 hands, you remember it...
If you don't get a pocket pair in 40 hands, you don't really think about it too much...
It balances out on the average over hundreds of thousands of hands. You'll get a pocket pair 1:17 hands live or online.
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| Posted by: t1riel at January 20, 2006, 2:50 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
From what I expereinced, pocket pairs are given fairly and at least one pocket pair is dealt to each player at some point (if they don't get otu early). I've gotten mostly medium pair (5's 6's) at a $3 sit n go table last night. No bad beats overall and ended up getting 2nd place.
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| Posted by: Jocksrock at January 20, 2006, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
honestly mate if you are looking for a conspiracy try empire poker!..but seriously, tenbob is right..its only our imagination methinks...ive just started playing pokerstars and find it quite fair on the cards front...I think that when you play on a site for a while you start seeing combinations that are only really in ones own mind...I'm not being funny cause i sometimes think that too!
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| Posted by: robwhufc at January 20, 2006, 2:36 pm | | Topic: Pokerstars! Pocket Pairs!!!! Forum: Card Chat |
Quote: Originally Posted by slost
I have noticed on pokerstars that pocket pairs seem to come in groups much more often then in "real life" Is it just me or what?
To opponents yes, to me no
Do you mean 3 or 4 pairs on the same table, or pairs in consecutive hands?
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